Anime DVD/BD Sales in Japan: Discussion

[brocko]

+1 for the data and discussion seperation. It'd make it relatively easier and much quicker to access the information you want, not to mention it'll be like having a neatly organisd archives.

[Ithekro]

Yet everytime new data appears people will probably start discussing it there.

[ultimatemegax]

Originally Posted by Ithekro

Yet everytime new data appears people will probably start discussing it there.

Simple to solve. Keep the thread locked until new data comes out and open it for the OP to post or have a mod post the new data in it. (It's what I did, and am about to do with the "All about Haruhi 2010" thread (which should be re-named 2012 soon).)

[relentlessflame]

Well, if we do the split, my proposal would be that the only data for the "data" thread would be the big year-to-date summaries like eggplant has always done, which would be a cumulative summary of all the weekly/regular sales data. The week-to-week sales data can be posted in the discussion thread and hashed out from week to week, and will eventually make its way to the cumulative data once eggplant gets to it (as he's always done).

Anyway, will discuss it him and see if he's okay with the proposal.

[Triple_R]

Originally Posted by relentlessflame

Well, if we do the split, my proposal would be that the only data for the "data" thread would be the big year-to-date summaries like eggplant has always done, which would be a cumulative summary of all the weekly/regular sales data. The week-to-week sales data can be posted in the discussion thread and hashed out from week to week, and will eventually make its way to the cumulative data once eggplant gets to it (as he's always done).

Anyway, will discuss it him and see if he's okay with the proposal.

Great idea. That sounds ideal to me as well. Long before I started posting in this thread with some regularity, I found eggplant's yearly summaries very helpful and informative. They were great for putting a full year in perspective, and allowing for comprehensive year-by-year comparisons.

The weekly sales charts are nice, but probably better for more active, ongoing, "free-wheeling" discussion, agreed.

[Archon_Wing]

*Stares at results for Chihayafuru, Shana, etc...*

This makes me very upset.

[totoum]

Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

*Stares at results for Chihayafuru, Shana, etc...*

This makes me very upset.

Well at least chihayafuru airs in a timeslot where tv ratings matter,kaiji got itself a S2 even though it wasn't much of a dvd seller

[Last Sinner]

Originally Posted by totoum

Well at least chihayafuru airs in a timeslot where tv ratings matter,kaiji got itself a S2 even though it wasn't much of a dvd seller

Kaiji S2's purpose was to promote the live action movie. Kaiji 2 movie made $19 million (about 1.5 billion yen). The existence of the anime was thus justified.

And on those archives - would it be possible to have a small section of it contain confirmed budget figures, since there is an interest?

[Undertaker]

Really, the only way I can see a S2 in Chihayafuru right now is either that manga sale really jumps or that it gets a live action drama/movie treatment with some top idol cast.

It's rating isn't blowing up the time slot and the DVD/BD sales is on the bubble at best, the manga sale-increase is also just marginal, so things aren't looking too good so far, but, it isn't bad enough that there is no chance.

[Last Sinner]

Originally Posted by Undertaker

Really, the only way I can see a S2 in Chihayafuru right now is either that manga sale really jumps or that it gets a live action drama/movie treatment with some top idol cast.

It's rating isn't blowing up the time slot and the DVD/BD sales is on the bubble at best, the manga sale-increase is also just marginal, so things aren't looking too good so far, but, it isn't bad enough that there is no chance.

Isn't it already scheduled to do 25 episodes? Dates for eps 13 and 14 were already set a fair while back. 13 aired this week.

This is a fairly typical result for Madhouse. They have historically been a studio aiming to do what they feel is quality and not populist or mainstream, but always walk a financial tightrope as a consequence. Josei/shoujo have usually struggled in anime. This was always a risky project to take on.

[TJR]

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

Isn't it already scheduled to do 25 episodes? Dates for eps 13 and 14 were already set a fair while back. 13 aired this week.

Yes, but by definition, the second half is still part of the same season.

This is a fairly typical result for Madhouse. They have historically been a studio aiming to do what they feel is quality and not populist or mainstream, but always walk a financial tightrope as a consequence. Josei/shoujo have usually struggled in anime. This was always a risky project to take on.

It's merely contract work for NTV (their current owner and previously one of their main clients). These collaborations tend to be fairly decent, but they're by no means priorities for the studio, nor do they get a ton of love on the production side. Madhouse doesn't even invest in them, so there's no money to be made (and ideally, little to lose).

Madhouse focuses on pet projects, while everything else is filler to tide them over. With the latter, quality can be all over the map (and the lows are sometimes very low, such as Chaos;Head. That the NTV shows are adequately supported is probably more a reflection of NTV than anything else), depending on the assignment.

That said, the priorities will probably change now that NTV has acquired them. It's no coincidence that their president and key directors have all left the company.

[totoum]

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

Kaiji S2's purpose was to promote the live action movie. Kaiji 2 movie made $19 million (about 1.5 billion yen). The existence of the anime was thus justified.

Yeah that too (and hell a good portion of the airtime was dedicated to the movie)

I guess what I meant was what Undertaker said,manga sale increase and/or live action adaptation could lead to a S2 (not saying it'll happen)

[bayoab]

Originally Posted by Katapan

I think the Manabi Line has lost its original meaning (or, well, people have been using the expression without really knowing what it was originally). People now tend to assume that the Manabi Line = break-even point, which can indeed be guessed to be around 4k-5k units for your average series. As the name suggests, though, it is originally the 2,899 mark, but this precise number doesn't bear that much meaning. (Maybe it did when Manabi was released?)

The Manabi line was originally created to mock fans of the show/mock the show, like the frt (fractale). It gained the whole "break even point" psuedo-meaning later.

[Westlo]

Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

*Stares at results for Chihayafuru, Shana, etc...*

This makes me very upset.

It's not like it matters for Shana 3, at least it will get finished since it was the final season. As for Chihayafuru... well I never expected it to sell that good anyway, just be thankful it wasn't on noitaminA... that way you get 24/25 episodes instead of 11.

[relentlessflame]

Okay just an update that, per our earlier discussion in this thread, I've now moved the cumulative sales reports to their own thread. That thread is only to be used for eggplant's annual (regularly-updated) posts; all other posts and data should be posted in this thread. Hopefully that will make this valuable current and historical data easier to find for everyone.

[7Th]

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

- Idolmaster (with Gravure for You Bundle for most copies) = 23,587 (2 volumes). This one is a bit iffy - the majority of Idolmaster anime volumes were purcahsed along with the Gravure for You game. So it's hard to tell whether the game fuelled most of the sales or if they will persist without the game. Currently #27 on the list but that will likely change.

You really don't know what Gravure 4 U is, right? It's not actually a game. We don't know how much the game bundle sold. G4U is glorified DLC, ALL anime volumes come bundled with it.

[Flower]

Hmm ... a quick glance through eggplant's recent post shows Hanasaku Iroha, Madoka and Steins Gate as good sellers. No surprise there.

Other good sellers appear to have been IS, Uta no☆Prince-sama♪ Maji LOVE 1000% and esp Ano Hana.

[hyl]

Originally Posted by 7Th

You really don't know what Gravure 4 U is, right? It's not actually a game. We don't know how much the game bundle sold. G4U is glorified DLC, ALL anime volumes come bundled with it.

It's like a bonus disc for the ps3 in which it has some kind of snapshot mode where the player can take pictures of the characters in different outfits (outfits are different in every disc). So in short you can consider the g4u bundles like a regular limited edition version of an anime , because you are actually buying the dvd or blu-ray (even though most fans buy it for the g4u though)

[Undertaker]

Originally Posted by Last Sinner

Isn't it already scheduled to do 25 episodes? Dates for eps 13 and 14 were already set a fair while back. 13 aired this week.

This is a fairly typical result for Madhouse. They have historically been a studio aiming to do what they feel is quality and not populist or mainstream, but always walk a financial tightrope as a consequence. Josei/shoujo have usually struggled in anime. This was always a risky project to take on.

You misunderstood me, it is only a different season unless there is break in it. Fo example there is only 2 seasons of K-On first on being 1-cour and second one is 2-cour.

I agree on the Madhouse part. However, I disagree on the Shojo/josei anime. Nadome, Nana, Kimi ni Todoke were all husge success. Maid-sama, Ouran, Lovely Complex all achieve decent success. Even female-target LN adaption had good success in Marimite and Saiunkoku Monogatari.

Problems with Josei/Shoujo adaption of part few years is completely different issue IMO and a different topic, IMO.

[7Th]

Originally Posted by hyl

It's like a bonus disc for the ps3 in which it has some kind of snapshot mode where the player can take pictures of the characters in different outfits (outfits are different in every disc). So in short you can consider the g4u bundles like a regular limited edition version of an anime , because you are actually buying the dvd or blu-ray (even though most fans buy it for the g4u though)

Err... I know that. But nobody would buy it for G4U alone. Unless you want the anime, you won't be buying the bundle. It's not worth 90 dollars. In G4U Vol 1 you already have everything G4U has to offer. Maybe if they actually changed poses and dialogue I could see people buying the bundle for G4U alone, but they don't. Either way, your reply is irrelevant to my original post. This is what I was replying to:

>So it's hard to tell whether the game fuelled most of the sales or if they will persist without the game.

There is no Idolm@ster volume released without a G4U Bundle.