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pr0ject_2501 · 2004-06-09, 20:41

why can't I open .avi files with my Animation Shop 3 by Jasc Software?
I could before on a different/cheaper computer.

Cruzz · 2004-06-10, 02:21

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Originally Posted by pr0ject_2501

why can't I open .avi files with my Animation Shop 3 by Jasc Software?
I could before on a different/cheaper computer.

If you get a "cannot read video data" error, it's most likely because you are using ffdshow. Animation Shop uses vfw codecs so ffdshow won't work with it.

pr0ject_2501 · 2004-06-10, 02:56

where could i get vfw?

Jinto · 2004-06-10, 05:54

Well the question should be like this... "Where do I get codecs that actually work with vfw?" (video for windows, old 16bit media codec container/framework).
Nearly all the newer codecs use direct show the 32bit version of vfw, so I doubt you'll find many codecs that will work with your video/animation editing tool. Or you need to preconvert the file in a format which can be read with both direct show and vfw codecs/filters (i.e. indeo 4/plain true color).

_Sin_ · 2004-06-10, 07:22

I don't know if it is relevant, but VirtualDub refused to open files when I had ffdshow installed only. Installing Xvid (Koepi's Build) solved the problem. Why don't you try that?

Cruzz · 2004-06-10, 08:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jinto Lin

Well the question should be like this... "Where do I get codecs that actually work with vfw?" (video for windows, old 16bit media codec container/framework).
Nearly all the newer codecs use direct show the 32bit version of vfw, so I doubt you'll find many codecs that will work with your video/animation editing tool. Or you need to preconvert the file in a format which can be read with both direct show and vfw codecs/filters (i.e. indeo 4/plain true color).

Cough. You would be wrong in this case. A large portion of codecs have both a vfw component (used by, for example, virtualdub) and a directshow decoder component (used by media players mostly). Also, vfw is definitely 32-bit (back in the old days of windows 3.11 it was 16-bit but it got revamped for W95.)

I guess I should have been a bit more elaborate in my first post: right now most "real" codecs for windows are vfw. Ffdshow is not a codec per se, it's a directshow decoding filter (newer versions also have a vfw encoding module)

Random vfw codecs:

Xvid
Divx
Windows Media 9

Jinto · 2004-06-10, 11:20

Hm yes I should have been better informed and a bit more exact in the formulation, so they still implement vfw, which is core 16 bit, means all what the framework/API supports is optimized for 16 bit processing (which is not necessarily bad). Bad is that Microsoft does not support vfw any longer (that was what I read in some article), but there are still many tools in use which use vfw (like for example Vdub). Afaik many codecs have/had strange bugs when used in vfw mode instead of direct show (i.e. blocking and stuff). I assume newer releases of codecs support vfw better now.
In the case of too many FourCC (4 character codes) = too many registered codecs or just one codec which doesn't work, the vfw will only load a part of all the codecs, to erase the malicious codec might solve the problem then. I had this on my PC too, so I deleted some unnecessary codecs in the registry and it got better. However, I prefer the direct show codec(part) instead of the vfw codec(part)... (except Xvid -koepi- <= equal)

pr0ject_2501 · 2004-06-11, 00:37

Maybe an new animation program would be simpler to solve my problem.
Any suggestions on what I could get? Hopefully something that is free and downloadable.

Rico · 2004-09-18, 20:26

I tried Koepi's Xvid, but when I rebooted and tried to open some frames of DearS, it didn't work on Animation Shop for some reason and gave me the same "cannot read video data" error.

2004-06-09, 20:41	Link #1
pr0ject_2501 Shadow Star Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: in a place where no one can motivate me Age: 36	Animation Shop 3 why can't I open .avi files with my Animation Shop 3 by Jasc Software? I could before on a different/cheaper computer.

2004-06-10, 05:54	Link #4
Jinto Asuki-tan Kairin ↓ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Fürth (GER) Age: 43	Well the question should be like this... "Where do I get codecs that actually work with vfw?" (video for windows, old 16bit media codec container/framework). Nearly all the newer codecs use direct show the 32bit version of vfw, so I doubt you'll find many codecs that will work with your video/animation editing tool. Or you need to preconvert the file in a format which can be read with both direct show and vfw codecs/filters (i.e. indeo 4/plain true color). __________________ Folding@Home, Team Animesuki

2004-06-10, 11:20	Link #7
Jinto Asuki-tan Kairin ↓ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Fürth (GER) Age: 43	Hm yes I should have been better informed and a bit more exact in the formulation, so they still implement vfw, which is core 16 bit, means all what the framework/API supports is optimized for 16 bit processing (which is not necessarily bad). Bad is that Microsoft does not support vfw any longer (that was what I read in some article), but there are still many tools in use which use vfw (like for example Vdub). Afaik many codecs have/had strange bugs when used in vfw mode instead of direct show (i.e. blocking and stuff). I assume newer releases of codecs support vfw better now. In the case of too many FourCC (4 character codes) = too many registered codecs or just one codec which doesn't work, the vfw will only load a part of all the codecs, to erase the malicious codec might solve the problem then. I had this on my PC too, so I deleted some unnecessary codecs in the registry and it got better. However, I prefer the direct show codec(part) instead of the vfw codec(part)... (except Xvid -koepi- <= equal) __________________ Folding@Home, Team Animesuki

2004-06-10, 02:56	Link #3
pr0ject_2501 Shadow Star Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: in a place where no one can motivate me Age: 36	where could i get vfw?

2004-06-10, 07:22	Link #5
_Sin_ Member of the Year 2004! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: "And if thou doest not well, _Sin_ lieth at the door."- Genesis 4:7 Age: 39	I don't know if it is relevant, but VirtualDub refused to open files when I had ffdshow installed only. Installing Xvid (Koepi's Build) solved the problem. Why don't you try that?

2004-06-11, 00:37	Link #8
pr0ject_2501 Shadow Star Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: in a place where no one can motivate me Age: 36	Maybe an new animation program would be simpler to solve my problem. Any suggestions on what I could get? Hopefully something that is free and downloadable.

2004-09-18, 20:26	Link #9
Rico Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004	I tried Koepi's Xvid, but when I rebooted and tried to open some frames of DearS, it didn't work on Animation Shop for some reason and gave me the same "cannot read video data" error.