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View Poll Results: Code Geass R2 - Episode 25 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 791 | 63.74% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 163 | 13.13% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 95 | 7.66% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 67 | 5.40% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 17 | 1.37% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 18 | 1.45% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 7 | 0.56% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 7 | 0.56% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 4 | 0.32% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 72 | 5.80% | |
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2009-04-15, 05:57 | Link #5422 | |
Logician and Romantic
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Within my mind
Age: 43
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Living with one's past can be difficult. But Lulu is not the type to take the easy way out.
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2009-04-15, 06:16 | Link #5423 | ||
Shameless Fangirl
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Germany
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I mean... it would be so ironic, and living with his past for all eternity (if we take the immortality route) wouldn't exactly have been his ideal happy ending. But I also think C.C. would have given him a quick slap on the head, and then he would have pulled himself together. They were accomplices, after all - they would have managed. Quote:
Lelouch admitted himself that there might have been other ways, yet he chose Zero Requiem because of his pride and guilt... and because he's always had a flair for the dramatic. You can totally see that he and Clovis are related. xD
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2009-04-15, 06:23 | Link #5424 | |
Logician and Romantic
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Lulu never actually placed his own survival very highly. It never mattered to him whether he lived or died, what's important is that "things get done". In the case of Zero Requiem, his staged death was a minor side effect, rather than the intent goal. As such, should heaccidentally survive, Lulu would have no problem with it as long as the Zero Requiem worked as it should. The man's got his priority right.
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2009-04-15, 06:34 | Link #5425 | |
Shameless Fangirl
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Germany
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Zero Requiem was for the sake of the world, yes, but Lelouch could have found another way. He just didn't want to, even though that meant making his best friend kill him and leaving a lot of people behind - especially Suzaku and C.C., because he had pushed everyone else away already; or at least, he thought he had. Lelouch had to work around a lot of issues right from the very beginning, starting with his immense hatred for his father. After everything that had happened, it's not surprising that when he had the chance to end it all in a fitting manner that would accomplish his goal, he took it. I agree that he wouldn't have just killed himself. But I also think Zero Requiem was his personal happy ending - not despite his own death, but because of it.
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2009-04-15, 06:39 | Link #5426 |
differently sober
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Italy
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Nogi, you mean, the dear old "bitchslapped to sanity"? =P
yeah, Vallen, you do have your share of a point in saying that Lelouch is a pragmatical one, that's why I agree that he won't get bathshit crazy if he'd ever wake up alive. Still, he'd have had to live with his guilt and unable to tell the truth to his dearest one, so he'd have had his part of punishment also in that scenario. Anyway, I was proud of him enough with Lelouch planning ZR, him dying for real or surviving it, it doesn't change anything, his starting intentions and the determination with wich he carried on with his plan is what showed me his change of heart, the maturity he finally achieved, and what made me think that the ending of Code was great. Edit: yes, soulmate, that's why you are my soulmate... <3 |
2009-04-15, 06:51 | Link #5427 | |||
Shameless Fangirl
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Germany
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Exactly! xD
Errr... well, not literally. But I think Lelouch would need someone to remind him that a plan gone awry, even in that particular case, doesn't mean the end of the world. Not that he'd have cracked and become an immortal version of Mao, but we all know that he's quite good at moping if he wants to be. xD Quote:
He could have learned to live happily or at least contendly, but only after a short stage of... depression? Lelouch can get very emotional - he just gets over it rather quickly in most cases. Quote:
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2009-04-15, 06:58 | Link #5428 |
Pon pon pon
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Rio
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I think Lelouch surviving would change the ZR, and for worse. I mean, he would be the biggest asshole in the series. The fact that he would imprisoning Suzaku in Zero's role for life(and believing he killed his best friend), when Lelouch was out there selling milk or stuff... It would be horrible for Lelouch as a character. At least Suzaku should know if Lelouch is alive or not.
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2009-04-15, 07:05 | Link #5429 | |
Shameless Fangirl
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Germany
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I could see him making an exception for Suzaku, but I wouldn't blame him if he didn't. Suzaku has been through enough already, and learning that the best friend he killed - who also happens to be Euphie's murderer - is still alive might only make things harder for him.
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2009-04-15, 07:15 | Link #5430 |
differently sober
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Italy
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But, you know, Kid Ying, what has been done cannot be undone, and if Lelouch didn't planned to survive ZR - and I can't see him planning it in any possible scenario, that's for sure - then he'd have made Suzaku Zero already in the moment he realized that things went not as he planned.
And Suzaku is not the kind of taking back his own word, although, I agree with you, if he was alive, at least Suzaku should know - Nunnaly and Karen, I don't know. Crack-wise, I can see immortal!Lelouch chasing ZeroZaku here and there, plotting all the most crazy plans to not get discovered by anyone, in order to try to persuade him to give up on his self-immolation as the Hero of Justice, and Suzaku stubbornly refusing to listen to him... that would make a good third season. =P |
2009-04-15, 08:58 | Link #5431 | |
Logician and Romantic
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Within my mind
Age: 43
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And Suzaku could STILL refuse this job if he wants to. He just have to fake Zero's death, or even train a replacement. Suzaku is a masochist anyway, so he is probably enjoying his new identity.
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2009-04-15, 09:05 | Link #5432 | |
Pon pon pon
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Rio
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For the cases of Nunnally and Kallen i don't think Lelouch should tell about him. Both of them are living a happy life, but would thrown all of it in the dump to stay by Lelouch's side. |
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2009-04-15, 11:46 | Link #5433 |
I change anime endings.
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Well, if you want to laugh, I made this "horror" after R2 ep.19 and I had hit enough the real ending:
http://sabrinaonline.altervista.org/...sta_ht/cg1.JPG http://sabrinaonline.altervista.org/...sta_ht/cg2.JPG http://sabrinaonline.altervista.org/...ht/cgeass3.JPG Making a translated summary, britannia empire gone, there's a sort of new republic, japan free, Kallen survived to the war and live with her mother, ougi and villetta annunce their wedding and at last...Kallen had a baby, the father is dead, dead hated by all the world, but she know the truth, the world is saved thanks to him, and she will remember him like the kind man he was. |
2009-04-15, 12:03 | Link #5434 | |
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Haha, it is actually not unfair to word it like this. 8D |
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2009-04-15, 12:19 | Link #5435 | |
Um-Shmum
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: at GNR, bringing you the truth, no matter how bad it hurts
Age: 39
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not cool at all
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2009-04-15, 12:32 | Link #5436 | |
~Hi -mi- tsu des~
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Canada
Age: 39
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What made the ending emotional was the fact that we know he died. We the viewers know the kind of person that Lelouch was, someone who perhaps did not deserve death as well as the people he leaves behind. Nunally realising Lelouch's plan and telling him that she did not need anything other then him to be happy, Suzaku being the one to drive the sword into him and the last exchange shared, Kallen looking towards his body affirming that he is Zero, and the flashback that ends with his childhood images of Nunally, Suzaku and himself as he breathed his last. It ruins the scene if he lived precisely because it would invalidate those images used in his death scene which made it great. |
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2009-04-15, 12:37 | Link #5437 | |
Senior Member
Join Date: Dec 2008
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2009-04-15, 12:46 | Link #5438 | |
Banned
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//i get your point, but it was like a situation, that was, take a step front, drowning-poll, take a step back, cliff-fall-bai-bai. They could have just not moved though, but alas. |
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2009-04-15, 12:52 | Link #5439 |
~Hi -mi- tsu des~
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Canada
Age: 39
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The whole idea of ZR was for Suzaku and Lelouch to punish themselves, and alsmot make the world a better place. But the main point was punishment. I have no illusions that Lelouch would not have been able to make the world a better place without dying but he just chose that route. Suzaku helped because he believed they both needed to be punished. They get to torture themselves and play martyr, Suzaku must have been in heaven. Point is though, Suzaku still believed that Lelouch deserved punishment for Euphie whether he believed Lelouch should die or not.
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2009-04-15, 12:53 | Link #5440 | |
Shameless Fangirl
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Germany
Age: 33
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Having Lelouch come back saying: "You know, that hurt a bit, but I'm kind of immortal now, so... how have you been?" would be something he'd have to come to terms with first. I'm aware theye didn't blame each other for anything anymore, but seeing how Suzaku is still very big on masochi-... errr... duty, he might need a bit time to adjust. And even then, it would all be a bit weird. So I'm not sure if Lelouch would want to come crashing back into his life if he wasn't needed. That, and he tends to underestimate his own value to those close to him... even though I think it might be different with Suzaku, since they understood each other so well.
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