To Aru Majutsu no Index II - Episode 19 Discussion / Poll

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by shmaster

Just to let you guys know. There is a certain someone later on who tried to mimic Kihara... but failed. This is ONLY possible for Kihara as no one else knows Accelerator's AIM good enough to make it work.

This is more than superhuman reflex, it is super human reflex AND knowing Accelerator's calculation to the last digit to know how much force should be used and when is the exact timing to pull his fist back.

That's why I say Kihara can't be a normal human....no one who isn't a power user can react so precisely....

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

That's why I say Kihara can't be a normal human....no one who isn't a power user can react so precisely....

Humans can already do some pretty amazing stuff with their bodies.

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Himeji

Great episode
Accelerator actuad goes and gets band-aids for her.
Then he meets Kihara... I was a bit suprised at how easily Kihara did beat up Accelerator - who then used his last power to bring Last Order to safety.



Same here. Heck, that three year old might actually beat them
It looked like they're nothing but pathetic cannon fodder.

They are, I mean

ah..spoilers not allowed..just see...you'll smash your head on the wall in rage. If that skill level is considered elite, then I'd be field marshal now....

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Humans can already do some pretty amazing stuff with their bodies.

Not with that kind of precision...

[Soraya21]

Great episode, the whole vibe of the series feels quite different yet rather refreshing when Accelerator plays the lead & the rain and background does a stellar job in setting up the heavy atmosphere. Though this may be a bit too soon to say, but this definitely is shaping up to be a better finale for Index in comparision to S1.

[DorkingtonPugsly]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

Humans can already do some pretty amazing stuff with their bodies.

that's true but something like this is just physically impossible, but oh well it's fiction so i guess anything is possible

[Kyouka]

the dogs dont have plot armor so they die like flies

[Sigsig]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

Not with that kind of precision...

I think it was mentioned in the ep that Kihara was Accelerator's 'power developer'.. that means he probably knows all the vitals and statistics of his 'impenetrable shield', and might have developed 'anti-Accelerator' tactics before going up against him..
Seems elementary in hindsight though :/

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Think of it this way.

As others have said, he was the one who helped develop Accelerator's powers and therefore knows the inside and out of it.

So for him, countering the tactics is as easy as counting 123 to a smart guy like him who has experience under his belt. The countering would be second nature to him.

However, for someone else to develop the same countering would be extremely difficult even with superhuman reflexes as it's not just that.

But yeah that's pushing it.

[eiyuu99]

Even then, instantaneous going in reverse at skin touch is implausible by human precision.

[kache]

Originally Posted by tsunade666

The range depends on the users will

Spoiler:

in this arc. Vento only targets academy city but as fuze release. She lost control over divine punishment and that leads to a whole world range.

Basically the range of divine punishment is dependent on the users will. It can extend infinitely if needed. So hiding in mars or jupiter wouldn't help you from escaping divine punishment

Originally Posted by shmaster

Actually, Divine Punishment naturally has a stupidly huge range. Vent knowingly use it despite it'll have a global effect.

Does the move stop if the user is killed/defeated?
If yes, considering the amount of magic spells Index knows, isn't it possible to her to kill Vento before that move can damage her seriously?
Or, on the other side, considering Index has the capability to interfere with spells (spell interceptor and probably other spells which use mana), wouldn't it be possible for her to protect herself from Vento's Punishment while attacking (or let someone else) her?

[kache]

Originally Posted by Chaos2Frozen

I notice that compared to western (read; American) shows, Animes don't really have alot of focus/experience/knowledge/advice on military or police tactics.

They're pretty straight forward; The blacker you look, the more dangerous you supposedly are.

On this matter, it would be pretty interesting if Index was a collaboration between a Japanese and a Western author (Clancy or McNab, if possible. ), for all the military behavior and for a lot of other situations where the Kamachi didn't know how to make the characters behave.

[Chaos2Frozen]

Originally Posted by kache

On this matter, it would be pretty interesting if Index was a collaboration between a Japanese and a Western author (Clancy or McNab, if possible. ), for all the military behavior and for a lot of other situations where the Kamachi didn't know how to make the characters behave.

I don't blame him, in the first Index there were only a few instances where the military genre comes into focus.

Nay I thought about this before- The most logical collaboration would be Kamachi Kazuma and Dan Brown lol!

[Cosmic Eagle]

Originally Posted by kache

Does the move stop if the user is killed/defeated?
If yes, considering the amount of magic spells Index knows, isn't it possible to her to kill Vento before that move can damage her seriously?
Or, on the other side, considering Index has the capability to interfere with spells (spell interceptor and probably other spells which use mana), wouldn't it be possible for her to protect herself from Vento's Punishment while attacking (or let someone else) her?

No....In John's Pen mode, she may have something to stop Vento but not in her normal mode.

Thing is, any hostile intent and you are out cold.

[giorno]

Originally Posted by kache

Does the move stop if the user is killed/defeated?
If yes, considering the amount of magic spells Index knows, isn't it possible to her to kill Vento before that move can damage her seriously?

Spoiler:

divine punishment ends if the tongue cross piercing is destroyed, no idea about what happens if vento dies

We don't know whether Index has a spell capable of blocking divine punishment, or if she has something capable of taking out Vento before she's taken out by divine punishment or even at the same time...

Or, on the other side, considering Index has the capability to interfere with spells (spell interceptor and probably other spells which use mana), wouldn't it be possible for her to protect herself from Vento's Punishment while attacking (or let someone else) her?

IIRC, nope, spell intercept won't work against divine punishment

Originally Posted by kitten320

But she will get her time to shine eventually, there is now way she will do nothing in this science mess. So be patient, hope she will actually deliver something exciting^^

meh, what's up with everyone expecting mikoto to get involved in everything? this is index, she's just a side character here, and she's not the science side heroine, either. Science side's hero is Accelerator

if you want Mikoto, read/watch railgun, that's her story

[Stefkov]

Maybe I'm not thinking about this in the right way but there are people who can shoot electricity out of their body (who was cloned 20001 times), change the vectors of everything around them, teleport, etc, and there are also people who can use magic summoning golems, etc, yet people are saying it's impossible for a guy to have some damn good reflexes.
Most of the stuff in this show is impossible, what's one more thing?

[kache]

Originally Posted by Cosmic Eagle

No....In John's Pen mode, she may have something to stop Vento but not in her normal mode.

Thing is, any hostile intent and you are out cold.

What do you mean? If she knew she can use magic she would be able to cast basically every magic she knows from the 100k grimoires, wouldn't she?

Originally Posted by giorno

Spoiler:

divine punishment ends if the tongue cross piercing is destroyed, no idea about what happens if vento dies

We don't know whether Index has a spell capable of blocking divine punishment, or if she has something capable of taking out Vento before she's taken out by divine punishment or even at the same time...

Indeed.

Originally Posted by giorno

IIRC, nope, spell intercept won't work against divine punishment

Because it's not human's magic but angelic magic, right?
Isn't it possible that Index also knows a similar spell that works against angelic magic?

[kitten320]

I'm confused about how Accelerator got hit. I mean, that if you stop moving or bring hand back then you can't hit the opponent unless enemy moves forward... or am I missunderstanding something?

[kache]

Originally Posted by kitten320

I'm confused about how Accelerator got hit. I mean, that if you stop moving or bring hand back then you can't hit the opponent unless enemy moves forward... or am I missunderstanding something?

You retract the fist and the vector field pulls it back in.

[I_am_Kami]

Originally Posted by kitten320

I'm confused about how Accelerator got hit. I mean, that if you stop moving or bring hand back then you can't hit the opponent unless enemy moves forward... or am I missunderstanding something?

Originally Posted by kache

You retract the fist and the vector field pulls it back in.

It's like he said. It's just that kihara is that good