2009-06-22, 11:49 | Link #62 | |
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2009-06-22, 12:10 | Link #63 |
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Looking at the choices in the opening post for series that are somehow destroying the industy:
There's one that's not even on the air yet and was announced a few hours before this topic opened, one that I will say is, yes, very sexual, one that's actually an OVA (and therefore, more leeway with what it can get away with anyhow), and the last two, despite the fanservicey overtones, actually did a decent job of moving their story along at a good clip. What a completely random selection. |
2009-06-22, 12:40 | Link #64 | |
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2009-06-22, 13:32 | Link #65 | |
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I'll just say that it is the same old shit. I don't mean just the "another fanservice anime" but the same old cry about the decline of the industry. Twenty years later we will forget about them and watch this decade through the pink glasses of nostalgia. Just like the former decades of anime and because PINK GLASSES are so convenient. |
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2009-06-22, 14:20 | Link #66 | |
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2009-06-22, 14:39 | Link #67 | ||||
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I'm trying to wrap my brain around the notion that you can "abuse" anime ...
I've yet to see an anime based on Tezuka's work that I'd rate better than average to bad. And now that I'm already guilty of lèse majesté: same holds for Matsumoto Reij and Go Nagai. And don't let me get started with anything Gundam. On the other hand I haven't watched any of the anime you linked to beyond episode 2 or so. Because IM not so HO they sucked. Still, I watch a lot of anime. Morale: There must be anime beyond Sekirei and Tezuka Osamu somewhere. Quote:
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2009-06-22, 15:10 | Link #68 |
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The fact is its buisness, plain and simple the media industry globally is suffering heavily because of increasing attacks from the internet.
In the past the media would of been far more willing to take risks on projects it was a more reliable media landscape, people had to rely on the mass media because publishing anything was highly expensive. But then the computer comes along and changes everything, its like buying a tv then the company throws in the film studio, a transmitter, a radio (plus studio), a printing press and a phone. The media is competing directly with the people that used to be a part of their audience and even when people watch there shows many choose to watch it online which means the networks loose out on advertising revenue and dvd sales. tv/films/radio/books all have to be hits because their making back the money the studios spent on making and advertising every project that failed and in this economic enivroment if something is a hit it has to be a blockbuster. The fact is they've worked out a model that increases the odds of something being a hit product so their going to use every trick in the book to maximise profits because right now their fighting for their survival. Theres no place for art in the media anymore. |
2009-06-22, 20:21 | Link #69 |
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@Slice of Life: Tezuka-heika's best works have never been animated. In fact, his title is "God of Manga", and that is the medium where he really, really shines. On Nagai Go, heh, show me a faithful adaptation of his manga works and I'll show you Japanese heart attacks en masse.
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2009-06-22, 20:37 | Link #70 | |
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So I lol'd at the title and came in and what do I see? A block of text ranting about Tezuka something something ecchi fanservice anime something something. I admit I may be a bit slow in the head right now after a particularly bloodthirsty session of Football Manager, but I don't really get much of it.
I get that the OP doesn't like fanservice anime, badly written ones, the moe trend, or a contracting animation industry in Japan, but that's about it. How is this new news, and how is it such a big, overwhelming controversy that will blow my mind with its awe-inspiring, thought-inducing controversial controversiness? Quote:
Oh, you mean abusing a medium. Well, that's a little more complicated. The closest thing I can get from his point is that the medium isn't being "used to its full potential," which is both extremely vague and can be said of every medium out there. |
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2009-06-22, 21:46 | Link #71 |
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On the contrary it's live and well .
Anyway if someone has been looking at anime as a source some kind of intellectual stimulation or form of art well then I suggest them to watch something else.
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2009-06-22, 22:42 | Link #75 | |
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Back then, foreign sales were higher, and the R1 industry was healthy enough to directly contribute to the financing of some of those series. Back then, it was more feasible to make anime that wasn't directly intended for hardcore Japanese otaku, because they were likely to make up the difference in overseas licensing and sales. But ever since we the overseas fanbase became more interested in making excuses to stick to fansubs ("waah waah, dubs suck, subtitles are too ugly, DVD resolution is too low") instead of supporting the kinds of shows we liked, those kinds of shows have dwindled away. Now, I'm not trying to say "I'm perfect and you all are a bunch of dirty pirates," because I'm certainly a dirty pirate as well. And I'm not saying that nobody here buys any anime, because I know they do. What I am saying is that we as non-Japanese fans need to take a look at ourselves and our actions, and what role they've played in bringing things to the state they're in today. Personally, I don't mind the Kanokon/Yumeria/Magikano/Sekirei/(anything based on visual novel) types of anime. In fact, it annoys me more when I'm watching a fun and sexy fanservice series that kills the mood by actually bringing some serious plot in. --------------- tl; dr -- You can't blame studios for creating anime for the fans who actually buy it. |
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2009-06-23, 00:14 | Link #76 |
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@Zalis:
Your post convinced me to do a little looking around on the anidb calandar, and I want to ask: Am I the only one that thinks that when it comes to moe and fanservice, there was a much more noticeable increase in such material between 2002 and 2004/2005 area than there was between 2004/2005 and now? I'm also curious as to whether anyone thinks that factors such as rising production costs and the switch to shorter 12-13 episode runs have an influence... I've noticed that a lot of fanservice series are a) 12-13 episode and b) often come across as quite low budget (Akikan anyone?). Edit: and by the same token, when was the last time anyone greenlit an 74 episode epic like Monster? You don't see many 50+ episode shows anymore. |
2009-06-23, 00:24 | Link #77 |
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Most of the TV shows that people refer to as "classics" were created as children's shows. (Gundam, Macross, Yamato, City Hunter, Candy Candy, Orange Road, etc. etc.)
There are still plenty of children's shows being made today, and they're tamer than they've ever been (lol @ Dragonball censorship); watch those and be happy. The late-night otaku market evolved from the OVA market, which has always been full of sex and violence. You're only just now noticing in the 21st century because the internet has brought it to your attention. |
2009-06-23, 03:00 | Link #78 | ||
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Overall per year.. this is just my guess, maybe the fan-service has increased in the past 2 or so years, but certainly not by any amount to really displace all other types of content. Now if you include "anything not serious", ok you might have a case depending on how you define serious.. but in my opinion, entertainment, whether it is considered art or not, no matter the genre, no matter if it is commercial or free, is meant to be emotionally stimulating first and foremost. That it can also be intellectually stimulating is only a bonus. |
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2009-06-23, 09:08 | Link #79 |
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Maybe we can agree that the April startes are a sample for the full year? In that case, the TV shows of the even years 2000-2008 are here:
2000, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008. Not all of them where subbed or licensed of course, I'd even go and provide a list without the unsubbed "noise" if that helps. I also would say that the stuff that is associated with the "hugpillow hugging 20-yo Japanese otaku" was already around in 2002, long before the US bubble burst. (2006 was the last year when the US industry was licensing stuff left and right IIRC). One should not forget however that almost everything we watch are otaku shows (or shows for children and otaku) and the few mainstream shows typically don't make it here. Look at the lists by yourself and answer these questions:
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2009-06-23, 09:50 | Link #80 | |
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Anyway, I may respond to the other questions when I have more time. For now, I'm just going to say that I didn't really realize how much "hugpillow" stuff there was around by 2002. And ironically... one of the two shows I've seen from April 2000 is responsible for kicking off the harem boom. |
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