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Perfect 10 | 93 | 45.81% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 58 | 28.57% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 36 | 17.73% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 12 | 5.91% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 0.49% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.49% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 2 | 0.99% | |
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2010-05-05, 06:18 | Link #362 | |
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To be honest, I have no clue. She could be an angel or the realm could be something else entirely. However that's speculation and that is separate in of itself. Maybe not so much a philosophical debate but somebody trying to think things through and find common links like how did they all die or what religion was everybody before they died. Something to show that they're trying to figure out what their existence means or why this is all happening. |
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2010-05-05, 11:36 | Link #365 | |
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2.Have always been critical of the SSS actions so NO its not out the ordinary. Until its proven that what they are doing is not futile and at best just playing militia i will continue to play devils advocate.
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2010-05-05, 11:38 | Link #366 |
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Well Yuri complained that she expect Tenshi's room to be bigger with a nicer bedsheets, and Hinata wondered why it's just like room in boy dorm but neater.
No one knows how an Angel live anyway. They don't even know if an Angel need a private place like a room. If that's how her room looks like, then that's how an Angel live. She may as well sleep on the rooftop and it would only be strange because the School President does not have a place to store her paperwork. But if we have one more self-claimed "Angel" and this guy lives in something like a palace. Then i bet everyone from the SSS will say he's a fake
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2010-05-05, 11:42 | Link #367 | |
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2010-05-05, 11:42 | Link #368 | |
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2010-05-05, 11:49 | Link #369 | |
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Therefore, you can discard the usual expectation that an angel is something that doesn't need anything for daily basis. The fact they don't literally take her as a "angel" is another point to consider as well.
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2010-05-05, 12:04 | Link #370 | |
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2010-05-05, 12:07 | Link #371 | |
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2010-05-05, 12:19 | Link #372 |
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Oh i hadn't considered that watched on Syfy almost a year ago. Thats a pretty good example.
If anyone has not seen Riverworld heres a quick synop http://www.syfy.com/riverworld/
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2010-05-05, 13:09 | Link #373 |
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Being the Touhou fan that I am, the first thing that popped into my head when seeing this world was "Huh, just like the netherworld then."
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2010-05-05, 14:26 | Link #374 | |
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Yes they are literally taking her to be angel, a person who has some direct link to God or whoever is controlling this world. That was the whole deal with Yurripe thinking Kaname got her powers from from God. @New/Old Yes Otonashi is the only one who is actually noting and taking into account these things without any particular bias. I can't remember the literary term but it's the usual "new guy notes problems with a continuing strategy". |
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2010-05-05, 14:39 | Link #375 | |
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So yes, they do discard the usual expectations of an angel needing food, just as they discarded the usual idea of heaven and clouds when they woke up in the afterlife. Heck, Yuri at first didn't even take her to be an angel, just someone with powers that might be a link to god. |
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2010-05-05, 16:25 | Link #376 | |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christi...elic_hierarchy It's a little hard to imagine any of these guys having to take a dump or even having a regular dorm room. Also supposedly angels don't sleep or eat as they are technically spiritual beings(it's literally supposed to be in the Bible somewhere but I'm having problems finding the exact quote). So Kaname if she is an angel definitely doesn't fit the traditional definition. Edit: Here is a better article with some direct quotes describing angels. http://christianity.about.com/od/wha...elsbible_2.htm |
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2010-05-05, 16:31 | Link #377 |
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You are still missing the point: why do people have to focalize on the mass media brand definition of a term? It isn't like you have to stick with the purest definition of a term to label something.
Heck, there are figures of speech and whatnot. Furthermore, you are asking something too much from a setup regarding -japanese- high schoolers... you know, the very same ethnic group that can picture americans like bunch of blonde muscle yankee, as much as some americans can only picture asians as computer nerds. I'm using an exaggerated example, but things cannot be taken as their fullest definition, when it is all about what people consider with it. Remember that Angel is a notion that belongs to the western public. By no mean asian culture has a "deep" concept remotely similar to usual christian (or whatever other religion) use for them. Heck, it is often trivialized as "agent of god", nothing more. And you are starting to be extremely picky for nothing: the setup shows bunch of dead people stuck in a high school environnement, with a nonsensical need to fulfill a high school life until they ascend. They even eat and sleep... so let me ask you something: why would they get surprised that a spiritual being would fulfill the same kind of little fancy need, while they are plain souls that should "theorically" need no food or rest? If the said entity has to monitor stuff there, would it be a bit more "logical" that the said entity doesn't stand out, unless necessary? (I mean, when kanade isn't taking action with Guard Skills, she could act like any student, in order not to stand out, albeit very discreete and... "mute"). And for the last time: they believed that Kanade had a tie with God, and the usual "entity" that has such tie is an angel, that doesn't mean they considered Kanade literally as an Angel. Seriously, the whole discussion is meaningless and could pretty well never emerge if say... they decided to call Kanade "kitsune" instead of "tenshi" (you know, the "little" fox under Inari's commands): the concept would be the "same" (yes i'm overgeneralizing, please bear with me), but funnily enough, the discussion here would totally not kick off.
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2010-05-05, 16:43 | Link #378 | |
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The main reason I brought up the traditional definition is because I'm trying to establish what would be common sense for the characters and what would be natural assumptions as well as conclusions. Would a person who entered Tenshi's room or watched her on a daily basis be surprised at how human she behaves? Especially over an extremely long time period? Would a person who is a spiritual being (and know they are) not act surprised over the need of sleep and food? You're also assuming that they're in heaven or some supernatural dimension. It's still quite possible that this could turn out to be something else completely. They are assuming that she got her powers directly or indirectly from God,so they would be assuming she's an Angel(most likely a warrior angel at that) whether they used the term or not. |
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Again, if you ask "what" is an angel for asians, they would generally picture them as "agent of god, generally with wings and guiding/keeping order among the souls in the realm of god", something along the lines. It isn't like you can expect adults to have the complete definition of a concept used in a foreign culture, let alone -kids-. I might overgeneralize a bit here, but so far, I rarely saw anything remotely "fitting" to the true definition/description in our culture. Quote:
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De facto, the whole concept doesn't hold the water since people do remember of their death, so they obviously know right from the get go it is a fake world... so what's the purpose of such world? To "plug them in", when they are obviously not conditionned as if they were still alive? And it doesn't make sense for people behind such scheme to possibly chase after brain dead people who have regrets only (quite convenient to boot). The only other possibility is a dream, and I certainly can't swallow the idea that someone would have an imagination of such magnitude to include people's background and so forth.
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