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I am always saying the character fits the plot but that is not one of its crucial parts. Like Amy or Randy or any of the TSAB staff. They just fit a role. Amy’s role is just to monitor Nanoha and Fate and handle the consol. I think any other character could fit that post and we lost little there. Graham is the same, and in no way this means he doesn’t belong there, just that he is not the key part. Besides Hayate will be alone even without Graham. I don’t think he kill her family and then plot to make her get the Book. So Graham is needed for Hayate to feel lonely after losing her parents? She could be with a new family and still feel loneliness and emptiness and get the book. Again we are not going to get anywhere, can we just move on?
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2013-02-19, 18:17 | Link #426 |
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Except every character is "just a role". Every character serves a role. But according to you, we don't need roles. Which I guess means we don't need characters.
Except if we don't need characters, then we don't have a goddamn story, now do we?
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And the "you can replace Graham with another general with similar motivations." argument escapes me. Yes, you can replace Graham with another general. I can also replace Nanoha with Suzuka. What do you mean by "just a role" anyway? I've seen you toss around that line as if it means something special. Really? Because until the sound stage translations rolled in, that was one of the biggest questions around here. Quote:
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2013-02-19, 18:34 | Link #429 |
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Well the movie does change events not related to Graham like Fate arriving at Earth early so that alone is a major chance not related to Graham and his plots. So really the changes come also from different story telling all together. And I know what you mean: how Hayate can live alone in that house? Well it just needs to be stay in one line really: “Her parents die and a distant relative sends her money”.
When I say a role I mean he is just there to fit those plot holes you bring if he were not there Keroko. He is just feeling the gasp as the force behind the masked twins. And since he is not a well develop character is easy just to think the story without him. But Nanoha is not the same. In the end Nanoha, no matter what one can think of her, does shows her personality to the audience and steps in to act and be in camera all along. Her nature and images come to mind when thinking of the story and is really not that easy to talk about replacing her as it is with less memorable and a little more passive characters as Graham was made.
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2013-02-19, 18:58 | Link #432 | |
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A friend of mine is kinda had it with you. if you're gonna flame MGLN, go to a forum that does that. or go to 4chan and flame MGLN there...(and waits for someone to blast you with their own flame-throwers). we got haters here but they enjoyed the show. And I think You haven't tried understanding the whole thing and tried to find some materials except watching it as a way to waste time.
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2013-02-19, 19:20 | Link #433 | |
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A familiar is kind of a life-and-death bargain. But yes, his "role" was to be the driving force behind all the events that occurred. That much is true. And in that role, he is essential. Without him filling that role, the story has to be rewritten. Oh trust me, I can. She'll send dodgeball spikes around the globe knocking out Fate and jewel seeds alike, but I can. |
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2013-02-19, 19:42 | Link #437 |
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Keep in mind that if Hayate didn't have the support of Graham, she would have been out on her ass in the street (no money). Probably picked up and stuffed in a Japanese orphanage. Maybe adopted. But she's separated from the book, then.
Even if she somehow kept the book, without money, she gets no health care, meaning no Dr. Ishida. Which means no one is looking and finding out about how the disease is moving up her body. Which means the Wolkies, when they activate, aren't driven to start trying to complete the book. In other words, without Graham, A's never happens. |
2013-02-19, 20:17 | Link #438 |
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The nature of fiction makes the majority of non major protagnist roles are interchangeable. An individual is but one person. If I didn't exist, there would be someone else to fill the gap in this thread. But...
It wouldn't be the same. You can excise Gil, and have a similar story, but the story is fundamentally different. The issue is how much can you change before you have a completely different story, and a lot of people think it would be. It might be of equal quality, but the motives and themes are going to change, particularly around Chrono's involvement in this story. It is fine to say that Gil's character had issues and was definitely the least fleshed out story of A's with rather questionable closure. I hope the intent to remove him is of a meta one, of which the TSAB would not want people to know about his involvement, but that would assume the movies were having this clever gimmick in mind. I just don't know if they're clever enough for that. To summarize, Gil is vital for having A's as we currently know it.
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