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View Poll Results: Code Geass R2 - Episode 19 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 294 | 62.96% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 93 | 19.91% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 40 | 8.57% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 21 | 4.50% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 7 | 1.50% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 1 | 0.21% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 0.21% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 1 | 0.21% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 1 | 0.21% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 8 | 1.71% | |
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2008-08-20, 18:01 | Link #1581 | ||||||
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Sure we all knew he wasn't going to die there, and I agree that it was to set up Rolo, but I do not agree that it was somehow out of character or incorrectly done. I was completely unsurprised by the course of action the Order took. As I said, this is a conflict of preference not presentation. Just because I like the scene makes it correctly done for my taste, since you do not like it it is not to your taste. This is a question of jaded views and preference nothing more. Quote:
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As for Diethard, did you miss the fact that he was the one who tried to stand up for Zero? The man was the least taken by Schneizel's bullshit but when the majority rules he had little choice. Hence why he was holding a camera, not a gun. The man had his own initiative, he did not care about Geass, he just had his story. You're stretching this to make it overly negative when there is enough presented for one to easily argue that what occured is easily feasible. I'm also at work. |
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2008-08-20, 18:25 | Link #1582 | |
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Diethard just decided to end the story with Lelouch's death since all of the evidence presented is pointing at Zero (He would be betrayed as well for getting info. from Jeremiah and Viletta without telling them, as you can see from the expressions of Toudou, Chiba, and Tamaki). Unfortunately, both sides fail to grasp the big picture and Lelouch's side of the story. It's like the witch-hunt all over again because of Geass' unnatural powers and Zero's past actions of killing both friend and foe. I wouldn't be surprised if there are deserters and traitors from both organizations because of being close to Lelouch. We'll just wait and see what these last six episodes will bring. |
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2008-08-20, 18:31 | Link #1583 | |
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I doubt they'll be convinced of anything by Jeremiah. It'd be hard for him to prove it. They'll probably be just as paranoid as they were with Kallen. You have to be pretty far gone to shoot your best pilot and friend.
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2008-08-20, 18:38 | Link #1584 | |
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It's only a matter of time before Saint Schniezel starts peddling his Peace Treaties (I mean before he more or less ordered each nation to surrender or get blown to kingdom come), if he hasn't already. The next target, his Majesty, Charles di Britannia. Go Schniezel!!! Go Kanon!!! Go Cornelia (If you support Schniezel)!!! Lelouch, well, it time for him to do what Suzaku has failed to do time and time again. DIE!!! |
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2008-08-20, 18:53 | Link #1586 | |
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Charles has made it clear that Knightmares, and guns are useless. He's got Bismark, who will most likely not turn against him even if the other KoR do. Not to mention that Ragnarok is probably >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> flaia The only one who can really stop Charles from destroying the world to recreate it is Lelouch, as you need to have been a geass user and attain a certain level to kill an immortal, and at this point Lelouch is probably not even close to being able to kill Charles. |
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2008-08-20, 19:47 | Link #1587 |
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There are three people within the Black Knights who knew Lelouch was Zero before Episode 19 that are moe on Lelouch's side - C.C., Kallen, Jeremiah. Jeremiah is loyal only to those who were loyal to Marianne, so he would stick with Lelouch. Kallen, I think so, she didn't purse Lelouch in the chase with the rest of the Black Knights. Come to think of it, all of them rushing off like that could prove Kallen the perfect opportunity to escape with C.C. And if she wings it with the Guren, there's a significant proportion of the firepower Lelouch would need.
An important thing to remember is the very first episode. When Lelouch saw that crash of the truck, C.C. was sending him psychic flashes, notably 'I finally found him'. C.C. was always seeking out Lelouch. He was always going to be the one who would have the potential to stop Charles. C.C. knew Marianne and probably had ties of friendship and perhaps loyalty with her. And she took the bullet for Lelouch in that episode. Plus during that episode, behaviour happened which contradicted his behaviour in 1-3. He ditched Rvalz, shunned Shirley except for when she was useful, used the guerillas like mere pawns and referred to them as worse, he used Geass to learn Kallen's secrets rather than rely on trust. However, with C.C., when he first saw her like that, he didn't know she had the power to give him Geass. He didn't know C.C. knew his mother. At that point in time, using Lelouch's state of mind and the way he regards other people, there was no logical reason for him to save C.C. He did it out of compassion, because he was damned Britannia was going to kill an innocent person. As for other innocents in 2, he didn't take that opinion. Heck, he even scoffed at Suzaku rushing to saving that falling woman and her child. Yet he tried to protect C.C., regardless of knowing nothing about her. The bond between those two may prove telling yet. |
2008-08-20, 19:58 | Link #1588 | |
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Who knows what Schniezel is capable of. I wouldn't completely write him off. He'll give Daddy all he can handle (or not). Geass out of the equation, both him and Lelouch on an equal footing fighting daddy, hmm... I'd hop, skip, and jump behind Commander Schniezel. Unfortunately, it's Lelouch's Rebellion. I'm not deluding myself into thinking Schniezel will be on the one to end big Daddy. I just hope that when all is said and done, the right guy is ruling the world. Not Lelouch or Charles... ...Also, let poor Suzaku finds a good woman. He needs someone to get his mind off of killing all those people. I hope Anya will be up for the job. Or any woman for that matter. If all else fails, Gino can give it a try.... Last edited by Dyllani; 2008-08-20 at 20:14. |
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2008-08-20, 20:07 | Link #1589 | ||||
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2008-08-20, 20:18 | Link #1590 | |||
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@Var - As you may or may not know I'm not a huge fan of superquoting because it's quite easy to just say the opposite of a quote, but this is so much $hit I might have to break that rule a bit...I'll ignore your points via proxy as I'm more interested in debating you..If wanted to debate him or her, I think we know I'd do it...
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Your point is because it happened, that is the indicator for why it happened (Which in my view doesn't exist in this episode)...My point is the reasoning behind it happening skipped some letters in the alphabet to keep the indicator hidden just enuff for the plot-twist...CG DOES THIS CONSTANTLY...Do I really have to go thru the list of how many times this show gives sketchy or non-existent details to hide the twist from the audience(Not that it always does a great job)... Quote:
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Past actions by Schnizzle only serve as a template for viewing and//or comparing the current situation DEVOID of the actual content to truly know the answer...You're claiming to know the answer when there is no real answer...The literary answer is a clear scenario-creation with the expressed ideal of creating an overly dramatic moment that engages the Rolo plot twist...Because any smart idea that supports your questions has Schnizzle killing Lulu immediatley...Even after Kallen walks away you have more than enuff time to kill him if that was your expressed mean... It was a set-up, which betrayed the character flow because it skipped a step...If it doesn't skip the step there is no surprise moment with the BK's surrounding Zero with guns blazing...That's why it was OOC because it gives us two pieces of bread (The negotiation is one slice, the BK killing squad is the other slice), but it skimped on the meat...Now show me the slice of meat that connects the sandwich? That's right your piece of meat is in the fridge, otherwise known as offscreen...My point has always been that the disconnect between these two events makies it OOC by default...It has no choice but to be... This post is long enuff I'll address your points on paranoia at some point later if I feel like it...
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2008-08-20, 20:35 | Link #1591 | |
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Survival of the fittest. He has nothing to fear, if Schenzeil defeats him then he has every right to succeed to the Throne. Why should he deny that? He taught his kids to grow up this way. |
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2008-08-20, 20:47 | Link #1592 | ||||||
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Now, let's get one point out of the way: I am not arguing against the dramatic set up. Hell if you bother reading the original post I made, I agreed with you. What I have a problem with is that you seem insistent on throwing around the words, or in this case acronym, OOC. That is what I disagree with. I am not sure why you find it so hard to believe that a man who can, after being surprised be able to so quickly pick himself up and act is not the equivalent of someone smirking like a moron. A smirk does not have to imply that the man has a plan up his ass, he could simply be amused. Another form of showing, guess what, surprise. Someone who is able to recover from a situation quickly is usually assumed to be someone with ammunition in his gun. Further this into the fact that it is Schneizel, a man who plans for everything, and I do not see how his ability to regain composure so quickly does not raise even the slightest flag that maybe, just maybe, he has other plans whirling in his head. So again, as I said before, you are pushing your perspective onto something as if it were law. There are many ways to show that a character is planning something aside from smirking, uncanny composure happens to be one of them. Moving on, as this is clearly becoming pointless. Quote:
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2008-08-20, 20:55 | Link #1593 |
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Wow so you're a real life Doogie Houser MD, huh? That's kinda cool...LMMFAO....
You might have to wiki that to get the joke... I don't need to last longer, my posts are literary viagra... After dinner perhaps I'll save you a little meat to complete your two-slices of bread analysis... Til then don't get a 3rd degree on my a$$... (Oh BTW I'm actually eating dinner...)
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2008-08-20, 21:00 | Link #1595 | |
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I'll be looking forward to your reply, though I will likely not to reply until tomorrow as I have to get some sleep before my next 6AM-6PM data collection shift. I'll likely have my Masters in Physics before I finish Japanese at the rate these retarded classes are becoming available and due to my inability to leave the lab for Study Abroad. I'm... half asleep next to an AC unit keeping me awake. |
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2008-08-20, 21:17 | Link #1599 |
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Survival of the fittest and tough love huh? Charles seem focused on going forward to the future instead of dwelling on the past. All he has to do is to initiate Ragnarok so a new world will be born at the cost of the old world.
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