The Novel and Manga of Haruhi Suzumiya

[Noppapana]

then again how should i read the chapter 2 of 9th novel ?
separately ?

[cardslash02]

Ok so this is getting very interesting...

Spoiler for Vol. 9 Spoilers..:

So we have two separate timelines here, α and β. The defining, branching point seems to be that in β, Kyon did NOT meet with the opposition on Sunday, whereas in α, he did. Now this is an interesting, if not terribly important difference. But there are others, for example, SOS-dan getting alot of new members in α but none in β, and Nagato getting sick in β. And also, the mysterious girl who seems to know Kyon calling him - i'd agree with other people in this topic, and say this whole situation seems to be setting the stage for the appearance of a slider.

So far, an instance of two concurrent parallel universes has not yet appeared in any of the Haruhi novels. This does not APPEAR to be a "Nagato-reset" situation - that is, someone going back and tampering with the timeline. It simply is two diverging parallel universes. According to popular theory, each time someone makes a decision, a parallel universe is created where that person made the opposite decision and the two universes diverge from there. Whether the author has adopted that theory for his books is not clear. But, meanwhile we do not yet know if the creation of the parallel universe was natural or not. It could be the work of time travelers, time-tampering aliens, or sliders. However, what is clear is that we will need a bona-fide slider in order to hop between the universes. Thus, I believe our long-awaited sixth member, a slider, is on the way.

My prediction: the unknown girl is a slider, and she will go back and forth between the two parallel universes, perhaps taking one Kyon to the other universe and showing him how it is different. As the two universes diverge, more serious events will start to happen, and the slider will offer Kyon the choice of which one is "correct" or "right" to be the "real" universe. This will be the choice that future!Mikuru is talking about, and possibly related to the different future that Fujiwara seems to come from. Two parallel universes, two futures, and Kyon will have to choose and make the right choice. I also think that his choice will hinge on whether to "give" or return to Sasaki the godlike powers that Haruhi "stole".

Kyon is about to face a tough, tough trial. Many people will try to appeal to his reason and implore him to let Sasaki have the powers. But as he as already resolved, and I quote:
"If this reality is ever facing destruction, I would change it back to this old self no matter what. This is what I am determined to do....I had made this decision long ago, right during Christmas last year."(vol.9, ch 3)
Therefore, I presume something else, something very important to Kyon is about to be put on the line, enough to make him reconsider his resolve. What that would be, I do not know.

Thoughts? Disagreements?

[Alesiopdv]

Haruhi will want a Sixth Ranger for her Brigade. Every single Sentai team has one.

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by cardslash02

Ok so this is getting very interesting...

Spoiler for Vol. 9 Spoilers..:

So we have two separate timelines here, α and β. The defining, branching point seems to be that in β, Kyon did NOT meet with the opposition on Sunday, whereas in α, he did. Now this is an interesting, if not terribly important difference. But there are others, for example, SOS-dan getting alot of new members in α but none in β, and Nagato getting sick in β. And also, the mysterious girl who seems to know Kyon calling him - i'd agree with other people in this topic, and say this whole situation seems to be setting the stage for the appearance of a slider.

So far, an instance of two concurrent parallel universes has not yet appeared in any of the Haruhi novels. This does not APPEAR to be a "Nagato-reset" situation - that is, someone going back and tampering with the timeline. It simply is two diverging parallel universes. According to popular theory, each time someone makes a decision, a parallel universe is created where that person made the opposite decision and the two universes diverge from there. Whether the author has adopted that theory for his books is not clear. But, meanwhile we do not yet know if the creation of the parallel universe was natural or not. It could be the work of time travelers, time-tampering aliens, or sliders. However, what is clear is that we will need a bona-fide slider in order to hop between the universes. Thus, I believe our long-awaited sixth member, a slider, is on the way.

My prediction: the unknown girl is a slider, and she will go back and forth between the two parallel universes, perhaps taking one Kyon to the other universe and showing him how it is different. As the two universes diverge, more serious events will start to happen, and the slider will offer Kyon the choice of which one is "correct" or "right" to be the "real" universe. This will be the choice that future!Mikuru is talking about, and possibly related to the different future that Fujiwara seems to come from. Two parallel universes, two futures, and Kyon will have to choose and make the right choice. I also think that his choice will hinge on whether to "give" or return to Sasaki the godlike powers that Haruhi "stole".

Kyon is about to face a tough, tough trial. Many people will try to appeal to his reason and implore him to let Sasaki have the powers. But as he as already resolved, and I quote:
"If this reality is ever facing destruction, I would change it back to this old self no matter what. This is what I am determined to do....I had made this decision long ago, right during Christmas last year."(vol.9, ch 3)
Therefore, I presume something else, something very important to Kyon is about to be put on the line, enough to make him reconsider his resolve. What that would be, I do not know.

Thoughts? Disagreements?

Well, you seemed to have crossed one thing up.

Spoiler:

B is where Sasaki called and where he met with them on Sunday. The splitting point seems to be the phone call. In A it is an unknown girl who calls hin Senpai, in B it is Sasaki setting up the Sunday meeting. I already gave my theory here. http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...&postcount=348
And, there will likely be a downside to whatever choice Kyon makes since if it was only a choice between Mikuro and SB it would be an easy choice for him, but future Mikuro seemed to be worried about what choice he would make.

[Raykun]

well lets hope the rite choice is made

and how do u make spoilers?

[X207]

Originally Posted by Raykun

well lets hope the rite choice is made

and how do u make spoilers?

simple just type this line, of course you hav to remove the space in btwn the 1st half of the spoiler line
[spoile r] blah blah blah[/spoiler]

[Raykun]

thnxs i kno now ^^

[Kristen]

So, I just finished volume 9. Does anyone have any predictions on it for book 10? My own are below.

Spoiler:

I think that the alpha part will lead to the recruitment of that girl mentioned in alpha 6. She is most likely a normal human, just someone who is intently interested in the brigade. She probably came late, thus why Kyon counted 11 outside, and 12 inside. The ASOS brigade takes action, and tells Haruhi everything. This causes a dramatic unstable situation within Haruhi, and she destroys the world, recreating it without them, and with the SOS brigade as normal humans so the problems do not arise again.

I think the beta part will lead to the same girl coming, just later in the story as the sole new member. I think that the brigade members here will one by one become incapacitated by their opposing member, and Kyon will be forced to use his trump card. Doing this causes Haruhi to create a closed space which she allows to destroy all. However, she like Sasaki does not want Godlike power, so she relinquishes it. All brigade members are normal humans in the new world, because she grew up and accepted that they are child's play.


And the alpha and beta parts will be explained in the epilogue. Kyon was the slider all along, and Koizumi didn't want to tell him because he knew Kyon's childish wishes would cause him to overuse the power and never come back to the same place again, causing a destabilization of Haruhi and a destruction of the world.

Any other predictions?

Oh, and I do think Book 10 will be the last book. He has writers block making this one, thus the delay. So, I don't think he can make any more. Besides, should my predictions hold, there is no more powers, no more fun plot.

[PastPrime]

Originally Posted by ChrissieXD

So, I just finished volume 9. Does anyone have any predictions on it for book 10? My own are below.

Spoiler:

I think that the alpha part will lead to the recruitment of that girl mentioned in alpha 6. She is most likely a normal human, just someone who is intently interested in the brigade. She probably came late, thus why Kyon counted 11 outside, and 12 inside. The ASOS brigade takes action, and tells Haruhi everything. This causes a dramatic unstable situation within Haruhi, and she destroys the world, recreating it without them, and with the SOS brigade as normal humans so the problems do not arise again.

I think the beta part will lead to the same girl coming, just later in the story as the sole new member. I think that the brigade members here will one by one become incapacitated by their opposing member, and Kyon will be forced to use his trump card. Doing this causes Haruhi to create a closed space which she allows to destroy all. However, she like Sasaki does not want Godlike power, so she relinquishes it. All brigade members are normal humans in the new world, because she grew up and accepted that they are child's play.


And the alpha and beta parts will be explained in the epilogue. Kyon was the slider all along, and Koizumi didn't want to tell him because he knew Kyon's childish wishes would cause him to overuse the power and never come back to the same place again, causing a destabilization of Haruhi and a destruction of the world.

Any other predictions?

Oh, and I do think Book 10 will be the last book. He has writers block making this one, thus the delay. So, I don't think he can make any more. Besides, should my predictions hold, there is no more powers, no more fun plot.

http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...&postcount=348
http://forums.animesuki.com/showpost...&postcount=362

[X207]

Originally Posted by ChrissieXD

So, I just finished volume 9. Does anyone have any predictions on it for book 10? My own are below.

Spoiler:

And the alpha and beta parts will be explained in the epilogue. Kyon was the slider all along, and Koizumi didn't want to tell him because he knew Kyon's childish wishes would cause him to overuse the power and never come back to the same place again, causing a destabilization of Haruhi and a destruction of the world.

interesting theory, never thought of that b4

Spoiler:

though my money is still on that girl to be the slider

[arkxkra]

Im not sure posting here or wat...but after looking the incident i feel very angry....

Spoiler for from another place:

This is just a post to give you a brief idea of what is going on. On September 1st, 2007, the show "I guess, I guess" openly insulted anime and manga fans around the world. Rather than exploring the true nature of Anime as the show originally claimed to be, the show was focused on insulting the guest fans and harshly making them appear as outcasts and geeks. Though I am sure an English or Japanese subtitled version of that day's broadcast will surface in youtube soon, let me summarize the number of remarks made during the show.

1. Anime fans are criminals who doesn't deserve to live in this world.
They are dirty, unintelligent and they don't fit in the society.

2. When the guests try to defend themselves by adding comments that
they do have social circle, have a job and girl friend. The producer simply erased those clips in order to make them stay as geekish as possible.

3. The Melancholy of Suzumiya Haruhi(Published by Kadokawa.) was portrayed by the host of the show, Jacky Wu as a pronographic novel about high school prostitutes. As he holds up the novel of Suzumiya Haruhi and reads out loud, he made up a fake story about two high school girls abducted and sexually molested.


The show consist of Jacky Wu and the disastrous "Hei Ser Huei MeiMei"(Horrible failed copycats of Morning Musume). Jacky Wu had been known for making ignorant public opionions for years. This time he had gone too far. The concept of the shows he hosts are mainly stolen straight from Japanese media. "I guess, I guess" being one of them.

We are here demanding an open apology from the Producer, the host Jacky Wu, and the stupid be-atches who claimed anime fans are criminals who doesn't deserve to live. In our opinion, they are the as-holes who doesn't deserve to live in this world. Please support the Taiwanese fans. Feel free to leave your comments here! =)

can come here to support...

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Let me reiterate, I am wholeheartedly against Kyon being anything but a normal human-being. Obviously the final decision rests with the author, but there is really a lot at stake if Kyon's "normal-hood" is threatened.

Mainly, Kyon's role as the narrator would greatly diminish. We would no longer be able to put ourselves in his shoes as comfortably. If there were to be challenges and quests in Kyon's path, it is so much more satisfying for him to succeed in his goals with tools we all posses.

...But of course, that is just my opinion.

[UPR]

Originally Posted by Vallen Chaos Valiant

Let me reiterate, I am wholeheartedly against Kyon being anything but a normal human-being. Obviously the final decision rests with the author, but there is really a lot at stake if Kyon's "normal-hood" is threatened.

Mainly, Kyon's role as the narrator would greatly diminish. We would no longer be able to put ourselves in his shoes as comfortably. If there were to be challenges and quests in Kyon's path, it is so much more satisfying for him to succeed in his goals with tools we all posses.

...But of course, that is just my opinion.

Agree with you 100%.

There are 2 things i want to happen:
1. I want Kyon to stay normal.
2. The Kyon x Haruhi relationship to be confirmed. "Confirmed" may not be the right word ,but you know what I mean.

[Alesiopdv]

THere are a lot of loose ends that cant be wrap up in just one more novel.

1-What is Kyon true name?
2- Who is really Tsuruya-san?
3- Why is Mikuru-chan helping herself in the past (creating a time paradox)?
4- Kyon mencion some SOS Dan adventures they had in the time between the 7th and 9th novels.

And some other things I dont remember right now.

[Vallen Chaos Valiant]

Originally Posted by Alesiopdv

THere are a lot of loose ends that cant be wrap up in just one more novel.

1-What is Kyon true name?
2- Who is really Tsuruya-san?
3- Why is Mikuru-chan helping herself in the past (creating a time paradox)?
4- Kyon mencion some SOS Dan adventures they had in the time between the 7th and 9th novels.

And some other things I dont remember right now.

1- Up until a few months ago, the author admits he still haven't gave Kyon a name yet. Things could have changed since, but I doubt it.

2- Someone who has her own story to tell, but is only interested in being a guest so far. Tsuruya, from what we know, has a complex past and family history that deserve to get her own series. But the point being this is Kyon and Haruhi's story, not hers. I like to imagine Tsuruya being Batman in Gotham while Haruhi is Superman in Metropolis. They cross paths, but each keep to their own side of the turf.
Kyon might ask Yuki for help when he has no choice, but when Yuki can't, he goes to Tsuruya. Tsuruya must have a great deal to hide herself, as she understands when not to ask too many questions. Further, she kept disappearing weeks on end for mysterious trips...
Life goes on outside SOS-dan. Kyon might be protecting the existence of the universe. But there are other jobs that, though not as important, still needs to be done. I believe Tsuruya is one of those "background heroes".

3-There is no paradox. Paradox that self-terminates is lethal, but a time-loop is harmless. Adult Mikurur helped her younger self because that was what history recorded. It is also why Mikuru was chosen for her task, and with so little training; they were just following history.
(Another example is when Kyon had to allow his past-self to get stabbed, even when he could have prevented it. Time traveling is annoying. That's also why Yuki sealed her own ability to see the future.)

I don't remember much about 4.....

[zoozoc]

Originally Posted by Alesiopdv

THere are a lot of loose ends that cant be wrap up in just one more novel.

1-What is Kyon true name?
2- Who is really Tsuruya-san?
3- Why is Mikuru-chan helping herself in the past (creating a time paradox)?
4- Kyon mencion some SOS Dan adventures they had in the time between the 7th and 9th novels.

And some other things I dont remember right now.

i believe the answer to the 4th would be the 2(or possibly more) haruhi theater adventures.

[inkyubasu]

Originally Posted by Alesiopdv

4- Kyon mencion some SOS Dan adventures they had in the time between the 7th and 9th novels.

Really???? I don't remember that... Because if that's true, then the story can't end in the next volume... It would have loose ends...
By any chance, do you recall where he said so?

[Kristen]

Originally Posted by Alesiopdv

THere are a lot of loose ends that cant be wrap up in just one more novel.

1-What is Kyon true name?
2- Who is really Tsuruya-san?
3- Why is Mikuru-chan helping herself in the past (creating a time paradox)?
4- Kyon mencion some SOS Dan adventures they had in the time between the 7th and 9th novels.

And some other things I dont remember right now.

About number 4- Those were the events of book 8.

[Atheuz]

I have a question for a very likely event to come in the next novel. It's become somewhat obvious that Haruhi has chosen Kyun and will eventually confess to him - But how will this work out for Kyun? Does he have that kind of feelings for Haruhi and if so will the narrating style change completely from a "that's dumb haruhi stop it" to a "THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA"? Basically, how will them being romantically involved with one another change the story?

Just takes guesses really, there's bound to be someone more knowledgable about this than me that knows the characters and the writer better than me.

[Twisted Reality]

Originally Posted by Atheuz

I have a question for a very likely event to come in the next novel. It's become somewhat obvious that Haruhi has chosen Kyun and will eventually confess to him - But how will this work out for Kyun? Does he have that kind of feelings for Haruhi and if so will the narrating style change completely from a "that's dumb haruhi stop it" to a "THAT'S A REALLY GOOD IDEA"? Basically, how will them being romantically involved with one another change the story?

Just takes guesses really, there's bound to be someone more knowledgable about this than me that knows the characters and the writer better than me.

Aren't they already romantically involved? Kyon likes Haruhi. He kissed her in novel one and secretly thinks that she's cute (or hot). He's sneaking peaks at Haruhi's body and has at least compared Haruhi to Mikuru once (Infinity Eight). And as far as he's concerned, Haruhi is his social life. He just doesn't like making it obvious to the audience or anybody he knows.

Fundamentally, I don't see their relationship changing all that much if they were to both "confess." Kyon will still think that Haruhi is being childish with her schemes and Haruhi will still expect Kyon to do all the heavy lifting. You know, except maybe there will be sex and lots of annoying PDA at some point.

Haruhi: Kyon! Sex now!"
Kyon: *complaining* I have a headache.
Haruhi: *pouts*