Claymore Chapter 120

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by Throne Invader

Ahh I just requested a name change

I remember you used to be Amoredoll before that one .

As for the ending, I used to feel the ending was coming soon as well, but now that's changed....the thing to keep in mind is that the Staff's demise doesn't signal the end of the story; there's far too many things in the air for the story to simply end up like that - plus, with the right developments, it could easily be stretched further if the Org are still on the island, but merely fragmented now that they lost their dominance/authority.

Their's a million and one ways the story can end or stretch further on - whatever happens though, I don't want the story to be stretched on just for the sake of it and/or to the point that it's unrecognizable (hence why I'm not crazy for the mainland). In that sense, the earlier the series ends, the better; while I want the story to go on for much longer, I don't want it continue "just because".

[Claymore!]

I think that the manga will end not long after Clare kills Priscilla. I would like a few more chapters after the big fight that they will have. I would also like to some chapters with Clare and Raki together. Maybe Some chapters that would be a good way to end story.

[Ulquihorror]

only 48 pages????????????????????

[Ryus]

Originally Posted by Ulquihorror

only 48 pages????????????????????

I blame Skyrim for my lack of joining in this chapters debate... hell I'm only on my PC atm since I'm playing the Star Wars The Old Republic Beta (which sucks btw, but for some reason i keep hoping it will get better ). If not for that I would be playing Skyrim even still and be back on here around Wednesday/Thursday looking for the new spoilers then.

[Gooral]

If chapter wouldn't suck that hard maybe there would be more people willing to discuss it. Among those who rated 8 or higher maybe 10% decided to justify their actions. Still the number of views is quite impressive, there were many better chapters where that number was only just above 30k.

[Double_friedman]

Any new spoilers? This is the worst time of the month: when I am aware that Claymore still exists and that there are some days before the out date :/
Whatever, I am hoping Roxanne doesn't lose her personality.

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by carbontaxes

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Wow.....

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The irony is that I'm probably the only one who thinks it's actually been a very productive month -- honestly, this has been the best chapter thread in a long long time in my opinion; even more so because of the irony that, many like Gooral, disliked the chapter.

Really, from the hilarious sex-filled chat-room like responses in the beginning, to the various discussions this month (including my beauty pagent-like take on "who's the new Ghost leader"), I haven't seen this kind of enthusiasm around here in a long time --- and again, it's all the more ironic considering a large number of people disliked the chapter.

Regardless of whether or not this chapter was any good or not, because there are those who did enjoy it, I personally enjoyed this month's discussion(s) very much -- here's hoping that spark of energy only continues to regrow again; we may just get the fun back into this place, just yet.

Originally Posted by Claymore!

I think that the manga will end not long after Clare kills Priscilla. I would like a few more chapters after the big fight that they will have. I would also like to some chapters with Clare and Raki together. Maybe Some chapters that would be a good way to end story.

I agree on that point -- If Priscilla dies, the ending had better be somewhere close, because it would be stupid for the manga to continue to be stretched on long after she dies.

It's not favoritism; I've made this point many times before - she's very important not for who she is, but what she stands for; as one of the final bastions who's been around since the very beginning. I've said that I don't want the story to progress until it becomes unrecognizable from what it was -- killing off Priscilla, and seemingly concluding one (not the main) of the biggest conflicts in the whole story, and still continuing the story for a long time to come....that's exactly the recipe needed for me looking at volume 1, then looking at the current chapters/ending, and wondering "what the hell happened".

[Double_friedman]

Originally Posted by Shiek927

Wow.....

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The irony is that I'm probably the only one who thinks it's actually been a very productive month -- honestly, this has been the best chapter thread in a long long time in my opinion; even more so because of the irony that, many like Gooral, disliked the chapter.

Really, from the hilarious chat-room like responses in the beginning, to the various discussions this month (including my beauty pagent-like take on "who's the new Ghost leader"), I haven't seen this kind of enthusiasm around here in a long time --- and again, it's all the more ironic considering a large number of people disliked the chapter.

Regardless of whether or not this chapter was any good or not, because there are those who did enjoy it, I personally enjoyed this month's discussion(s) very much -- here's hoping that spark of energy only continues to regrow again.



I agree on that point -- If Priscilla dies, the ending had better be somewhere close, because it would be stupid for the manga to continue to be stretched on long after she dies.

It's not favoritism; I've made this point many times before - she's very important not for who she is, but what she stands for; as one of the final bastions who's been around since the very beginning. I've said that I don't want the story to progress until it becomes unrecognizable from what it was -- killing off Priscilla, and seemingly concluding one (not the main) of the biggest conflicts in the whole story, and still continuing the story for a long time to come....that's exactly the recipe needed for me looking at volume 1, then looking at the current chapters/ending, and wondering "what the hell happened".

Priscilla's going to be killed by Raki. He will cut her head while she's distracted...nothing . And I did enjoy reading claymore, but that doesn't mean I think this chapter was very coherent or even good. I do like reading Gooral's opinions.

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by Double_friedman

Priscilla's going to be killed by Raki. He will cut her head while she's distracted...nothing . And I did enjoy reading claymore, but that doesn't mean I think this chapter was very coherent or even good. I do like reading Gooral's opinions.

I'm not even gonna start on the how, much less the why, on that theory . I guess anything's possible though if the right events lead up to it.

I think everyone's opinion's are worth reading, though I can see why frustrations can sometimes lead to explosions like carbontaxes just now .

[Claymore!]

Originally Posted by Shiek927

I'm not even gonna start on the how, much less the why.

The Why is because priscilla is evil and she tried to kill Clare. Raki will do anything to protect Clare. Priscilla really wants to kill Clare and Clare really wants to kill priscilla, but if Raki chose to side with priscilla in a battle like that (or like what happened in the Anime) it would be pretty stupid. Besides Priscilla has already said hat she has no more use for Raki, do you really think that she wouldn't kill him to get to Clare? Why would Raki side with a monster over Clare (possible his future girlfriend ) anyways?

The How is...
I don't know, maybe something interesting

I agree on that point -- If Priscilla dies, the ending had better be somewhere close, because it would be stupid for the manga to continue to be stretched on long after she dies.

You mean WHEN she dies right? What would have been the whole point of a revenge plot if Priscilla wasn't killed? She needs to die for the story to end. That has been the main plot from the very beginning. She needs to be defeated. Just like Miria needs to destroy the Organization and Clare needs to be reunited with Raki.

[TheRussianMeatClob]

Lol everyone knows that Clare and Priscilla will fuse and then trick Raki into getting close to them then eat him.

[claremore]

Originally Posted by Claymore!

You mean WHEN she dies right? What would have been the whole point of a revenge plot if Priscilla wasn't killed? She needs to die for the story to end. That has been the main plot from the very beginning. She needs to be defeated. Just like Miria needs to destroy the Organization and Clare needs to be reunited with Raki.

I actually think that priscilla will be saved by clare in some way.I think rafaela's mistake was killing her sister, thinking she could not bring her back. and that's what she wanted to tell clare, that killing pris is a mistake because she can save her. I kind of don't want priscilla to die either

[Claymore!]

Originally Posted by claremore

I actually think that priscilla will be saved by clare in some way.

Priscilla will be saved, by Clare killing her. After all before she awakened that's what she wanted. She would have preferred death over becoming a monster. So, death in itself would be a sort of salvation for priscilla. Like with Ophelia. She knew that she was a monster and allowed (to some degree) Clare to kill her. That was her salvation. In death she was free. Free from the curse of being a monster.

[claremore]

Originally Posted by Claymore!

priscilla will be saved, by Clare killing her. After all before she awakened that's what she wanted. She would have preferred death over becoming a monster. So, death in itself would be a sort of salvation for priscilla. Like with Ophelia. She knew that she was a monster and allowed (to some degree) Clare to kill her. That was her salvation. In death she was free.

that's true, but what makes me think otherwise is the fact that rafaela was trying to stop her (or at least that's how it seems to me). And look what became of rafaela's decision to die killing her sister, the destroyer. So I get the feeling that rafaela is stopping clare from doing the same thing as her

[Claymore!]

Originally Posted by claremore

that's true, but what makes me think otherwise is the fact that rafaela was trying to stop her (or at least that's how it seems to me). And look what became of rafaela's decision to die killing her sister, the destroyer. So I get the feeling that rafaela is stopping clare from doing the same thing as her

I honestly don't see how you came to that conclusion. I don't know what you are even talking about.

Rafaela didn't know that her decision would create the destroyer when she did it. And if anything, Rafaela is helping Clare to kill priscilla. Who knows, maybe the destroyer is sucking priscilla's yoki away like a parasite so that she becomes weak. That way Clare (and possible the destroyer) could defeat her more easily.

[claremore]

Originally Posted by Claymore!

I honestly don't see how you came to that conclusion, or what you are even talking about.

Rafaela didn't know that her decision would create the destroyer when she did it. And if anything, Rafaela is helping Clare to kill priscilla. Who knows, maybe the destroyer is sucking priscilla's yoki away like a parasite so that she becomes weak. That way Clare (and possible the destroyer) could defeat her more easily.

I always felt bad for priscilla after all. I would rather she become human again than just being killed as the awakened being she is. So I'm trying to think of how that might be possible.

[Nixl]

Originally Posted by Gooral

If chapter wouldn't suck that hard maybe there would be more people willing to discuss it. Among those who rated 8 or higher maybe 10% decided to justify their actions. Still the number of views is quite impressive, there were many better chapters where that number was only just above 30k.

I would disagree Gooral, whether some believe the chapter sucks or not has very little bearing on the amount of replies. . Miria's "death" brought a lot of replies even though many thought it sucked.

There is not a lot to talk about from this chapter since it was pretty straight forward. It was pretty simple and direct through and through, which is not the best for ongoing mass debates that do not derive from off topic discussions.

[Claymore!]

Priscilla turning human again?

That is way Disney-ish. This is a dark manga, I highly doubt that will happen.

[claremore]

Originally Posted by Claymore!

Priscilla turning human again?

That is way Disney-ish. This is a dark manga, I highly doubt that will happen.

Not necessarily, what if clare were to die in that event, not that I would want that to happen. Anyway, I just hope Priscilla doesn't die because of clare getting her revenge. I just don't like that outcome for some reason.

[Shiek927]

Originally Posted by Nixl

I would disagree Gooral, whether some believe the chapter sucks or not has very little bearing on the amount of replies. . Miria's "death" brought a lot of replies even though many thought it sucked.

There is not a lot to talk about from this chapter since it was pretty straight forward. It was pretty simple and direct through and through, which is not the best for ongoing mass debates that do not derive from off topic discussions.

This is true -- in terms of chapter threads, this is one of the more memorable in recent memory...but of course, most of that discussion wasn't about the chapter itself since, as you say, it was a straightforward action-chapter with very little in actual discussing.

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Claymore!, We'll see what happens....as I said, with the right answers and right explanations, anything is possible....Solace made a rather interesting post for example on souls which could explain how a biblical-like rebirth for her, and several others, could be possible, though I disagree.

And while this is indeed a dark manga, as you say, others like Gooral have noted that it's not as dark as it used to be unfortunately....not that it's no longer "dark", though I guess it depends on how 'dark' you want it to be.

As for Rafaela, I always believed in Cyclone's theory that she attempted to save her life (Luciella) and didn't kill her, or had any intention too - what he said made too much sense on too many issues - at the same time though, I'm not crazy about it because it also makes Luciella to black/white (Rafaela basically carried her humanity, so AB Luciella was essentially a humanity-less monster etc) and I hate such simplifying -- I hate simplifying almost anything in this story, especially the more ambigious things like Awakened Beings, which unfortunately, people are all too quick to not think outside the box.