2009-03-10, 11:09 | Link #1621 |
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Eh? The whole Ranka and Brera plan thing again? I do believe Ranka had things planned out in advance, but I don't get why people are arguing about this to begin with? Whether she did or she didn't plan this out with Brera, why does it even matter? Who cares? I think I better go back in this thread and see why on earth this even started....
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2009-03-10, 15:36 | Link #1624 | |
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Insulting other people's favorite characters? Really? I could have sworn that you've insulted my favorite character plenty of times. |
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2009-03-10, 16:16 | Link #1625 | |||
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The point with the flight starts with this page:
http://forums.animesuki.com/showthre...57#post2210157 Posting #1824 about the points that magnus posted... here are my answers: Quote:
There is no point to argue here. Whether by those who oppose Rankas character nor from those who are siding with her or people inbetween. Quote:
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Summary at all: point d.) and e.) are the only part where we can only guess. No ones win. There are still some people here who are trying to tell that all was planned by both. As a proof that the flight was only intended by Ranka but the preparations were taken by Brera alone, look to the following episode. Leon and Grace had a conversation about Breras action. and magnus... most of the people who posted here the last threads are getting tired to argument because some of you are talking around and also not letting other thoughts through here. Sorry to dissapoint you on but I am not easily to be shut although you wished for it. As long as I do not receive an infraction or warning from a mod I see my thoughts and posts as welcomed. When I brought the flight discussion up again it was first meant a joke because I tagged a "" at the end.... I guess I make some more smilies or even better I highlight everything so everybody see that it was only a joke and nothing more.
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2009-03-10, 16:39 | Link #1626 | |
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"Is calling your favorite character dumb not incentive enough?" But thats beside the point. I don't know if you have figured out already, if I insult a certain fandom, I do so openly, and I do not hide behind some higher-plane of morality. You can accuse me of being condescending, well, that is because I am. You can accuse me of being an asshole, that is fine. To some people, I may be one. Moreover, I get paid to be one, too fucking bad. But I am not going to say stupid shit like "I am not _insert verb here_ you or your character, why are you _insert verb here_ mine?" Chances are, we are both doing the same thing, its just that I won't deny it. - Tak
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I therefore amend my opinion. Good work on that part. Regrettably, that makes me have even less respect for Ranka, because, as I noted above, she then has no understanding at all for how Alto must feel at this time towards the Vajra. I call that either stupid ( which is actually the more merciful description ) or so emotionally damaged, that she cannot emphatize with other human beings. Quote:
But it took a good while for you to come up with this, and before you were decidedly unconstructive in this discussion. Try to keep discussing with rational back-up of what you are saying, and better conversations will come about.
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2009-03-10, 19:33 | Link #1628 | ||
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2009-03-10, 19:57 | Link #1629 | |
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Moreover, at that time, Ranka has yet to show any signs of recovery, so it is arguable how much she associate the Vajra with the demise of her family. But that is besides the point. Now, onto Alto, why should he suddenly, after witnessing the death of his best friend, comprehend Ranka's reasoning? Why is it that everyone has to consider Ranka's feelings? When was the last time Ranka ever considered everyone's feelings? Has she not been spoiled enough? Did she really have to pick that specific day? Can she not plan it out in a better way? Can she not discuss it with her friends first? Did she really think she can wing this alone? She basically decided to do this in the span of less than a day! Moreover, if she did acquire Alto's cooperation, so what? Do not forget that Alto is only an above-average pilot. This is a man who has the track record for losing more Valkyries than any other pilots in Macross, never mind that he is also subject to many near-miss situations. And I am not even going to get into how difficult it is for Alto to actually jack a VF-171, never mind finding a fold booster. This is of course, followed by a possible duel with Berera and then an encounter with Grace. You think Alto can survive both of them? - Tak
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2009-03-10, 20:07 | Link #1630 |
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At this point Alto is still a member of S.M.S. and has access to his regular VF. There is no need to hijack a VF-171. Also Col. Wilder has once proven that he is also willing risk material for one persons life.
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2009-03-10, 20:23 | Link #1631 | |
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Ranka knows that she couldn't do it alone, hence her decision to ask Alto for help but do you honestly think that someone would be thinking about how many Valkyrie's he's lost and counting how many "near-misses" he's had when Ranka has never been in a battlefield except to sing, but even then I doubt she could even keep an eye on Alto who was flying all over the place. |
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2009-03-10, 20:49 | Link #1632 | ||
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That is, if you still hold on the theory that Berera and Ranka did not plan this thing out in the first place. Sure, Nanase is in a coma and Luca is a major fuck up, but at that point, what prevented her from even contacting her brother for help? With an entire platoon of yes-ma'ams around her, she never lacked anybody to consult things with. The problem with her character lies in some of the decisions and choices she made. Why can't she ever think of anything through? Was it that hard? The options were in front of her, and she can't even consult any of them. Never mind that she tend to exercise a terribly narrow view on nearly everything around her. It is fine and dandy for you to suggest that Alto can borrow a bloody VF-25, but guess what, at that point, Ranka probably saw Alto as the S.m.S and the universe. His actions and words are the manifestation of her little world. With that said, Ranka's lil' scheme would never fly. Quote:
That is, if you believe Banana and Ranka were not involved in the advance planning. Are we to suddenly make Alto bridejacker Yamato? And let us assume he can survive the encounter with Banana (highly unlikely), I wonder how he fares against Grace and the Vajra fleet. Grace has no use for Alto, in fact, she thinks very little of him (if at all), and at her prime, she'd probably just outright kill him. You are welcomed to think of possibilities, but the more I think about it, the more implausible it becomes. - Tak
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2009-03-10, 22:09 | Link #1634 |
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Yeah he was missing. Right before Ranka couldn't sing, Leon had told her that Ozma was missing. After this, she ran into the forest and found Ai-kun and realized that he was a Vajra which led to her decision to leave.
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The second thing is that Ozma for sure would not answer on his cell phone to prevent to be detected. After the funeral her house was under agents investigations - don't know if they are Leons or Graces' goons. I would also say that she tried to contact him via cell phone but Ozma just did not reply or he lost his cell phone.
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And if she actually thought that far about how Ozma would react, why can't she do the same with Alto? This is a creature who just killed his best friend, witnessed by Ranka herself. Can she be so insensitive? Again, if she was clinging to the folly of having Alto accompanying her to the Vajra homeworld, it does not exactly make her character shine in the sense department. But Berera on the other hand, did not really hold much of a grudge against Ai-Kun. He has seen it, and cared very little for it. If Ranka wanted to keep it, so be it. But, according to some, Berera and Ranka's trip was random... ok then. - Tak
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2009-03-11, 20:30 | Link #1639 | |
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Don't you remember ep 5, Star Date, when Ozma and Ranka argue? Oh... That's not the best example I can come up with, right? |
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