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2011-10-17, 04:25 | Link #25102 | |
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2011-10-17, 05:22 | Link #25104 | |
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The doubt about why Yasu didn't give the parents the gold could be explained by that she thought EP7 Tea party would happen. Something like that might have actually happened, though, as may have read in Eva's diary. Maybe Battler forgave her, because in the end she didn't get the chance to kill anyone but herself? If Yasu planned to kill everyone, it again makes Battler's motivation in hiding the truth doubtful. Maybe, after he understood everything, he didn't want the death of his family to be in vain, and try to maintain that happy story of Golden Land with Beatrice. Or he killed... I do have very mixed feelings about this. I hope to read rest of the interview. By the way, I had a dream last night where I got a paper where read the name of Umineko's culprit in faded letters. I don't remember it exactly, and the letters were a bit hard to make out in the dream, but it was <Japanese surname (Not Ushiromiya)> George<some continuation to name>. Something like Tanaka Georgeseiharukana. |
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2011-10-17, 05:29 | Link #25105 | |
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It doesn't matter what he actually means, he generalizes and stereotypes entire groups of people and uses that to justify Yasu's irrational bullshit motivations. This is just insulting to EVERYONE'S intelligence.
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2011-10-17, 05:48 | Link #25106 | |
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Well, the best part of the interview so far was that it looks like he blurbed out that Battler was out a few years or something before Ikuko got to him. Haha, if this is true then she could very well be Yasu. e- Thanks for the translation, eagerly waiting to that part where he mentions (I think..?) how much BTs death influenced him. Last edited by Cao Ni Ma; 2011-10-17 at 06:10. |
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2011-10-17, 07:13 | Link #25107 | |
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Japanese literature is problematic when discussed from a point of gender, I think so too, but that doesn't mean we have to limit this to a debate about sexism. Ryűkishi grew up in a society that was basically revolving around anti-feminist ideas, so the idea alone that he is basically empowering the female in this story is rather innovative. I would agree that it is still sexist. Of course he portrayed power-hungry, goal orriented women as something negative (c.f. Eva), it even explains his depiction of Higurashi's antagonist. But I don't think that we should start bashing - looking intensely at you AT - just because of this. We can check this as a point i itself and declare "Yes, in a way Ryűkishi is homosexuell....case closed, let's discuss his ideas!!". For example most popular culture is still very much anti-gay oriented...so is every gay user supposed to start bashing those works because they are? Those things can be pointed out and criticised...but saying "This is bullshit, I stopped reading" just disqualifies any of you on a discursive level. |
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2011-10-17, 08:12 | Link #25108 | |
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2011-10-17, 09:35 | Link #25109 | |
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Yeah, that was the most interesting part for me too. What was he doing during those years before he turned up? At that point, more than suspecting Ikuko = Yasu, we have to start doubting Tohya = Battler (even though he himself is under that impression).
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2011-10-17, 11:48 | Link #25110 |
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Well, Tohya=! Battler was always a possibility if you refused to suspend all your disbelief on how he was able to survive the ordeal. Also it seems RK07 is adamant that this man is Battler, at least his body is. So the biggest issue I have with Battler being a hobo for a few years is Ikuko's motivation for taking a random person of the streets that she should have suspected was able to fend for himself fine. Why not any other hobo?
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2011-10-17, 14:38 | Link #25111 | |
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Um........ what was Kinzo's entire motivation if not his emotional attachment to Beatrice? He didn't want Beatrice's child to live. He didn't want his legacy with Beatrice to survive (at least, not that he seemed consciously aware of). He wanted a brief, ephemeral moment with her again in some form or fashion.
And Kinzo is a man. As far as I know. So uh isn't that pretty much the opposite of what he's saying there? He wrote a character in his own work that essentially achieves fulfillment in exactly the fashion he says the other gender does. EDIT: Wait... Quote:
EDIT EDIT: Also technically Yasu and Battler never did live together the rest of their lives if Yasu = Ikuko and Battler = Touya. She's Ikuko. He's Touya. The facts of the world say Ikuko and Touya lived together all their lives. Just sayin'.
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2011-10-17, 14:46 | Link #25112 |
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Kinzo's been dead for 2 years though. The one we are seeing could very well be a construct that someone, a woman or a person that relates to one, might have created.
e- I think he goes in depth on how BT's death influenced him, he also goes on to say that he might rewrite everything a decade or two from now if he's still writing. |
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I could believe that Beatrice really did exist, in our world. But this interview it just...I can't believe it! I can't believe what it says! Quote:
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2011-10-17, 14:58 | Link #25115 | |
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Wait, how can he be the editor and not know what the answer is?
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And crying over a person he knew only briefly, whom he would give anything to see again even one time. Sounds to me like a person whose character arc went from exactly what the interview suggests to, well, exactly the opposite. He started out building a legacy and regretted it. Now he no longer cares. It isn't a simple thing. Which makes the interview part kind of baffling, as the author is trying to suggest something apparently at odds with a point he himself developed.
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2011-10-17, 14:59 | Link #25116 |
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Haha! It was actually mentioned in the last interview that Hagu translated. It mentions him receiving a call from his editor after he finished reading it and him saying something like "Is this really how you are going to end it?"
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2011-10-17, 15:17 | Link #25118 | |
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As for the interview, all I'll say is that Ryuukishi's values are so fundamentally different from mine that I don't think even trying to understand the novel completely matters anymore simply because this is an answer based on the author's perception of human nature and I personally find his depiction of human nature inaccurate. Which brings me back to my complaint of how there should have been a detective who served as a conductor to how the author perceived human nature--okay I'll stop. |
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2011-10-17, 15:28 | Link #25119 | ||
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In short if his behaviour presented in 7 games was completely and utterly false. To be honest I don't like that much to think that the Kinzo we've known was completely fictional and that real Kinzo was the exact opposite... Also wouldn't this mean that, since Kinzo's behaviour is apparently what Ryukishi deems a 'womanly one' the 7 tales are from a woman point of view? ... Considering I though them being based with Toya/Battler's memories and thoughts I'm not sure how this makes sense... unless Ikuko had a greater than I though influence in creating the setting for the games... |
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2011-10-17, 15:32 | Link #25120 | |
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Not trying to defend RKs statements, there is SOME consistency to them if you combine them with previous ones. Its just that his execution kinda falls flat do to the nature of the story and what Sherringford keeps harping on |
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