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Old 2016-12-11, 03:21   Link #2621
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...That's right. It's no ones business unless you want to tell them. There are thousands of reasons to vote one candidate over the other. Most people aren't even political and just vote for their party.
So what does that have to do with people justifying a whole load of crap just because you have "greivances"?
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Old 2016-12-11, 07:38   Link #2622
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Politics must be the only career in the world where being prepared and not being prepared are seen as being equal.
Depends how you see 'prepared' really. I've never really liked politicians who spent there whole life doing politics. I much rather see someone who spent 20 years doing something well and relevant and 5 years in lower political job before getting a bigger one.

For example a minster of education should really be a retired teacher and a minster of defense should come from some kind of background with the army,navy or air-force. That way they understand how things work on the ground, but also have spent enough time in politics to understand how things work on the grander scale.

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Old 2016-12-11, 07:51   Link #2623
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Nothing to do with what he was talking about...
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Old 2016-12-11, 07:52   Link #2624
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If you don't educate and invest for the future economy, your way of life will continue to be left in the dust. They aren't worth caring about at this point. They damage their own livelihood.
I'm not sure if you are trying to say the US is good at retraining displaced workers... But we have been absolutely shit at that for the last 20 years. The companies won't do it either. It's far easier and cheaper to just hire a H1B who has the knowledge already and can be your indentured worker than it is to train someone.
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Old 2016-12-11, 11:57   Link #2625
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I'm not sure if you are trying to say the US is good at retraining displaced workers... But we have been absolutely shit at that for the last 20 years. The companies won't do it either. It's far easier and cheaper to just hire a H1B who has the knowledge already and can be your indentured worker than it is to train someone.
This type of attitude reminds me of the attendees at Otakon who looked with contempt at the homeless outside the convention center: if someone or something doesn't fit their worldview or provide something for them they deserved to be discarded. If being a citizen of a country holds no value because the powers that be can't be arsed to provide the time and resources to to even give folks a chance to better themselves because said powers can't immediately benefit, then let the citizenry burn that system down. One must work through the bad to achieve the good after all.
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Old 2016-12-11, 15:14   Link #2626
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If being a citizen of a country holds no value because the powers that be can't be arsed to provide the time and resources to to even give folks a chance to better themselves because said powers can't immediately benefit, then let the citizenry burn that system down. One must work through the bad to achieve the good after all.
Hence there were a lot of upset people in Middle America who voted Trump. Places were manufacturing was a way of life for generations, or other such things that are either being sent overseas because it is cheaper, or the job is handled more efficiently via automation, or in some farming cases, it is cheaper to hire under the table immigrant (legal and illegal) for less than the present wage scales per state.

With the amount if automation and other jobs going away, we have more people than jobs it would appear. What do you do then? Hire four people to do ten hours of a forty hour a week job? A lot of companies do just that so they don't have to pay benefits. They can easily toss aside one and replace them because there are so many people looking for work...of all ages now.

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It seems the President-elect may continue to break the tradition started by Carter in 1979:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...cid=spartandhp

The question will be what will he do as President? There is no going back to the pre-1972 model of the Republic of China being China and the Mainland being ignored, but there is not real logic for continuing with the idea that there is the People's Republic of China, and a rogue province of Taiwan that no one speaks of. Because the truth is their are two countries over there, and it might be time to be respectful of that fact.
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Old 2016-12-11, 17:12   Link #2627
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Hence there were a lot of upset people in Middle America who voted Trump. Places were manufacturing was a way of life for generations, or other such things that are either being sent overseas because it is cheaper, or the job is handled more efficiently via automation, or in some farming cases, it is cheaper to hire under the table immigrant (legal and illegal) for less than the present wage scales per state.

With the amount if automation and other jobs going away, we have more people than jobs it would appear. What do you do then? Hire four people to do ten hours of a forty hour a week job? A lot of companies do just that so they don't have to pay benefits. They can easily toss aside one and replace them because there are so many people looking for work...of all ages now.
This is where having a basic income is valuable, as the development of automation means conventional means of economic activity and wage earning starts breaking down, a basic income give people the freedom to pursue their optimal pursuits, which would enable a new economic form to be generated from that.

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It seems the President-elect may continue to break the tradition started by Carter in 1979:
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politi...cid=spartandhp

The question will be what will he do as President? There is no going back to the pre-1972 model of the Republic of China being China and the Mainland being ignored, but there is not real logic for continuing with the idea that there is the People's Republic of China, and a rogue province of Taiwan that no one speaks of. Because the truth is their are two countries over there, and it might be time to be respectful of that fact.
The PRC reaction wouldn't be any different than what the Russians did regarding Crimea, especially given how the US activity over the past 70 years was basically no different that the UK controlling Hong Kong. A separate Taiwan serves as a reminder of colonial interference in the Chinese political zeitgeist, and that would still be the case even if the PRC were a liberal democratic state. Harry Turtledove's book 'How Few Remain' and its sequels give a good example of that sentiment.

EDIT: In the end I'd expect little from this statement as internal political wrangling in and under the Trump administration to be the bigger focus for Trump, and any given actions are more for gaining economic concessions than anything else.

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Old 2016-12-12, 02:28   Link #2628
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China has flown a nuclear-capable bomber outside its borders in a show of force for the first time since US President-elect Donald Trump’s phone call with the president of Taiwan.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7468021.html

this is merely a show of force, but I didn't know it turned out this way.

there's no telling if further antics may escalate this

There are some fragile egos involved in this, after all
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Old 2016-12-12, 03:00   Link #2629
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China has flown a nuclear-capable bomber outside its borders in a show of force for the first time since US President-elect Donald Trump’s phone call with the president of Taiwan.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7468021.html

this is merely a show of force, but I didn't know it turned out this way.

there's no telling if further antics may escalate this

There are some fragile egos involved in this, after all
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The Xian H-6 bomber flew along the disputed 'nine-dash line' around the South China Sea on Thursday, US officials told Fox News, passing over a number of disputed islands
Let's just wait for official china declaration. Because it is like "FBI claims there weren't russian hackers" and "CIA claims there were"

But what surprises me is that how fragile USA snowflakes. I mean they call themselves a superpower yet **** their pants for any Chinese action lol
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Old 2016-12-12, 04:12   Link #2630
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I must say it's quite the first time China has deployed that kind of hardware considering that they did fuck all the last time the US Navy sent an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer in the area.

Go figure what might be next (*cough* Big Buff *cough*), but that doesn't sound good by any stretch.
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Old 2016-12-12, 04:48   Link #2631
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I must say it's quite the first time China has deployed that kind of hardware considering that they did fuck all the last time the US Navy sent an Arleigh Burke-class destroyer in the area.

Go figure what might be next (*cough* Big Buff *cough*), but that doesn't sound good by any stretch.
No one is gonna start a war because of some island. I know that wars can start because of anything, but global war won't start for now. Though I am sure aside small countries nobody is afraid of USA.

Nevertheless I think the world war will burst out as soon as somebody finds some kind of the defense against nuclear weapons. Basically it is the only thing that prevent global war now.
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Old 2016-12-12, 06:43   Link #2632
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You mean aside of the much bigger reason, economic relations.
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Old 2016-12-12, 07:17   Link #2633
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You mean aside of the much bigger reason, economic relations.
The economic relation argument is not as good as one would think, as history have teach us, like England-Germany before WW1 and France-Germany before WW2.
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Old 2016-12-12, 07:56   Link #2634
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You mean aside of the much bigger reason, economic relations.
Regarding economic relations...Difficult to say. Economical potential of Russia is the highest for sure. Then I think either China or USA. Maybe USA the second in the end.

Russia is strong. Too bad there was not anybody who was able to completely realize its potential. Stalin made an attempt but was not able to finish it. And next leader - Khrushchev - started the rollback of all Stalin's policies and in the end every other leader just made attention only to foreign affairs. Russia has a lot unexplored territories, some regions has harsh conditions (well people live under -40C and everything is fine though) and of course it is vast. Also as people usually live under more severe economical conditions than Europe it has a strong society. It is also homogenous.

Generally China has problems with food supplies and it might play big role in the conflict. Also it also relies on the support of its people. If people suddenly lose faith in their government - there might be civil war and due to population - possible on world war scale inside the country. Its millitary is not that strong but it is trying to copy it as close as possible to modern standards. Its population is extremely homogenous. But in the end everything might be futile if its population turns away from the government. Paper tiger that is it.

Strong point of USA is that it does not rely on population to fight in wars. But its society is rather fragile. It might burst into civil war due to some pathetic reason. (imagine stopping Iphone supplies - it would be epic ololol). But at the same time it won't affect its army. Which is good too. Basically army and population in USA - are separate entities more or less - it can be compared to mercenaries. If USA relied on its population - it would be in deep trouble as its society is extremely heterogenous. USA is huge...but unfortunately only Navy part stronger than Russian. USA used to fight overseas. But in the end it might take quantity over quality approach against Russia.
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Old 2016-12-12, 21:00   Link #2635
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Trump scares me a lot-I really don't think the idiot will be able to do even a third of what he said he would during the campaign without getting assassinated or impeached but still......! All the recrapacans want to do is repeal everything Obama did-biggest on the list is Obamacare. Ask them what they'll replace it with and all you'll get for an answer is a bunch of hemming and hawing-they don't have any answers. God help us all!!
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Old 2016-12-13, 03:04   Link #2636
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So Trump's choice for Secretary of State is the CEO of ExxonMobil. Who's got great relations with Putin it appears. And so much for draining the swamp.

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It be like if the United States still in the 1950s claimed Cuba as a protectorate, territory, or even state, and the Castro regime had toppled a US appointed governor. The Russians provide aid and keep the Americans away, and now decades later the US still claimed Cuba and the world has to conform to that even though Cuba is still getting arms from Russia. This isn't all that far off, but Cuba is an independent country with a trade embargo from the US due to the US not caring for the Cuban government. The US Naval base located there is on a long term lease still so that is contractual.
That's as poor a comparison as I've ever seen one in that regard. At least find some semblance in situation, pull a FRG/GDR, pull a North Korea and South Korea, but just don't pull something just for the sake of fitting your narrative.
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Reports from the US suggest Donald Trump is struggling to find A-list stars to perform at his inauguration.
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Old 2016-12-13, 04:13   Link #2638
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Maybe should be moved to `silly/odd news` topic.

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Grammy-winner John Legend, who has been a guest of the Obamas several times, says he is "not surprised at all".

"Creative people tend to reject bigotry and hate," he told the BBC.
Who is that? Well a lot of modern stars were extremely pro-crooked and pro-LGBTQ so now wonder that won't accept.

He should go with something more epic - with symphonic orchestra instead
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Old 2016-12-13, 06:40   Link #2639
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Iran's President Hassan Rouhani has ordered the head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran to start planning the development of nuclear marine propulsion in reaction to what he called the United States' violation of the nuclear deal.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7471566.html

welp...
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Old 2016-12-13, 06:53   Link #2640
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Maybe should be moved to `silly/odd news` topic.


Who is that? Well a lot of modern stars were extremely pro-crooked and pro-LGBTQ so now wonder that won't accept.

He should go with something more epic - with symphonic orchestra instead
Well, other than Clint Eastwood, nearly all of Hollywood and entertainment business played cheerleaders for Hillary. And embarrassed themselves as a result when Trump got elected. Its no wonder Mark Whalberg said that celebrities should learn to STFU about politics, especially when elections are around.
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