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I don't know if Macross Frontier is in the same boat (it probably isn't since Victor Entertainment produced the music for Macross Plus and a lot of other shows as well), but that snippet of Fire Bomber that we heard in episode 2 might be a problem in the future. Quote:
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no, i said i have always preferred to buy the macross (bandai/yamato) toys and figures rather than the robotech ones (toynami/revell/matchbox) because the robotech ones are made a lot cheaper (and that's being nice). there is also a lot more to buy (if you can find them). the robotech toy collection sucks big time.
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It is true, that HG steered away quite a bit from 'Macross' for quite a bit now, and Shadow Chronicles may be an indication of that. Although they did license the word 'MACROSS' in the United States and have yet to give it up. Therefore, yes, they are still claiming some sort of ownership. Although I am uncertain how the rights is transferred to Warner Bros, it is essentially just as baseless as HG's claim to it. That is, despite Warner Bros' potential in funding a prolonged lawsuit. The Japanese studios aren't exactly small fries, either. But I guess we will have to wait and see. - Tak |
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SF militaries can get extrodanarily creative with rank structures. Stargate SG1 has a General commanding a starship squadron [since he's Air Force.]. The Serano Legacy has abolished Captain as a Naval Rank [replaced with Major] rather than post. Starship Troopers has command of a regiment in battle and seperate command of a capital ship in battle as the prerequisites for the rank of Sky Marshall [One of Johnny's classmates at OCS has done one and is studying for a prerequiste rank for the other.] Both Battlestar Galacticas have Colonels as capital warship XOs who are junior to Commanders who are junior to Admirals. In Robotech REF and SC Generals command Capship squadrons. There are implications they hold this rank due to having commanded veritech wings in the past [For which the REF command rank is Colonel as in Wolfe,Edwards and Stirling.] REF General Gunther Reinhardt is an example at Reflex Point. SC General Emmerson was an earlier example. In this case it may be as simple as the REF having both Army and Navy ranks to a certain level to distinguish specilisations and then just Admirals above that. Possibly since all the commanders of the RDF were Admirals. Look a bit further down for some of the reasons it wasn't a simple promotion. Quote:
By 2030, He and Lisa have helped lead a multispecies War against the Regent [and later Edwards] as part of the Sentinels. Since thier main strike force were Veritechs and similar Rick took a greater role in planning the various planetary invasions than Lisa and Lisa took a more diplomatic role [Getting the various Races to work together and training in the traditional Praxian martial arts.] By the jump off point for Mars Division, the Plenepotentiry Council has 4 senior officers to choose from [Max and Miryia having retired to raise ever stranger children, Wolfe having returned to Earth and Edwards having died]. All four were involved in the Sentinels. Vince Grant. Engineer. Commanded the GMU. Lisa Hunter. Capship Commander. Went native on Praxis. May like Miriya suffer from mental side effects caused by the Garudan atmosphere. Suffered the crippling or lose of her first two ship commands in thier first battles [SDF-2 lost, SDF-3 Crippled]. Has not won a capital ship engagement since 2012. Rick Hunter. Fighter wing commander. Planned and lead the invasion of multiple Invid held planets. Breetai. Has had more conflicts with the Plenepotentiry Council than the other three put together. Not a member of the REF since Edwards tried to enslave him. Which would you choose? Rick has more relevant experience than Vince [or Reinhardt, who sat out the Sentinels war on the SDF-3] and unlike Breetai and Lisa isn't technically an alien [Breetai being Zentradi and Lisa having become adopted as a Praxian] Quote:
Your arguements are like complaining that Nova Wildstar can't be Captain of the Andromeda II based on Yuki having died when Yamato rammed the Black Dreadnought. Robotech =/= Macross the same as New Battlestar Galactica =/= Old Battlestar Galactica. Its a different Universe the same as the three seperate ones that make up Macross. Complaining that Macek's version welds three seperate series together [when that was the point, none of them being long enough to sell seperately] when that is the point of what he was doing and additional footage was produce to help do just that seems to miss the point. Harmony Gold couldn't sell Macross [after more than a year of trying] because it wasn't long enough to provide a full episode a day season. Such was the American TV market in the mid 80's. So they did something with the rights they had which would sell. They didn't actually have to change that much between SDFMacross / SDC Southern Cross and Genesis Climber Mospaeda to get to Robotech. Many of the changes are modification for a younger age group [Which would have happend to a Macross translation by HG in that period.] rather than plot and the core themes come across unchanged. [Baring Minmei's atrocious singing in Robotech.] I'm not seeing the shabby compared with Battle of the Planets and if you truly want a shabby hack job to complain about try Johnny Destiny: Space Ninja. Disputes over what rights HG might have over Macross didn't start until after Robotech II had been killed by the US Dollar collapsing against the Yen and the Sentinel Novels had been written. This is backstory thats been around for twenty years now. The Legal Tangles are something seperate from the show. They didn't stop me watching any of the various bits of Macross and enjoying them any more than Yoshinobu Nishizaki and Leiji Matsumoto's legal fraca stopped me enjoying Yamato. Slightly less in fact since the latter seems to have killed both Diyamato Zero and Yamato 2520 rather than providing two different series to watch. As for what deal Big West and Tatsunoko did with Harmony Gold and each other both in the 80s and after this decades litigation and thus what rights to what material each have. No one outside the companies knows the full story and it is possible that even they don't know. I was under the impression there are no lawsuits outstanding. Big West and Tatsunoko have settled thier differences over who can do what with Macross and Harmony Gold can do what they wish with Robotech. |
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Too bad in the Robotech universe, the world still discriminate against Zentradis, even though the latter would have technically OUTNUMBERED humans by a million to one! And the Robotech universe never indicated OTHERWISE! The fact is, these so-called materials were published AFTER 'Robotech' had achieved unexpected success, and HG went on to hastily capitalize it by attempting to produce 'relevant' materials, although they were anything but 'relevant'. As glyph mentioned earlier, HG didn't even realize what they were doing until well into the middle of the show. If HG didn't want anyone to pick on plot-holes, then don't leave holes that big! It left obvious answers to questions unanswered, and relied on horrible writing and bad capitalist practice to ruin the rest. Quote:
If they wanted Robotech to truly stand out as a separate universe, perhaps they should have considered ORIGINAL WORK to begin with. Like Stealth (the movie), which its director admitted to influence from Macross PLUS (and Yukikaze), but despite influences was an original piece of work nonetheless. Quote:
You know, in just about every single one of my posts in this thread, I have pretty much indicated that my primary problem with HG is the fact that they are holding onto the Macross license and barring any related materials from coming in. What they do with Robotech is their problem, but don't let that interfere with Macross. Due to HG's insistence (out of greed, obviously), we are unable to see the likes of Macross 7 or Macross Zero being officially released in the states, including associated merchandise. And that, to me, is an affront to my sensitivities. - Tak |
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Tak, you have to realize that of Harmony Gold's continuance of the Robotech story effectively makes it a very different animal from the Macross universe.
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As to the basis of the movie license, it's largely due to what kind of rights were granted to Harmony Gold to begin with. My understanding is that it was a sweeping set of rights, and that they were given free reign to create other media based on it - hence the Sentinels, the Robotech Battlecry game, and the Shadow Chronicles. If that's the case, there's no reason they wouldn't be able to pass the movie rights to Warner Brothers. As such, it's not a baseless claim at all - it's merely one that is now considered overly generous, but it may well have been originally negotiated in good faith. Quote:
That seems to be true only to a degree; the problems with Do You Remember Love and Macross 7 have been rumored to be more due to a high asking price than any legal wrangling.
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I got one approximately 3 years ago when I was still operating a small-time online shop with my overseas partner importing Macross-related goods (along with other stuff). It was sent to my E-mail as a warning. Three years aren't terribly long ago, that was around the time of Mac Zero.
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Besides, who is asking for the high price? Certainly not Big West/Bandai & associated parties. Macross PLUS and MACROSS II all made it to the states without much trouble until their popularity made HG smack down the sledgehammer. Obviously, if it wasn't for HG's meddling, Macross 7 or ZERO might have made it to the states a long, LONG time ago. Robotech's original Japanese licenser never gave HG more rights than merely broadcasting the show, but Robotech became a different animal clearly due to negligence and legal loopholes. Quote:
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In some ways, some of the Japanese business strategy is surprisingly outdated, in regards to its goals they have a short-sightedness to only focus on markets within their borders. nothing wrong with that, except that the really need to start thinking on a global scale considering that the domestic market is suffering from a downturn that is affecting the whole industry, from manga to anime. Personally, shows like Real Diver, CGR2 and MF are remarkably equipped to deal with a global distribution. They certainly feel to have a more international touch.....
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But on this side of the shore, things take forever to publish, and we all know for a fact that licensing in the US is a complete pain in the rear. Its such a pain that you will never ever see the kind of 'doujin' culture of Japan ever taking root here. If it did, expect to see lots of lawsuits. There are so much one has to go through for licensing, its almost ridiculous! Another thing is experience. Anime was simply not as popular as it is today in the US. Throughout the 60s ~ 70s ~ 80s and even 90s, there were numerous material being shown in the states, but none ever proved overwhelming successful. The simple fact is, Japanese licenser or American investors never expected to see an anime boom. Then finally came the first sign of a major boom in the form of Tomogachi eggs... and suddenly, POKEMON. So on one hand, yes, you can perhaps observe Japanese 'practice' as shortsighted, but on the other hand, there is a lot more to it than simply transferring material from one shore to another. - Tak Last edited by Tak; 2008-04-30 at 16:20. |
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Japan explored the idea of broadening the anime/manga infection to the US/Europe but it simply cannot emulate the comic book scene here.
Comic book is already a dying hobby in the US, today's kids are not into self nurturing hobbies like reading comic books and building airplane models. They rather show off who is the biggest attention-whore on facebook/MySpace. Anime/manga are consider freebies here. That's why Japan is not really policing the anime piracy here, they don't think they can build a profitable business here selling anime related products and services. |
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so you can go in and just read, but they ar hoping you'll be a little bit hungry and thirsty so end up buying a drink and some snacks. A bit like having Starbucks in Borders (Bookstore) you just go in, sit down with some books/magazines which you can read and not pay.
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But to get back on topic, i'm going to have a RIOT into how some of those older die-hard robotech heathens will slobber over M-Frontier, yet be in conflict as it does not fit into their corrupted universe....muwahaha...oh...it's making me so happy. But the fact that someone mentioned something about Bandai Visual licensing this to blu-Ray. That is certain to be speculation, until they sort out the licensing thing, no way would a company announce something like this. I guess it also boils down to how will the Hollywood adaptation will run with it.....
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