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[Inept Forum User]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

Spoiler for :

She wasn't a level 5 before but considered to be the 8th level 5. Because her ability can copy the ability of others. Its pretty flexible that she can even copy the ability of rank 3 - 6 of the level 5. Her level is 4 I think but AIM stalker makes her potentially level 5 is she copies her ability from it plus the AIM stalker also helps Rikou to know the exact location and status of the one she's copying.

About the controlling espers and letting the one who can level up faster into higher level be left alone to level up. I'm not sure for Rikou but just as I suggested maybe the drug she's taking is the cause of her growth. It either hinders it or maybe it actually helps her to level up. But one thing is for sure after it being cured. She is important for the Academy City.

Spoiler for Quite a lot of questions regarding possible spoilers:

My apologies, I didn't phrase my question well enough. Her own ability was Level 4 before - I know that already. What I meant before was this; if she had only received the positive effects (ability growth) of Body Clear and not the negative effects (requiring it for activation, damage from overuse etc), would she have reached Level 5 earlier?

Just to be absolutely certain (sorry for asking this repeatedly): is her own ability, AIM Stalker, now at Level 5, as opposed to Level 4?

Two questions regarding Rikou (again, sorry for asking too many questions):

1. Is she able to use her ability in a way other than tracking and stealing? (I read on the wiki that when she fough Kakine, she tried to make him lose control of his power)
2. Has it been said whether or not she could use multiple stolen abilities at the same time (Dual Skill)?

Two other questions on other matters:

1. Has the Queen of Tokiwadai actually had any dialogue in the series (spoken through another)?
2. Regarding this; "at the end of light novel, she confused how she thank Touma, Tsuchimikado says to her that this is the only way to pay her debt back to Touma is by wearing a fallen-angel maid costume (Erotic version). Kanzaki in state of confusion told Tsuchimikado to bring the costume and ten minutes later she enters Touma's room and then the "fallen angel accident" happened." (Kanzaki Kaori article, To Aru Wiki). Does the novel give any specific details of the "fallen angel accident" or is it a Noodle Incident?

[Used Can]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

Makes me wonder who put the seal on him if from his childhood time he already had the imagine breaker.

I've been actually wondering about Tōma's parenthood. After the whole Kamijō deal (i.e. the person above God), I've been wondering if Tōma's surname isn't a mere coincidence.

[gaboratamer]

The person that put the seal was Minato Namikaze XDXDXD

[tsunade666]

^ I was also wondering about his parents if Touya and Shiina are ordinary people. Maybe there are some secrets about them that they know or they don't know and only Aleister know. Aleister is the one who brought imagine breaker to the world but how can we be sure that touma already had an imagine breaker before?

Because vol 4 isn't translated. Some said that Touma's bad luck lead to someone getting into an accident and many people called him a plague. That plague happen in the anime but his past isn't revealed.

Isn't an accident too severe? and people starting to be wary of him just means it's really that bad. But his current situation from my view point isn't that bad. The guy got harem without wishing for it then he got himself in tough fights but he wished it for himself. The only bad luck thing would be ordinary things but all and all. He himself is only getting injured and no one yet got caught in it. It's pretty different from his past.

So what if.

Aleister is the one who give Touma imagine breaker to limit that curse or bad luck onto himself only. Then that also invites Touma to join Academy city.

Originally Posted by Inept Forum User

Spoiler for Quite a lot of questions regarding possible spoilers:

My apologies, I didn't phrase my question well enough. Her own ability was Level 4 before - I know that already. What I meant before was this; if she had only received the positive effects (ability growth) of Body Clear and not the negative effects (requiring it for activation, damage from overuse etc), would she have reached Level 5 earlier?

Just to be absolutely certain (sorry for asking this repeatedly): is her own ability, AIM Stalker, now at Level 5, as opposed to Level 4?

Two questions regarding Rikou (again, sorry for asking too many questions):

1. Is she able to use her ability in a way other than tracking and stealing? (I read on the wiki that when she fough Kakine, she tried to make him lose control of his power)
2. Has it been said whether or not she could use multiple stolen abilities at the same time (Dual Skill)?

Two other questions on other matters:

1. Has the Queen of Tokiwadai actually had any dialogue in the series (spoken through another)?
2. Regarding this; "at the end of light novel, she confused how she thank Touma, Tsuchimikado says to her that this is the only way to pay her debt back to Touma is by wearing a fallen-angel maid costume (Erotic version). Kanzaki in state of confusion told Tsuchimikado to bring the costume and ten minutes later she enters Touma's room and then the "fallen angel accident" happened." (Kanzaki Kaori article, To Aru Wiki). Does the novel give any specific details of the "fallen angel accident" or is it a Noodle Incident?

WoW long one.

you shouldn't probably use too much spoiler tag for asking.... well it's for safety anyway but the novel thread of toaruverse is a spoiler all the time thread and we all spoil each other so their is no need to put spoiler tag unless the news is fairly new and not all yet know about it.

now back to the question.

first batch

1) her ability. I don't understand it much because vol 15 isn't translated and I can only read a partial translation and that's not a good source but if I summarize it all. It can be consider a type of hacking if you ask me.

hacking a computer. Your intentions are illegal intrusions and you can do much what you can depending on your skills. You can copy the files or even messed up with the files. Then again you can left a worm or a trojan to track on the computer.

Now back on to Rikou. Her ability AIM stalker. Memorize the AIM patters of the enemies AIM field. But copying it she can do the same ability as the one she copies. Then again she can probably messed up with the AIM field too if she is strong but she is only level 4 even if she can become a level 5 by copying an ability of a level 5. That doesn't change her initial limit. It's like getting your self an advance spec of hard drive for your cpu despite that your processor is just pentium 4 and the hard drive your using needs at least core 2 duo to run perfectly.

Usable but not perfectly compatible.

2) no it's not been said yet if she can copy two abilities at one. Or maybe she can but I don't know.

She's pretty dependent of the drug that she can't use it unless she use the drug. And I'm not even clear on what's the use of that drug. I heard it enhance her ability but had a side effects.

And concerning that the academy city takes a liken to her and brings her back it makes me think that the drug might be actually speeding up her level up but slowly destroying her body. Like an experiment but a failure one if the subject is getting destroyed. But it's academy city it's likely impossible for Aleister to let that happen. So maybe he plans it to unfold like this. So he might hate Shiage but Shiage is also helping in a way for Rikou to get cure. OR maybe the academy city can cure Rikou but they are just waiting for her as a back up plan or spare plan like Kakine. She's called the 8th level 5. That alone is important. Maybe the drug is use as a security that Rikou wouldn't run away. But Shiage took her away so Aleister is angry with that guy.

pheww too long

2nd batch

1) the queen never show her self that's why I called her hikikomori.

she uses her underling to do the talking. She's been mentioned around but not been seen yet so she's a mysterious. Just like use sitting in front of our computer. Maybe she's just inside Tokiwadai and monitoring around. She can use her ability to spy on other people from their minds.

2) I don't understand much what this is about but I can understand that Kaori in Maid fallen angel cosplay is to die for.

I think it did happen in vol 16 after Touma save her again and the amakusa. It's just that Tsuchimikado is playing around with neechin again and corner her mentally to the point she agree

good job tsuchimikado

[Inept Forum User]

I see. Thank you for your answers, Tsunade666, and sorry for bombarding you with loads of questions.

Originally Posted by tsunade666

1) the queen never show her self that's why I called her hikikomori.

(Strange/Amusing Thought: The Queen turning out to be Komori Kiri)

[cubicjack]

Originally Posted by Inept Forum User

Spoiler for Quite a lot of questions regarding possible spoilers:

My apologies, I didn't phrase my question well enough. Her own ability was Level 4 before - I know that already. What I meant before was this; if she had only received the positive effects (ability growth) of Body Clear and not the negative effects (requiring it for activation, damage from overuse etc), would she have reached Level 5 earlier?

Just to be absolutely certain (sorry for asking this repeatedly): is her own ability, AIM Stalker, now at Level 5, as opposed to Level 4?

Two questions regarding Rikou (again, sorry for asking too many questions):

1. Is she able to use her ability in a way other than tracking and stealing? (I read on the wiki that when she fough Kakine, she tried to make him lose control of his power)
2. Has it been said whether or not she could use multiple stolen abilities at the same time (Dual Skill)?

Two other questions on other matters:

1. Has the Queen of Tokiwadai actually had any dialogue in the series (spoken through another)?
2. Regarding this; "at the end of light novel, she confused how she thank Touma, Tsuchimikado says to her that this is the only way to pay her debt back to Touma is by wearing a fallen-angel maid costume (Erotic version). Kanzaki in state of confusion told Tsuchimikado to bring the costume and ten minutes later she enters Touma's room and then the "fallen angel accident" happened." (Kanzaki Kaori article, To Aru Wiki). Does the novel give any specific details of the "fallen angel accident" or is it a Noodle Incident?

Well, to begin with, the reason why Rikou isn't a Level 5 already isn't because of the side effects of the drug. They did a simulation using the Tree Diagram and found a way to advance her to Level 5 that has nothing to do with the drug. However, they were not able to achieve those conditions in real life, so they did simulations of her using the drug to see if the same result could be achieved. The simulation showed that it's not possible, but they still gave her the drug anyway.

Needless to say, the drug didn't bring her to Level 5. However, her relationships with Shiage & co., and her experience in the war provided enough stimulation and paved the way to reaching Level 5.

As for her ability, it was mentioned that once she reaches Level 5, by using AIM Fields as a medium, she could interfere and control other people's Personal Reality. This means that she could raise/lower people's levels, completely take away people's powers, grant abilities to other people, switch people's abilities, and possibly even create a true Dual Skill. She can even create a specific ability and set it at a specific level. Even Accelerator can become powerless in front of her. In other words, she alone can do what the whole AC has been doing all along.

I don't think it was mentioned what she could do beside AIM stalking and interfering with other people's AIM Field at Level 4. However, during the Dark Matter Squad attack, when Mugino was weak and can't aim properly, Rikou assisted her in aiming. The lady superior explained that Rikou's ability interfered with Mugino's Personal Reality and kind of forcefully corrected her aim.

I don't remember if it was stated that she could copy and use other people's abilities, though. They mentioned nothing about her being able to copy and use other abilities in this volume, and I don't remember if it was mentioned in vol. 15.

[Ice Block]

I just want to point out that it is entirely possible that there is more than one God figure in the Indexverse. After all, Crowley did tell Fiamma that Christianity is outdated and is incompatible with the pursuit for the position of La Persona Superior a Dio. That, and the fact that we have Shinto, Aztec, Norse, and Thelemic (Crowley's) mythologies/beliefs incorporated in the story aside from all the Christian sects. Finally, we also have Telesma vs AIM, and probably Ollerus' unexplainable power.

EDIT: Volume 22 HQ illustrations are already up on BT.

[Inept Forum User]

Originally Posted by cubicjack

As for her ability, it was mentioned that once she reaches Level 5, by using AIM Fields as a medium, she could interfere and control other people's Personal Reality. This means that she could raise/lower people's levels, completely take away people's powers, grant abilities to other people, switch people's abilities, and possibly even create a true Dual Skill. She can even create a specific ability and set it at a specific level. Even Accelerator can become powerless in front of her. In other words, she alone can do what the whole AC has been doing all along.

I don't think it was mentioned what she could do beside AIM stalking and interfering with other people's AIM Field at Level 4. However, during the Dark Matter Squad attack, when Mugino was weak and can't aim properly, Rikou assisted her in aiming. The lady superior explained that Rikou's ability interfered with Mugino's Personal Reality and kind of forcefully corrected her aim.

If this is truly the case, perhaps the Level 5 version should be called AIM Programmer.

[Suzuku]

Originally Posted by cubicjack

Well, to begin with, the reason why Rikou isn't a Level 5 already isn't because of the side effects of the drug. They did a simulation using the Tree Diagram and found a way to advance her to Level 5 that has nothing to do with the drug. However, they were not able to achieve those conditions in real life, so they did simulations of her using the drug to see if the same result could be achieved. The simulation showed that it's not possible, but they still gave her the drug anyway.

Needless to say, the drug didn't bring her to Level 5. However, her relationships with Shiage & co., and her experience in the war provided enough stimulation and paved the way to reaching Level 5.

As for her ability, it was mentioned that once she reaches Level 5, by using AIM Fields as a medium, she could interfere and control other people's Personal Reality. This means that she could raise/lower people's levels, completely take away people's powers, grant abilities to other people, switch people's abilities, and possibly even create a true Dual Skill. She can even create a specific ability and set it at a specific level. Even Accelerator can become powerless in front of her. In other words, she alone can do what the whole AC has been doing all along.

I don't think it was mentioned what she could do beside AIM stalking and interfering with other people's AIM Field at Level 4. However, during the Dark Matter Squad attack, when Mugino was weak and can't aim properly, Rikou assisted her in aiming. The lady superior explained that Rikou's ability interfered with Mugino's Personal Reality and kind of forcefully corrected her aim.

I don't remember if it was stated that she could copy and use other people's abilities, though. They mentioned nothing about her being able to copy and use other abilities in this volume, and I don't remember if it was mentioned in vol. 15.

Wouldn't that make Rikou something like a mini-god on the Science side then? If she can strip people's powers away as she chooses and even give new powers to other people, that sounds like something only a god could do. I wonder if there's any meaning to that?

[addiC]

rolf, rikou become so hax..

[tsunade666]

Originally Posted by cubicjack

As for her ability, it was mentioned that once she reaches Level 5, by using AIM Fields as a medium, she could interfere and control other people's Personal Reality. This means that she could raise/lower people's levels, completely take away people's powers, grant abilities to other people, switch people's abilities, and possibly even create a true Dual Skill. She can even create a specific ability and set it at a specific level. Even Accelerator can become powerless in front of her. In other words, she alone can do what the whole AC has been doing all along.

I don't remember if it was stated that she could copy and use other people's abilities, though. They mentioned nothing about her being able to copy and use other abilities in this volume, and I don't remember if it was mentioned in vol. 15.

So is she can copy it or not? I thought that once she analyze the ability she can also use it but guess not.

But for her after reaching level 5. It's more like she turn into god mode for the esper community.

good thing accelerator is now angelerator.

[Ashaman]

Originally Posted by Ice Block

EDIT: Volume 22 HQ illustrations are already up on BT.

Ooh, theres a least one new picture, (at least for me),

Spoiler for pic:

Touma vs the angel.

, you can tell he'd had his arm chopped off there, can't you?

The sleeve is completely gone.

Yep, Rokou just ascended to the hax level. Only for the Science side though. The only ESPers I rekcon her ability wont work (fully) on at the moment is Accel and possiblyFully awakened Kakine, (but you know what condition he is in right now)

[yuiichi9]

Originally Posted by Phibrizzo

Both are pettako also, now if Oriana did a "Do you want to have some fun boy with this Onechan", that would be the end of Touma as we know him.

Why would be the end of the touma we known? I wish he end up with her. Despite her attack on AC she is a good person. He could have much fun with her. If he doesn't end up with her then he could end up with kaori.

[cubicjack]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

So is she can copy it or not? I thought that once she analyze the ability she can also use it but guess not. .

Like I said, I'm not quite sure about that. I don't remember that being mentioned (although I could be wrong), but I don't see why not. I mean, she can probably somehow use her own power to modify her own Personal Reality, although I'm not quite sure how that would work.

[sasuke706]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

So is she can copy it or not? I thought that once she analyze the ability she can also use it but guess not.

This page doesn't seem to mention anything other than interference and tracking. She might be able to literally turn her opponent's ability on its user, though. Unless she has some hand-to-hand combat skills, interfering with their abilities would probably just end in a stalemate otherwise.

Originally Posted by yuiichi9

Here is vol. 22

I think this board has something against posting download links; you may want to remove it.

[Suzuku]

^ That's only if the series is licensed I believe. The light novels of Index aren't licensed.

[Miraluka]

Originally Posted by shmaster

About Touma's right arm, this is what happened:

Spoiler:

After Fianma cut off Touma's arm, a huge amount of unknown power begin to gather at Touma's open wound. That power is so great even Fianma's Holy Right cannot compare to it. But, Touma erase that power.
As if speaking to himself Touma said: "You" "I don't know who are 'you'" "I don't know what 'you' are trying to do" "But" "...shut up and I'll take care of him myself!!"
Then Touma grows a new arm himself and sucks the power of IB back from Fianma

Conclusion, there is something else that exists in Touma's body, IB is the power to suppress that something else. As for the right arm itself, it is like an vessel to give IB a form so it can be used.

Also, Fianma only needs the right hand to give his Holy Right a physical form, the power that is IB is useless to him.

Interesting, btw, can you clear details about Laura? It seems you are not amused with her doings this volume .

Originally Posted by pampz21

ow...so his true power isn't IB but some thing inside him?
conclusion:
The dragon inside Touma is a different entity....maybe his esper powers? or a deity or even a god?
IB is limiter that surpresses that entity inside him?

If he is La persona superiore a Dio, well then he means to supress an entity equal to God... like Lucifer for example or a total new deity who wants to start a new era above Aeon of Horus.

[Zaresh]

Just random speculation.

I can't recall where I read this, maybe vol. 7? But it's said that, in toaruverese, Michael confined Lucifer with his right arm, was't it? The IB is some sort of power related to him, or so I think I've read. So... it is possible to be Lucifer who is in his right arm.

But the thing is that to be like I've said, I can't ignore the fact that the owner of this evil and powerfull arm should be Michael Himself and not some random human.

Besides, I've never understood the whole why Gabriel pretended to be Michael in the fallen angel incident.

Well, maybe I'm overpowering poor Touma, but, still...

Ah, I wish so bad to read all these books... Even those which are not written yet xD.

[Suzuku]

Translation of a part in vol 22, when Touma gets his arm cut off and regenerates it.

Spoiler for Vol 22 Touma vs. Fiamma translation:

As though,

as though it was repulsed by an invisible right arm stretching from the boy's shoulder - !!

"Wh, what...?"

Fiamma murmured, still unable to grasp the truth.

Not even he himself could hold back the words that now came flowing out by themselves, swelling up like some many snowballs tumbling down a hilly road.

"Your right arm's already been taken.... so how can you still have this 'power'?!"

There wasn't even a reply.

The boy simply hung his head, his cheeks drenched in his own blood.

On the other side of the wound, where the right arm shouldn't exist,

with a crunching, crackling sound, an invisible power gathered.

(...)

Fiamma, moving only his eyes, looked at the thing growing out from his right shoulder.

He is certain that he had taken the boy's right arm. 'Imagine Breaker', the unique power to negate any and all supernatural powers, was still remaining in this arm that had changed flesh and blood.

If so,

then what was this power which was gathering at the enemy before his eyes?

(Something...)

Fiamma felt his crackling lips quickly drying. He had finally obtained the right arm, 'Imagine Breaker'; the mysterious right arm for which he had set the table for with a flourish, the last key which he grasped after everything had been prepared. With the power of Fiamma of the Right, and the 'boy's arm' dissected and restructured as a spirit weapon, the whole world can be saved. Even though he had acquired something so valuable...

It was an underestimation.

His eyes had been clouded.

The threat he now felt from the enormous swirl of power compressed at the shoulder of the boy before him made all that Fiamma possessed pale in comparison.

(There's...)

Fiamma of the Right looked again at the face of the boy.

The hanging face, the expression that he can't see.

He hadn't thought that 'Imagine Breaker' was the only power his body possessed. He hadn't thought that something as simple as 'the power to negate all supernatural powers' was something that he needed to be on guard against, something that would cause his heart to shake. Even now, his skin felt electrified, giving him a false sense of pain. As though watching fireworks being launched very close by, the impacts that echoed in the pits of his stomach approached like a transparent wall.

(...'something' there!!)

"-"

The boy, Kamijou Touma, slowly lifted his face.

There was no exaggeration. No sharp movement. It was not an action special or formulaic.

He simply lifted his face.

It was that simple.

Fiamma of the Right realised that the muscles stretching from his nape to his shoulder had become stiff.

It's coming.

He didn't know what 'it' was, but it was something that he needed to be on guard against.

And then,

with a sound like an explosion,

Kamijou Touma crushed the 'invisible something' with his own strength.

Kamijou had stood there, the enormous power collected at his shoulder having been swallowed by an even greater power, like the opening of a giant mouth. Like something was being digested. The air around his shoulder wavered like sugary water.

That much power,

and in a single instant,

it was smashed to pieces.

"...'you', huh..."

A whisper.

Kamijou's lips were moving.

"I don't know who you are or where you from,"

It wasn't a big speech.

Despite that, it pierced into the deepest part of Fiamma's ears. An irrepressible warning came from his heart - even missing the slighest movements of his fingers, his eyes, would have grave consequences for their battle.

"I don't even know what you're trying to do,"

Kamijou wasn't looking at Fiamma of the Right, the strongest of 'God's Right Seat'.

Fiamma didn't even know 'what' he was talking to.

"But,"

Perhaps it was something only understood by Kamijou Touma himself.

But this is what he declared.

"...You just shut the hell up. I'll take care of this."

[outerelf]

Originally Posted by Suzuku

Translation of a part in vol 22, when Touma gets his arm cut off and regenerates it.

Spoiler for Vol 22 Touma vs. Fiamma translation:

As though,

as though it was repulsed by an invisible right arm stretching from the boy's shoulder - !!

"Wh, what...?"

Fiamma murmured, still unable to grasp the truth.

Not even he himself could hold back the words that now came flowing out by themselves, swelling up like some many snowballs tumbling down a hilly road.

"Your right arm's already been taken.... so how can you still have this 'power'?!"

There wasn't even a reply.

The boy simply hung his head, his cheeks drenched in his own blood.

On the other side of the wound, where the right arm shouldn't exist,

with a crunching, crackling sound, an invisible power gathered.

(...)

Fiamma, moving only his eyes, looked at the thing growing out from his right shoulder.

He is certain that he had taken the boy's right arm. 'Imagine Breaker', the unique power to negate any and all supernatural powers, was still remaining in this arm that had changed flesh and blood.

If so,

then what was this power which was gathering at the enemy before his eyes?

(Something...)

Fiamma felt his crackling lips quickly drying. He had finally obtained the right arm, 'Imagine Breaker'; the mysterious right arm for which he had set the table for with a flourish, the last key which he grasped after everything had been prepared. With the power of Fiamma of the Right, and the 'boy's arm' dissected and restructured as a spirit weapon, the whole world can be saved. Even though he had acquired something so valuable...

It was an underestimation.

His eyes had been clouded.

The threat he now felt from the enormous swirl of power compressed at the shoulder of the boy before him made all that Fiamma possessed pale in comparison.

(There's...)

Fiamma of the Right looked again at the face of the boy.

The hanging face, the expression that he can't see.

He hadn't thought that 'Imagine Breaker' was the only power his body possessed. He hadn't thought that something as simple as 'the power to negate all supernatural powers' was something that he needed to be on guard against, something that would cause his heart to shake. Even now, his skin felt electrified, giving him a false sense of pain. As though watching fireworks being launched very close by, the impacts that echoed in the pits of his stomach approached like a transparent wall.

(...'something' there!!)

"-"

The boy, Kamijou Touma, slowly lifted his face.

There was no exaggeration. No sharp movement. It was not an action special or formulaic.

He simply lifted his face.

It was that simple.

Fiamma of the Right realised that the muscles stretching from his nape to his shoulder had become stiff.

It's coming.

He didn't know what 'it' was, but it was something that he needed to be on guard against.

And then,

with a sound like an explosion,

Kamijou Touma crushed the 'invisible something' with his own strength.

Kamijou had stood there, the enormous power collected at his shoulder having been swallowed by an even greater power, like the opening of a giant mouth. Like something was being digested. The air around his shoulder wavered like sugary water.

That much power,

and in a single instant,

it was smashed to pieces.

"...'you', huh..."

A whisper.

Kamijou's lips were moving.

"I don't know who you are or where you from,"

It wasn't a big speech.

Despite that, it pierced into the deepest part of Fiamma's ears. An irrepressible warning came from his heart - even missing the slighest movements of his fingers, his eyes, would have grave consequences for their battle.

"I don't even know what you're trying to do,"

Kamijou wasn't looking at Fiamma of the Right, the strongest of 'God's Right Seat'.

Fiamma didn't even know 'what' he was talking to.

"But,"

Perhaps it was something only understood by Kamijou Touma himself.

But this is what he declared.

"...You just shut the hell up. I'll take care of this."

... *SQUEAL* So that's how it happened! Thank you so much for translating this! It's so squeal worthy! Now that clarifies a lot of things.