(L) Magi - Labyrinth of Magic [manga]

[dazo]

Originally Posted by hamazura

i think im with ithnan side...
i dont like equality, like communism

what?..communism??

that is not communism, is more like "Human rights" ..and, if salomon didn't change "god way", that world would turn in a caste system.. (the highest class- the magicians, and the lowest the more "animal-like beings"... you already see that before salomon, become the king)

and..if you don't like equality(as human rights)..then we got a problem..because no matter the side you are on..soon or later someone else is gonna slay you... equality, like democracy exist to prevent mass murder and violence (..but...like all theories...there are problems.. a lot.....)

Originally Posted by Kanon

With the translation, everything has become clear. Former magicians rebelled against Solomon for three different reasons:

- Some are displeased that they became equal to the other species. These are just a bunch of hypocrites.
- Others like Ithnan are just sick of the concept of destiny and wishes to be completely freed from its shackles. What Solomon did was to replace Ill Illah's destiny with his own, which led to a more equal world, but it's not enough for them.
- And finally, there's Arba, who just wants to bring Ill Illah back. Naturally, she has the first guys' support. Others will probably flock to her because she will become the face of the rebellion against Solomon, the man arrogant enough to replace god.

-they want "equality"...but...as long they govern....

-i think, that the author make a mistake here( but this can also be a human natural reaction..and stupidity ), before they couldn't change theirs destiny, but now, they can choose,.... maybe both options are "controlled", but hey, you have options now..... and, if you don't like the idea of "destiny"... then become the next god, or kill yourself.

but like always, this isn't about just destiny, the also want theirs power as "the magicians", now the the ruhk is in all species, they loses their status...and let not forget..humans should be extinct long ago.

Originally Posted by noobita

Now i can see why Solomon considered as arrogant. Does this means current magi world is much better? One king, one world?

that is not arrogance..that is ingenuity .....and stupidity.

...and no, all worlds, dimension.. are , just like this , screwed...because as long as"personality" exists, wars and depravity are gonna exist...but we can try to "understand and cooperate" each other , for a more "easy" future

...and... aladin world is already doomed ( but maybe, there is a change with the "friends powers " )....just look at sinbad face ( and yunan face.., he is worried about simbad reaction ..and what he is gonna do from now on ), in "david prophetic writing" chapter....

What's David's mistakes? He made plans so that everything would happen this way, he planed the destruction of Alma Toran and the creation of a new world where is utopia will come to reality.

the way the the author show david, is a little tricky, he can see the "future", he now that , only a irregular being can create his "utopia", so he make the path..but how can be sure that the irregular(miracle boy), is gonna choose "his" utopia......all his "shit", can end very bad if, he didn't considered the "irregular" emotions and individuality ( can he control irregulars ?).....but , like i say..this is tricky( we don know how his ability works (limitations, problems)..what we know make him very op )

wonder why Solomon make Arba a Magi, since she seem to follow Il Illah all the way?

uff,.... thats is just how salomon ingenuity works... for a better world , we need to understand each other, so.... he decide to give his power to the "other side"....or maybe is just his stupidity.... but at least he makes 3 magi...but ugo is......

[Anh_Minh]

Originally Posted by hamazura

i think im with ithnan side...
i dont like equality, like communism

No no, don't tell yourself you're with Ithnan, one of the most powerful magicians in the world. Don't even tell yourself you're one of the mook magicians who still lord it over others like deities. Tell yourself you're one of the "inferior" races, which after all are the majority of the population by a huge margin. Now, what's your stance on Solomon's "equality"?

[Awrya]

Spoiler for 234:

RIP Sheba.

[Kazu-kun]

Spoiler for 234:

Arba is Gyokuen! She formed Al-Thamen, killed Sheba and stole her staff. Before Sheba died, she left Aladdin, who managed to survive, under Ugo's care and told him the baby's name as her last word.

Pretty fucking sad chapter, but we already knew it was coming I suppose.

[hamazura]

nice chapter, okay, only a few chapters left until this fvking flashback ending!
forever alone alibabaaaaaa im coming for you! T_T

[Kazu-kun]

After been told all this, I hope Alibaba realizes he can't be concerned with just Balbad anymore. He has to look at the bigger picture, if only to support Aladdin who has been struggling with all this alone. Alibaba has to leave Kou and form his own faction together with Aladdin.

[dazo]

so....is almost over
well..good intentions always bring "interesting" results......+ if you are a little idiot....

..and where was hugo..he is a magi..so .........i hope that he wasn't hiding...( hugo as a magi...yeah sure...the best decision )

[Fwarlord]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

After been told all this, I hope Alibaba realizes he can't be concerned with just Balbad anymore. He has to look at the bigger picture, if only to support Aladdin who has been struggling with all this alone. Alibaba has to leave Kou and form his own faction together with Aladdin.

I think Alibaba should just quit all these political business and become an ordinary person. He doesn't suit these complicated matters. If even someones like Solomon and Sheba can change nothing, he will just get his tragic end involving these things.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Fwarlord

I think Alibaba should just quit all these political business and become an ordinary person. He doesn't suit these complicated matters. If even someones like Solomon and Sheba can change nothing, he will just get his tragic end involving these things.

It's because he's not some great figure that everyone admires and follows that he might just be able to accomplish things they couldn't. That's why Aladdin chose him as his king candidate.

I'm pretty sure neither Koen nor Sinbad can save the world. Only Alibaba and Aladdin can.

[Homura7]

Summary here.

Spoiler for 234:

Title: The Eight-Pointed Star Insurrection

-Sheba addresses the magicians and announces that in a week from now, a ceremony will be held in which the other species will swear fealty to Solomon, and she urges them and the magis to participate. Arba objects, and Sheba responds that empty shell Solomon doesn't have long to live and they must unite the species before that. Arba counters that Sheba should listen more to the cries of her people (the magicians), but Sheba tells her this is an order. When they were close to fight, Ugo stands between them and after Sheba leaves Arba sobs "ahh, Sheba is no longer herself. Why did it come to this?"

-The ceremony is held and its a continuations of the scene in ch 215. Sheba comments: "that's right, the other species look so joyful. I bet Arba and the others will understand too."

-After the ceremony, Ugo and Sheba transform the 72 divine staves into magical items from which magoi can be drawn and distributed them among the leaders of the species. By doing so, all the species are equal in terms of powers and each rule their own autonomous city.

Sheba: "look, Solomon. Everyone is happy. This is the Utopia (Alma Toran) that we dreamed of. It will be alright!"

-Sheba faces the magicians and comments: "what's... happening? Everyone's rukhs is tinged with black!"

-It turns out the magicians and Ugo did some research to turn the color of the rukhs back into black and created a black creature. Sheba: "Back then, why didn't I do something about the hearts of everyone being dyed black? In the end, it was all my fault that I desperately kept my eyes clouded. And then, that day came. (Note: She meant she in her belief in their friendship and the good in them she remained silent about it)

-Al Thamen insurrection, being led by Arba, takes place. Arba addresses the magicians: "justice is on our side. Let's put the world back in order and strike down the arrogant king!"

-Sheba arrives and she and Arba fight it out and Arba wins without breaking a sweat. Arba approaches the fallen Sheba and tells her how pathetic she looks and that she (Sheba) was fooled and manipulated by Solomon. But she tells her to die in peace, because her lingering regrets won't go unnoticed and she and Al-Thamen will carry on her dying wish.

-Ugo arrives and apologizes to Sheba for not making it in time. Sheba tells him "but this child hasn't been born yet..."

Ugo: "huh?"

"This child is all I have left from Solomon, so please, this child..."

Ugo: "wait, Sheba. What's the child's name?"

Sheba: "Aladdin..."

Sheba's last words: "Solomon, I did my best, however... Aladdin, I really wanted to meet you. Forgive me for not being able to hold you in my arms for even once."

Great. Thank you, Gyokuen, now I have one more reason to hate you.

[Fwarlord]

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

It's because he's not some great figure that everyone admires and follows that he might just be able to accomplish things they couldn't. That's why Aladdin chose him as his king candidate.

I'm pretty sure neither Koen nor Sinbad can save the world. Only Alibaba and Aladdin can.

For some reasons, I put my bet on Sinbad, I believe he is the true singularity who will create the true utopia David has predicted.

[Kazu-kun]

Originally Posted by Fwarlord

For some reasons, I put my bet on Sinbad, I believe he is the true singularity who will create the true utopia David has predicted.

Sinbad is the most powerful but he's willing to brainwash a friend. Someone like that can't save the world. Aladdin instinctively could tell what kind of man he is. That's why he didn't want to be his magi.

[Homura7]

And also why Alibaba accepted Kouen's conditions, with some nuances.

[dazo]

thank you @K. Shiruto for the sumary

lets see :

She meant she in her belief in their friendship and the good in them she remained silent about it)

.....really.....that world is in a huge change after salomon "become" god,.....its a religious/social schism......

After the ceremony, Ugo and Sheba transform the 72 divine staves into magical items from which magoi can be drawn and distributed them among the leaders of the species. By doing so, all the species are equal in terms of powers and each rule their own autonomous city.

this is a good thing,..but the idea of "drawn magoi" is dangerous...but that also good..in this way..a magi cant "grow " too big or influencial( there are 3 magi for a reason.. )

Sheba arrives and she and Arba fight it out and Arba wins without breaking a sweat

come on...where were the other species army ( salomon bodyguards )....a few of those "angel like" can be very helpful....and hugo....

Ugo: "wait, Sheba. What's the child's name?"

i was expecting a plot twist here.....like, ..his name is judar *oh god why *

Originally Posted by Kazu-kun

Sinbad is the most powerful but he's willing to brainwash a friend. Someone like that can't save the world. Aladdin instinctively could tell what kind of man he is. That's why he didn't want to be his magi.

mmmm....well salomon was a "good one" ... a little naive, and just look just look that world .... alibaba is also a good one, but that make him weak and manipulate...you need someone that can put order above everything else.

and aladdin is a little too optimistic.....yunan look more interesting( traveler sage...a lot of information and knowledge )...and he is sinbad magi...but he don't want to work

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by dazo

thank you @K. Shiruto for the sumary

lets see :


.....really.....that world is in a huge change after salomon "become" god,.....its a religious/social schism......



this is a good thing,..but the idea of "drawn magoi" is dangerous...but that also good..in this way..a magi cant "grow " too big or influencial( there are 3 magi for a reason.. )


come on...where were the other species army ( salomon bodyguards )....a few of those "angel like" can be very helpful....and hugo....



i was expecting a plot twist here.....like, ..his name is judar *oh god why *

mmmm....well salomon was a "good one" ... a little naive, and just look just look that world .... alibaba is also a good one, but that make him weak and manipulate...you need someone that can put order above everything else.

and aladdin is a little too optimistic.....yunan look more interesting( traveler sage...a lot of information and knowledge )...and he is sinbad magi...but he don't want to work

Uhgg I disagree with you again. Why do you put me through this.

I'll ignore the other points for one glaring one.
Yunan is not Sinbad's Magi. It's been stated very clearly, multiple times, that Yunan is not Sinbad's Magi. Sinbad is trying to recruit Alladin because he has no Magi.

Also, cause it hurts too ignore, there's no reason to even think it was Judar. The details Judar's backstory and his birth have already been revealed. That's aside from the fact that Alladin has already been well established as the only Magi born from Alma Toran, aside from

Spoiler for spoiler.:

Gyokuen

[dazo]

hi

the debate make a good forum:

check sinbad story...... sinbad mother asked yunan to guide him..that is destiny(he accept )...and, of course, sinbad is clueless about this.

about the "judar thing", i say a "plot twist" ...we are talking about changing god ways, parallel worlds, so "thing can happen"..but yeah, what you say is true...*cof, parallel world ,cof*

[anonfr]

Originally Posted by dazo

hi

the debate make a good forum:

check sinbad story...... sinbad mother asked yunan to guide him..that is destiny(he accept )...and, of course, sinbad is clueless about this.

about the "judar thing", i say a "plot twist" ...we are talking about changing god ways, parallel worlds, so "thing can happen"..but yeah, what you say is true...*cof, parallel world ,cof*

Check Yunan's conversation with Alladin, Yunan says himself that he's not Sinbad's Magi.

[Fwarlord]

Originally Posted by anonfr

Check Yunan's conversation with Alladin, Yunan says himself that he's not Sinbad's Magi.

You sure he wasn't being tsun tsun about that?

[dazo]

that is because he is not "acknowledged" as his magi( huge political boost, magic power ), but yunan already accept "guide him"...but sinbad is dangerous(and clueless)..so he is only watching him

.....and lets no forget his "issues" with judar

edit: ........alladin appear in this world by "spontaneous generation"?....and yes....i know about the temple...i just asking, if he just a" appear"

edit 2: what is the deal with the temple...come on..they created a lot of parallel worlds....with a " gate"...*stargate*..... that joins all the worlds.....yeah..what can go wrong.....

[Sixth]

So us it Sheba's fault that Al Thamen created? Because to me, it is totally the couple's fault.