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I really liked their animation work and choices before the first Haruhi (assistance with SoulTaker/Komugi, 2xFMP, and Air), despite being extremely critical today, and ask yourself, what have they been animating these last five years (Munto, Key, three 4-koma, and turned Haruhi into just moe).
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Chidori is another potential issue, while I really like this character, I am sure an agressive tsundere like her will attract a lot more hate than less independent and more submissive eyecandy like Lacus Clyne, CC or Sheryl Nome from rival mecha shows. Another problem is the mecha itself, the arms slaves are practical real robot designs that serve the plot, where a more iconic or spectacular design could have attracted mecha fans in larger numbers. Still it is an excellent anime. It must have been bitter for Kyoani to see more formulaic shows like Geass and Frontier rake in the sales. Quote:
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2011-04-16, 21:25 | Link #425 |
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Excellent points. Never thought about it that way.
While the general demographic has gone towards more lighthearted rom'com's, I disagree that they would be completely off-put by darker series (like TSR). Any avid anime viewer will have a broad spectrum of shows they like. Personally, I dont mind all the JCStaff RomCom's and etc, that are out. I actually love them in contrast to the darker series that I've viewed (e.g. Monster, Black Lagoon, and TSR to an extent). Having a good balance keeps me sane :P Bottom line; in terms of sales and competition, I unfortunately agree that FMP would have to sell abit of its "soul" to attract the wider audience (either through MORE extravagant mecha scenes or moe-comedy). But what separates the franchise is that has earned better positive reviews. |
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2011-04-16, 21:54 | Link #427 | |
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It's just that when talking about sales people like to mention avereage and not total,probably because if we used total 2 cour shows would have an unfair advantage over 1 cour shows,short OVAs and movie.
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2011-04-16, 21:59 | Link #429 |
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Both Geass and Gundam 00 have outsold K-ON! and Haruhi as franchises. And whenever SHAFT get their asses into gear and get to work on the next Monogatari series after the prequel movie that will also easily outsell any KyoAni franchise. Heck I think Bake by itself it has outsold the 2 Haruhi series...
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2011-04-16, 22:26 | Link #430 |
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Code Geass was prime time television rather than late night if I recall correctly. Can't say about Gundam 00, but with that sort of name behind it I wouldn't put it past being prime time as well.
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2011-04-17, 01:02 | Link #431 |
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You have to remember though that most prime time anime make money in a different way than late night shows. Prime time shows like Gintama and Gundam can make money off advertising whereas for late night shows they often have to buy that slot in the first place and make money off dvd sales. (If you see a raw of a late night anime you'll see lots of advertising from the companies related to that anime)
First season of Code Geass was a late night show btw, the second was changed too primetime which imo probably had an effect on the show itself. |
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43,094 2009 K-ON! 41,038 2006 Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu 38,471 2010 K-ON!! 29,149 2007 Lucky Star 24,808 2007 Clannad 23,761 2005 Air 19,884 2008 Clannad ~After Story~ 19,052 2009 Suzumiya Haruhi no Yuuutsu (2009) 18,399 2006 Kanon (2006) 14,641 2009 Suzumiya Haruhi-chan no Yuuutsu/Nyoro~n☆Churuya-san Fumoffu and TSR did not even make it to 10k Quote:
Sorry, but that's what the studio can sell and its fanboys want to buy, just go and check the Haruhi and Key threads and see for yourself. |
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That's the averages per volume, if we compare late night anime franchise totals it's like this:
1)Code Geass (2 x 2 cour): 50,000 x 9 + 43,000 x 9 = 837,000 2)K-on (1 cour and 2 cour ): 43,000 x 7 S1+ 39,000 x 9 S2 = 652,000 3) Haruhi (2 cour + 1 movie): 41,000 x 8 S1 + 19,000 x 8 S2 + 33,000 BD Box + 132,000 movie = 645,000 4) Macross Frontier (2 cour +1 movie) 46,000 x 9 + 36,000 movie 1 (+ 152,000 game version of the movie) = 441,000/593,000 5) Bakemonogatari (1cour) 78,000 x 6 = 468,000 So Kyoani got the number 2 and 3 spots on the totals list. Comments: *numbers rounded to nearest thousand. *counted Code Geass as late night due to its roots, Evangelion, Gundam, One Piece and Gintama are excluded *Macross movie was sold with a PS3 demo through game retail channels as well. Orion excluded it, but I added it to the total. *Haruhi's average numbers are misleading given both seasons only had a DVD release at first. BD-box sales were exceptional and could be added to volume averages as well but I've only included it once. *Bakemonogatari's figures are somewhat unique as well as it sold high numbers of both DVD and BD. Only time will tell if a sequel primarily sold on BD will have similar numbers. *Futher sequels: Macross movie 2 DVD/BD still to be released, K-on movie announced for end of 2011, a Code Geass project in the works. *all data based on Animation DVD sales in Japan thread Animesuki. Average numbers are usefull to gauge the relative performance of individual titles but numbers tend to skew towards OVA/movies. Total volumes in regard to franchises work similar but skew towards longer 2 or 4 cour titles. Quote:
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2011-04-18, 15:16 | Link #436 | |
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KyoAni produced 33 episodes of Inuyasha. If you want to know which episodes they did, open http://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E7%8A%...82.B9.E3.83.88, click 表示, and find 池田晶子. By the way, I have to say ANN's staff listing policy is sick. Too many words for Painting: Digital Paint, Finish, Finish Animation, Cel Painting, Ink & Paint and Clean-Up Animation. Animation used as Animation Production, Key Animation and Inbetween Animation. KyoAni being Production for Inuyasha TV, special and movies. (I suppose it should be Production Cooperation or Animation Assistant.) I can't help but notice those at a glance.
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Code Geass fared lot better compared to either Seed or Seed Destiny then you would expect from the averages. It's 18 volumes off set the lower average. Sometimes it pays off to look at the big picture. 50 episodes of Seed Destiny: 13 x 68729 =893477 Code Geass: 9 x 45367 +9 x 42690 =792513 Seed: 13x 58589 =761657 Yes, it does. It partly explains the high average number, most later BD releases of other anime only had marginal DVD-sales. Another factor is that Bakemonogatari was sold in 6 volumes instead of 7 like Angel Beats or K-on! did. Which lowers it's comparative end total. Don't get me wrong Bakemonogatari was extremly succesfull but I doubt any other title is going to reach those numbers any time soon. The sequel(s) will still have to prove themselves first before the franchise reaches the sales volumes of other top titles. |
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2011-04-18, 20:34 | Link #439 |
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Well in order to better prepare myself for conversation in this thread I watched FMP: TSR.
Now I'm not using this as a place for reviewing that series, but I did like how it was done, and it was certainly a style that I have really yet to see in any other KyoAni work to date. It certainly was very high quality and compares extremely favorably to some of the modern mechas even today (TV series). Though I'm not sure how far I am willing to give them accolades on this front considering that a lot of the mechas that companies like Sunrise make are two cours or more. Regardless it was certainly darker (Though, not extremely so) than any other work they've done. The fact that it didn't sell all too well, combined with the fact that they have yet to do anything quite like this up to this point ever though, only serves to infuriate me more. It just proves to me that they're looking for easy success, and seek to please only one type of fanbase. My original points, save them never going outside their comfort zone, still stand pretty much.
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2011-04-18, 21:26 | Link #440 |
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Companies survive by making money. Most do so by creating a lot of stuff cheaply to get profits on the returns. KyoAni seems to go for high quality popular and survives on those profits instead of sacrificing quality for quantity. When they did attempt quantity the quality dipped slightly (2009), but not by a lot. Thus showing them and their content providers (one distribute content and provide funding) that KyoAni can expand a little bit on the number of projects done at one time...but not by a lot.
So instead of working on four anime (Clannad: After Story, Munto TV, K-On, Haruhi 2), 2 movies (Munto's film and the Haruhi movie), and two web series (Haruhi-chan, and Nyoro~), They are working on Nichijou, and the K-On movie. It is of course possible there is a second series in the works for Fall that we don't know about yet.
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