2009-06-23, 23:46 | Link #24 | |
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blocking hammer atks is a little different from blocking cuts. he could make a very viscous pile of fuild poison to slow down the punches due to surface area and also poisoing thus weakening the atacker. But it won't work well against a sword cut. I don't see his poison being harder than concrete for example. |
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2009-06-23, 23:53 | Link #25 | ||
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2009-06-24, 00:01 | Link #26 |
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^I'm guessing that they're talking about the possibility that Shiryuu may have powers aside from his obvious swordsmanship skills. Heck, I've already said myself in past threads that he should possess some wild and unique abilities if he's equal to Magellan in power.....
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2009-06-24, 00:17 | Link #27 | |
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Let's forget about the actual power levels a bit. I am wondering why he does need some special power in addition to swordsmanship, if you consider a devil fruit power kind of power there. That is like saying Mihawk wouldn't have stood chance against Magellan. But, haven't we already seen that a cannot-be-considered-as-unique haki ability can be used against devil fruit powers with success (the best example was Rayleigh, but I am pretty much guessing Whitebeard and Shanks are similar). The levels make all the difference at the end, but, at least we know that Shiryuu can support his actual fighting power quite a bit with haki. If you consider the past chapters, I think one of the most surprising parts was an Admiral not being able to use haki to complement his devil fruit powers against Rayleigh. |
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2009-06-24, 00:37 | Link #28 |
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^Despite Amazon Lily, Haki is still considered to be a fairly exclusive ability (when used offensively and defensively). Who's to say that Kizaru can use haki, or if he can use it, whether or not it is strong or not? etc.
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2009-06-24, 00:48 | Link #29 | |
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In a general sense I guess you could consider him that. But we're talking about using the sword with a certain high level of skill and maybe even to the extent of relying on the sword as the primary weapon of choice. I'll give you another example, even if magallen carries a sword and uses it oscasionally to poke/slash someone, he won't be considered a swordsman. His real weapon is his poison fruit. |
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2009-06-24, 04:04 | Link #31 |
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Wow, great chapter. While I was originally a little upset that Luffy and company weren't going to battle Magellan, after reading the conclusion to this chapter, I have to say I am satisfied. Bon Clay "final moments" were quite nice (just the right amount of emotion), and the final tagline concerning Impel Down ("Worst mistake Ever") was pretty cool...
That being said, there was a big hint that Bon Clay may actually die: His final words were that he has achieved his wish. If we take wish to be similar to dream, then Bon Clay attaining his wish means that he has nothing left to live for (or he has at least attained his life's ambition), which consequently means that he could possibly pass away... Also, Luffy deciding not to attempt to save Bon Clay was an amazing display of character growth (similar to what Blackbeard D. Kuma was talking about earlier). I should clarify, I have not advocated any specific course of action. At best I am advocating adherence to Luffy's character definition (his Modus Operandi) and am willing to accept any speculation that results from such adherence. In other words, I do believe that Luffy will try to go to the battlefield (his very character definition demands that he try), but as to what he does there, I have stated no specific opinion, and have even gone out of my way to explain that anything or nothing could happen. Last edited by james0246; 2009-06-24 at 04:50. |
2009-06-24, 08:24 | Link #33 | |
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Heh, once again Bon Clay shows how awesome he is. Yeah, he'll most likely survive his encounter with Magellan, but if (and it's a really big if) he doesn't, well..... it was already said in this thread that this would be an good point for him to bite it......
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I think I was actually more impressed that Luffy didn't cry after finding out about Bon's decision to stay behind. Just compare that to Alabasta, where he DID cry after Bon's sacrifice at that time. To me, THAT was a better example of character growth than Luffy deciding not to go save his friend..... Anyways, the last line of the chapter definitely has me stoked. Not only does this clear the way for a potential rematch between Luffy and Magellan at Marineford, but the line is most certainly referring to Blackbeard, as well. I hope this means that we'll see a poison-free Blackbeard crew in level 6 next chapter..... Oh, and nobody mentioned the ministory? It focuses on Franky after all! He's being chased by a bunch of goofy cyborg animals. I rather like gorilla cyborg, myself. ...And it looks like we STILL haven't found out when Bon touched Magellan's face yet. Looks like we'll find out when either the full summary or chapter itself comes out..... Edit: Oh wait, Luffy DID cry. I missed it earlier since I kinda skimmed through the pics. Ah well, nothing wrong with some manly tears! I like how even Buggy and Mr. 3 are crying for him, too. I guess they regret ditching him at level 5 earlier..... Last edited by marvelB; 2009-06-24 at 08:37. |
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2009-06-24, 10:26 | Link #34 | |
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I am sure devil fruit ability is a much more exclusive haves compared to haki. |
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2009-06-24, 12:40 | Link #35 |
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^Please read my post again, I specifically mentioned that haki being used defesively and offensively is so far an exclusive ability. Presumably, everyone has haki (for instance, Blackbeard can sense it quite easily, but he has never shown any ability to use haki), but only a few can use it offensively and defensively and that special "types" of haki are required (as mentioned during the Sandersonia and Marigold v. Luffy fight).
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2009-06-24, 13:36 | Link #36 |
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During the fight they didn't say that a few can use haki, or haki is an exclusive ability. The only thing that was said was the haki "variation" that Luffy has is a rare kind. The only impression that I get is based on the environment you are in you can learn to use your haki. And Amazonas are lucky compared to the people living outside that island.
If you consider it as a devil fruit ability, in this case, everyone has eaten it. As in the devil fruit case, some are strong, some are not. And, some can learn to maximize the potential of it, while some can ignore and stay at the basic level. And of course some are not even aware of that they had eaten it. |
2009-06-24, 13:52 | Link #37 | |
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But in response to your question, "do I consider [Spandam] a swordsman." Well technically he wields a sword, so therefore he's a swordsman, I mean what else what would you call him? But even if you wouldn't consider him a swordsman, that would make Spandam pretty much the only example of someone who wields a sword but isn't a swordsman (other than the insignificant minor characters of course). Shiryuu on the other hand is a serious fighting character who was introduced with a sword, when he was freed from impel the first thing he asked for was his sword, and everytime we've seen him fight was with his sword. So once again, I really don't see what evidence you have to assume he "may not be a swordsman." I mean I'm certainly not going to rule it out as a possibility because stranger things have happened in this show, but 99.9% of those who have used swords have been swordsman, I don't see why that would change now, especially when we're talking about someone as powerful as Shiryuu.
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2009-06-24, 17:00 | Link #40 |
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I highly doubt Magellan is at a level to stop Blackbeard. Blackbeard played a nice game there to divert the attention away from him. After Blackbeard gets what he wanted, Magellan won't even last as long as the time Ace lasted against Blackbeard, especially now that Magellan's powers are identified, when Blackbeard hasn't really used anything.
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