2010-10-22, 22:14 | Link #82 |
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It probably also lies in the value of the eye: Byakagun must have came from Rinnegan just as the Sharingan came from Rinnegan.
Byakagun: Stops people from sneaking up behind him (even Naruto planning something). Mangekyou Sharingan: time-space ability. Rinnegan: Mastery of all jutsu.
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That said, We've seen several jutsus have an effect on Susanoo. Acid Jutsu (Mizukage) and high levels of taijutsu (Raikage and Raiton armor). Especially Danzou with his wind jutsu who managed breaking through with a little bit of a suction boost. This only seems to setup the hype for Naruto's Rasen Shuriken, which should be able to deal quite a bit of damage to this 'ultimate defense' without having to get close. Also, Madara's intangibility has limits and Konan was able to exploit those limits to her advantage to some degree. If she can do it, I have no doubt the story's hero can as well. No, he is not aware that Kabuto purposely led Anko towards his hideout. Quote:
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2010-10-23, 01:37 | Link #85 | |
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That being said, who’s to say that Madara hasn't planted a Byakugan at the back of his head? Or the top of his head? The eye can see a full 359 degrees after all, so it's not like the eye has to be facing forward... |
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2010-10-23, 02:39 | Link #86 | |
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Oh yea one more thing, before I pass out from too excessive drinking. Wouldn't it be funny if 0rochibuto turns even more into a snake and not have hands lol. How will he be able to do hand seals lol
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Also, I find it pretty pointless to try to analyze different techniques to determine which combination would be the best strategy since strategy hasn't existed in Naruto for a long time. Quote:
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So originally there was the sage of six paths guy, and he made the Izanagi and/or Sharingan. After that he distributed the power to his children or his followers or something who were able to use the sharingan. So how the sharingan works is that you have the basic sharingan, which can copy people's jutsus just by looking at them (still not sure how that works). Then you have to evolve it until you have all three spiral circles to get the final sharingan, but then you have to evolve it even further into the REAL final sharingan by killing a loved one or some shit. After that you get a bunch of arbitrary power-ups based on Japanese mythos, including unstoppable black flames, trapping people in an illusion world, creating a giant buttfuck monster and then turning fantasy into reality. But don't use it too much, or else your vision will get messed up and your eyes will start to bleed or you'll go blind. However, you can avoid this by getting the REALLY REAL final sharingan by taking the eyes of your brother (assuming you even have a brother). Dark Helmet: Everybody got that? Please tell me if I left anything out. Oh, and pretty much every jutsu in this series seems to spring forth from nothingness. How do you explain shadow clones or people coughing up rivers of water? Quote:
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2010-10-23, 04:30 | Link #88 | |||||
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I don't think this detracts from the enjoyment I get reading these fights. Quote:
Meaning I don't really mind either way. These hax have been present from the very first few chapters of Naruto, where Kakashi seemed to have been killed by Sasuke during the bell test only for it to be revealed as a replacement technique and we never see the exchange or get a hint. Where did he get the huge log as replacement anyway? Naruto's always relied on suspension of disbelief and that hasn't changed in part II. Quote:
Ninjutsu (and genjutsu) require molding chakra (whatever type they are), which happens when you take both spiritual and physical energy and basically rub them in together. Molding quality also influences the quality of the jutsu. This is the basics of ninja warfare. (The tree-walking and water-walking exercises were reinforcing those basics) I'm going to talk about ninjutsu, solely. It can be dissociated into two kinds: Yin Yang jutsus are most of the non-elemental jutsus you see. Jutsus such as Chouji's super size, Shikamaru's Kage mane, Ino's mind transfer and the Kage bunshin are Yin Yang recomposition jutsus. This is not an element. These are often Hijutsus, secret techniques guarded by clans. A Goukakyuu (Fireball) is a fire element jutsu. Ninjas often possess one or more affinities to elements and train elemental manipulation to create Elemental jutsu. That's what gives birth to water and fire techniques where the users spit fire or water. Additionally, it's been said that you need to excel at water manipulation in order to use suiton jutsus with no water around to use. I expect that's more of the same for any other jutsu, it is easier to just use something that's already there than to make it from scratch, a bit like Sasuke's Kirin technique. Jutsus of elemental or yin yang nature may be subject to more extensive manipulation: Shape manipulation. Rasengan is ninjutsu, a yin yang jutsu where shape manipulation is pushed to its limits. When adding a wind element to it, you make it into an elemental jutsu. There are more jutsus out there and they sort of fit into ninjutsu but they have different forms of expression. Puppetry jutsu relies on poison and hidden weapons, whereas other jutsus require pacts or deals with insects or animals. Healing has been fairly well explained already, as well as bloodline types: Elemental (Lava == Earth+Fire. Ice == Wind+Water. Wood == Earth+Water), Body (Sakon/Ukon, Kimimaro) and Eye (Byakugan, Sharingan, Rinnegan). Kishimoto has worked hard to make a universe that makes sense, contrary to friggin' Bleach, and it would be great if everyone at least admitted that. Quote:
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2010-10-23, 10:20 | Link #89 |
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Well I think it would be interesting if he had or at the very will attempt to gain byakugan. What we do know is that we have 2 individuals that wanted the byakugan. Danzou attempted to get the byakugan and from what we know the raikage although wouldn't it be interesting if that ninja had actually been controlled to attempt to get the byakugan any ways what I'm saying is that the byakugan was important enough that two characters that were important to the story attempted to gain byakugan suggesting that it is important enough. Let's than mention that kish did add Ao who has a byakugan. He is important enough to actually give the guy a name and being present at the meeting unlike the no name byakugan users of konoha he probably will still be important since he doesn't go far from his late this though begs the question why something like the uchiha massacre didn't happen but than how easy would it be to attack a clan that can see all around the...see chakra coils and some can see chakra points that would allow them to control chakra flow and to see through stuff and great distances any ways its been mentioned that their greatest strength is in a group. What madara really needs is not nec the byakugan itself but needs a byakugan or byakugan user who can see the chakra points so he can increase his powers at least that's how I would make the byakugan relevant
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2010-10-23, 11:32 | Link #90 | ||
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The Sharingan/Rinnegan, by Madara's own words, can create something from nothing but a user’s imagination. Energy is involved, even sacrifice (for the Sharingan at least), but the energy output seems to be far greater than the energy input. It is the true power of a God. That being said, this is getting off topic. |
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2010-10-23, 11:50 | Link #91 |
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I wonder what Madara will do now. Will he actually stop attacking Naruto just because Yamato is around? He really has no use for him, so is it just to delay the epic battle? Is Kabuto secretly protecting Naruto?
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2010-10-23, 12:20 | Link #92 |
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Kabuto is focusing an awful lot on the idea of powering up Zetsu, it will be interesting to see if something truly epic comes from it, or if his plans just fizzle like Kohans did.
Madara mentioning that his left eye wants war could tie into some influence by the 10 tails. To me though, keeping his Sharingan eye cheapens the Rinnegan a bit, it should be the holy grail of this manga but it's being treated as just a tool to validate the Sharingan at this point. The sharingan seems a little irrelevant in the shadow of an eye that basically can do anything and everything with a little chakra and some imagination. If Madara needs a power specific power, think it up. At this point he could Izanagi his entire Moonplan into existence. |
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In terms of DBZ i would say he might turn out to be like Dr. Gero, a man who creates artifical creatures based on super-powered ninjas, and his final creature might be a mix of all known powerful ninjas, something like Cell was in DBZ. When Goku was fighting against the RR army Dr.Gero was just a minor character, he became a major character when he lost his organization, similarily Kabuto was just a minor character before Orochimaru's death, but now that his master was killed he awakened, he found a reason to live. Dr.Gero wanted to kill Goku, and right now it seems that Kabuto wants to kill Sasuke, it's kind of a revenge mission. Quote:
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2010-10-23, 14:35 | Link #94 |
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I think the epicness[sic] Kabuto sees is the chance to control 100,000 Yamato powered up Zetsu clones. He wanted Zetsu for his own experiments, but Madara did a lot of the dirty work for him already with the clones. So he has to figure out how to covertly place something in the clones so they will follow him and not Madara when the time comes.
Then he can have his own race of atomic supermen that will conquer the world. Kabuto has no intention of letting Madara win since that screws with his own plans.
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2010-10-23, 14:36 | Link #95 |
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This is a pretty interesting development as far as the plot is concerned, I just hope Yamato isn't the new damsel in distress for naruto to chase down.
Also Madara having one sharingan and one rinnengan looks painfully stupid, Was it that hard to come up with a new eye jutsu design?
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In order to use Izanagi, does the user have to have EMS or just the "regular" MS is enough? |
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2010-10-23, 23:30 | Link #100 |
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I can see Madara eventually implanting a Byakugan in his forehead and becoming the new Tien just for the sake of completion. His goal is to become the ultimate ninja: he wants to be the 10 tails' jinchuriki, he wanted the rinnegan, and he wants the entire world under his control. Any one of these options by themselves would put him on top of the world. In the end, trying to acquire every power-up in the Naruto world is sure to blow up in his face, but in the meantime, who will he steal it from? Hinata? Ao? Neji? Imagine Neji with an eyepatch.
Hashirama most likely plucked out his EMS eyes and destroyed them in their battle, which is why he's not as powerful as he was then. EMS by itself is pretty hax. Unlimited Mangekyo powers? Come on, what more do you need to destroy your enemies? |
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