2010-11-22, 20:06 | Link #22 |
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More like aids Madara so he can get his revenge on everyone in Konoha. Then he betrays and kills Madara. At least that is what Sasuke is thinking. Sasuke's objective is to make everyone pay that he feels slighted Itachi in his demented mind. And then restart the Uchiha clan. He can't do that with Madara around. He still doesn't know about Madara's Eye of the Moon Plan or Madara's intention to give him to Kabuto. But he knows he can't trust Madara. Kabuto, Madara, and Sauske are all snakes who are going to stab each other in the back at some point. But for now, they have a common enemy in the Alliance.
The big question is whether Sasuke will kill in this war? The rookies were saved from that becuase of the zombies and Zetsu clones. But Sasuke's potential targets are all human. |
2010-11-22, 20:35 | Link #23 |
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Gaara was probably appointed commander in chief because he is a kage and he was the kage that could be spared (probably the weakest kage).
Looking at all the team leaders and young punks in command, I'm thinking that these are the grunt army. There are probably some hidden and unannounced elite squadrons that are being taken care by the experienced and stronger guys/jounins. The real life analogy would be infantry (young punk army) vs commandos. |
2010-11-22, 23:12 | Link #24 | |
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Shikamaru is not the "official" leader of the division. Gaara is the division general. Shikamaru, as his girlfriend Temari put it, the de facto leader for strategies and everything. You do not have to listen long to Shikamaru to realize that his tactics and strategy and implementation are absolute top tier with no one to match it with. You are definitely right, it is for the fans. You are right that people that do not know Shikamaru and only see his age, profile, and mission history, will not be impressed. But the same can be said about lots of rich young folks. Look at the creator of Facebook? It is hard to imagine him at that age to be that successful and so visionary. I think Shikamaru is one of those cases. Not sure why I'm such a huge advocate but that's my argument for the suspended belief why Shikamaru makes a very believable unofficial division leader and strategist in the minds of young and old folks alike.
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2010-11-23, 12:48 | Link #25 | |
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We've been told Kakashi is smarter than Shikamaru, though. If Kakashi is smarter, surely there are plenty of other Jounin also more intelligent than Shikamaru. I'm not really complaining - it's sort of illogical, but realistically we'd have to see tons of all-new characters that we don't care about. All the advisers and commanders should be people with experience fighting wars, but then we wouldn't care about them. Zuckerberg was just lucky, though. :P He didn't do anything amazing (or even new.) He was in the right place, at the right time, and he knew the right people. That's more often than not much more important than what you're actually capable of. Maybe we could say this is true of Shikamaru too, since he is on good terms with Tsunade. |
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2010-11-23, 14:34 | Link #26 | |
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And i think all this means that there will be 2 battlefields, one where the main alliance army will fight and one where B, Naruto and the 4 kages will fight. This also means that there can be 4 outcomes, or even 8 outcomes: the main army can lose or win, Madara can take both Naruto and B, or Madara takes only B. The worst for Madara would be to not take any demon and to also lose to the army. I think the main army cannot lose, simply because that would mean the death of many named characters like Sakura or Hinata. Here i'm assuming that the Zetsu army would kill and eat them all if they lost and also that they would not run away if they are about to lose. Naruto being taken also seems to be an impossible option, since he is the main hero, and there's noone who would save him. Except if Kabuto would save him for some secret reason. Another possibility would be that Sasuke saves him, but for that Sasuke would have to undergo a huge change during this war. A possible chance is if Naruto choses to save his comrades in the war instead of fighting Sasuke, and then Sasuke follows him, which leads them to Itachi, and Itachi+Naruto might be able to begin a change in Sasuke, that change can later develop Sasuke to decide he will interrupt the demon extraction process and save Naruto. But the most likely is that B will be a casualty of this war, since Kishi will not allow Madara's failure at this point, and B does not have plot shield like Naruto. Also i expect that if the main army is losing this war Naruto will appear to save them, but that also means that he will not be taken. This war will be a lot of fun to watch, there are so many possible ways for the story |
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2010-11-23, 14:50 | Link #27 | |
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I highly doubt Kakashi has an IQ that's as high as Shikamaru. It was only a statement said by Naruto who just happens to be fighting Kakashi in a training at the time and exhausting his energy. I doubt that was an actual proper assessment like how Asuma gauges Shikamaru's intelligence. As for the luck element. I'm sure that is part of it too. Shikamaru knows how to "social network" in the Naruto world.
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2010-11-23, 17:28 | Link #28 |
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Raikage will shine. Since he is supreme commander he will be given an epic battle with either sasuke/maddy. I want to also see him zip around the battlefield WTFPAWNing all the little zetsu's
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2010-11-24, 13:42 | Link #34 | |
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2010-11-24, 14:34 | Link #36 | |
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Naruto also said Kakashi was better at taijutsu than Lee. Of course Naruto was comparing Kakashi to the Lee of two and a half years earlier. Well the third databook has Lee at 5 for taijutsu and Kakashi at 4.5. Kishi clearly set Kakashi at the beginning of Shippuden as a measuring stick the other rookies would pass by in their specific fields.
Shikamaru is smarter and a better strategist than Kakashi. Sasuke has a better Sharingan than Kakashi. Kiba is a better tracker and has a better sense of smell than Kakashi. Rock Lee is better at taijutsu than Kakashi. All these characters are not as experienced as Kakashi. But they have surpassed him in their specialties. Quote:
Look at Gaara. Gaara should NOT be leading anything. I don't care if he is a Kage. But it doesn't matter. This is not being written as a real war. It's written to entertain. So Gaara all of a sudden is General George S. Patton. And as a few others have already pointed out, Shikamaru is going to prove himself much more capable than some experienced jonin that lacks an over 200 IQ and his hax wisdom. Do you really think he is going to fail near the end of the manga and get his girlfriend with the fan and fat friend killed? All the attention will be on the kids pwning. Look at the Ambush Division. The attention is on Kankuro, Sai, and Omoi. All teenagers. None of whom have been to war. The Sand invasion doesn't count. But they are the focus over some random jonin fodder no matter how experienced they might be. |
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2010-11-24, 14:58 | Link #37 |
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^Kakashi was never really a measuring stick for the rookies; he's a measuring stick for the villains. Every good villain has to down Kakashi, and then we know they are a serious threat and when Naruto (or Sasuke) defeat them later the victory means something...
That being said, Kakashi is one of the few "Jack-of-all-Trades" Shinobi in the series. Lacking specific specialties, he ranks as one of the highest Shinobi solely due to his complimentary abilities/techniques. What he lacks in Taijutsu, he makes up for in Ninjutsu; what he lacks in raw strategic ability, he makes up for in experience, "outside-of-the-box" thinking, and a Sharingan; what he lacks in tracking he makes up for with Summoning; etc. Amongst the rookies, only Sasuke and Naruto can defeat him, and that is due mostly to overwhelming power. |
2010-11-24, 15:43 | Link #38 |
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I personally wouldn't call giving shikamaru an important position in the platoons fan serive..
The fan service part is the fact that apparently shikamaru is really as smart as he was made out to be. he isn't only the smartest of konoha, but also of the other villages. But in the real world geniuses are born aswell... So why can't some character in a manga be? Nobody found it weird when mozart got the chance to present his theatre piece to some few kings at the age of 10 Let alone 16-18(age of the current rookies) its a perfect age to be sent to war.. Period in your life when you are most fit and ready for war |
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Age and experience shouldn't be that big of an issue when you really think about it. It's not like they're kids being drafted out of high school. These are youth who've trained to be killers and assassins almost since the time they learn to walk. 13 years is old enough to become an ANBU captain. Can you really call foul on a 16 year-old leading troops? The former rookies lack war experience, however as ninja they do have combat experience. Some of them actually have a distinct advantage since they've fought against Akatsuki who make up a good part of the opposing army. If the platoon find themselves faced with Kakuzu or Pain, Shika will be one of the few that has an idea of what the enemy is capable of and how to deal with it.
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