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View Poll Results: Shin Sekai Yori - Episode 9 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 14 | 25.45% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 17 | 30.91% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 20 | 36.36% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 2 | 3.64% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.82% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 1 | 1.82% | |
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2012-11-24, 12:40 | Link #42 |
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What if the scene at the Pinewood village was the result from Shun's resistant towards the whole society. They could have asked his parent or the elder of Pinewood Village to apprehend Shun and he might have fought back and run? Or it could have been the genetic deformed cretures that do the deed since human could not harm other human. Shun perhaps was too powerfull for those non-powered to be tackled with so they have to send out the " cats"
I think the relationship between Saki and Maria, Satoru and Shun are real. Since they were programmed to be in the same sex relationship at their age so they´d look for comfort from something that is available, everyone else is doing it. Mamoru on the other hand didn't and as Saki asked him in the other ep of him following around Maria who has already someone instead of looking elsewhere for the other ( like most other people). The Karma Demon story was just the ideology that the elders of the society drummed it to the kids' mind. To prevent the renegrades like Shun. Even if he might be fallen but there would still be the possibility for him to take the other way out instead of wrecking the havoc in the " ordered" society if he still possess some " reason" ( From the elders' pov perhaps) Lots of might and perhaps, lots of guessing. The qulity minght be waning but I am still very much happy that they produced this kind of anime. |
2012-11-24, 15:16 | Link #44 |
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Tremendous, tremendous episode. When Shin Sekai Yori is on its game, it is by far the best thing going.
I've got a really bad feeling about that queerat who appeared just long enough to be noted as they approached Pinewood. It almost has to be related to what happened there. The unspoken rules of what can and cannot be spoken of aloud was finally addressed in the dinner scene, and it was really satisfying. So many things revealed that you just knew had to be the case about how tightly controlled things really are. I liked the imagery of Saki, covered in the muck of reality being unable to bear the sanitized, Ethics Committee-approved small talk. Saki's father, for his part, gave her absolutely nothing to go on, but it still felt as though he was sticking his neck way out there for her sake, just by acknowledging that anything was happening at all. We're starting to get a better understanding of how people can just disappear, and nobody mentions them again. I greatly respect that they didn't overplay or linger too long on the horror of Maria's silhouette at the window. It was a fantastic scare, and by moving along immediately, it left me unsettled and off-balance in a really effective way. It may be worth re-watching the lessons from the first few episodes to see what the parables tell us about the karma demons, and how they're portrayed. The story of the herb-gatherer in particular stands out to me as an example of what extreme lengths children are taught they are expected to go to in order to keep "fiends" from ever reaching the village. |
2012-11-24, 15:19 | Link #45 |
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People, people, the Karma demon is most probably a genetic disease. The minoshiro called it by its scientific name in ep. 4: Hashimoto-Appelbaum syndrome.
Whether they're just using the term "karma demon" historically incorrectly in the anime's time, or Shun actually is suffering from a grave case of H-A syndrome, remains to be seen. |
2012-11-24, 15:50 | Link #46 | |
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2012-11-24, 16:31 | Link #48 | |
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Now that I think about it, maybe there had been previous incidents of the Hashimoto-Appelbaum syndrome in Shun family, and that's why Shun asked the library about the karma demos. If it's true this is a genetic disorder now everything makes perfect sense.
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2012-11-24, 19:24 | Link #50 | |
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It's been heavily implied that something very serious occurs to persons who transform into either a fiend or a karma demon. Something that can't just be the result of an attitude they had in their life. The series aims for scientifically plausible explanations, not mythological ones, so whatever it is that happens when someone goes full karma demon, it's not magic. The only thing that's left is a physiological/physical disease, and it being genetic sounds very probable to me, since there seems to be no external cause that could make someone contract those syndromes in SSY's society. |
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2012-11-24, 19:25 | Link #51 |
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Oh God, the cliffhanger! This became very thrilling. Why can't I have my happy end already? This is not good for my mind. How about Saki saves Shun from becoming a karma demon and they both get together. Then later Maria takes note of Mamoru's feelings and they also get together. Satoru can play sadist with Rei for all I care. So then somehow they are able to overcome all the hurdles they face, unite the different colonies and help the society move into a better direction. And at the end Yoshimi miraculously returns to Saki's household and they all lived happily ever after. No? You don't like that? Me neither, just show us the next episode already!
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2012-11-24, 19:26 | Link #52 | |
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so its not that shun just suddenly turned evil, but more the societty's pushing against him instead ofhelping him combined with all the crap the vilage elders do normally + the info dump slug could have made shun break(although the smart thing would have been to just lay low untill he was an adult, and become part of the ethics committee, find out the truth, and try to change things from there blahblahSpinzakblablahblah It still seems weird, but thinking about what the village does to their children for 1)not having enouh cantus talent(feeding that little girl to the cats) 2)cheating at the werid game(even though the teacher should have just disqualified the cheaters instead of...killing them #whathefu*kshowsomemoderationpleaseassholes etc. . .it makes sense, that the village.society itself creates the karma demons, and they pretty much have to develop the means to contain it. . . Also now that I think about it, that's probably what the author is saying as a theme for the stuff that happened in the old civilazation too, that because the societies were oppressive then, that the pk people were created, and started killing people etc etc end of the world yadda yadda. So I guess that's what Shun's purpose is in the story. . .which is kinda sad cause I like that guy. . .but damn, this is turning into some crazy horror/social commentary stuff here. |
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2012-11-24, 19:34 | Link #53 | ||
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Saki: Maria is my best friend. We make love together sometimes since that's what teenaged best friends are supposed to do in our world. And it helps that Maria is obviously beautiful, so I find the experience pleasant. Maria is one of the most important people in my life. I care about her a lot, and I generally trust her. Nobody stirs me like Shun does, though. My feelings for him run deeper than my feelings for anybody else. Maria: Saki is my most precious lover. She has also been my best friend as long as I can remember. I love spending time with her, and we're inseparable at school. I love all of our exciting and stirring encounters with one another. Saki is a very cute and adorable girl. I have complete trust in her. Saki is the most important person in my life. So, yeah, Maria's feelings for Saki run deeper than Saki's feelings for Maria. I doubt they'd be lesbian lovers if they were growing up as classmates in modern Japan. However, I get the sense that, Shun notwithstanding, Saki is content in her relationship with Maria. If there was no Shun, Saki would be entirely happy with Maria as her girlfriend. As is, though, Saki knows who's first in her heart... Quote:
Do I think they'll last into adulthood? Probably not, but I don't think that makes them any less noteworthy to discuss.
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2012-11-24, 19:39 | Link #54 | |
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You've seen the destruction Satoru could wreak. Now imagine you use your powers so much that they become second nature. Then imagine you lash out when angry... A single slip could be desastrous. Then imagine a very smart boy discovers secrecy but not the secret, and he can't talk about it for fear of prosecution. From episode one, I had the impression that Shun was controlling his expressions much more than any of the others. This may easily lead to stress (estrangement from society, fear of letting the mask slip, etc.) and maybe to paranoid symptoms. Then imagine he gains even more knowledge and has done something forbidden. Even more stress. I think the eye in the egg is a reflection of Shun feeling watched. The stress is taking over, catching up. Shun is becoming mentally exhausted and losing control. That could easily be what people refer to as "Karma demons". What the story about "pride" etc. is warning you away from is, I think, overuse of your powers and use of your powers for selfish motives. If you get used to your powers to the extent that they might become reflexive? A single strong emotion, anger, say, or fear, could have very bad consequences. If social control slips, you get removed, because estrangement makes you more dangerous. Literally. Also, it's possible that children with weak or no powers get removed because they might awaken to them or get stronger later in life, when you're less impressionable. Someone who awakens to the power during puberty, for example, might be ticking time bomb. Or I'm overthinking things. *** Another I thing I found interesting in this episode is the talk about elictricity. Interesting. The setting keeps expanding. |
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2012-11-24, 19:41 | Link #55 | |
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I say: Saki: Maria is my "partner-lover". That is how it supposed to be. She's my best friend and I'm comfortable when doing stuffs with her as dictated by society. But Shun is different from Maria. I always want to see him whether close or far. My heart is throbbing whenever he is around. Yes, i know he is supposed to be Satoru's "partner-lover" but why am I feeling uneasy with them together. What does Shun has that Maria don't. What makes him special than everyone else in my eyes. Now that he broke up with Satoru.... am I supposed to be happy? Shun (holds necklace) where are you Shun? |
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2012-11-24, 19:43 | Link #56 | |
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2012-11-24, 19:45 | Link #57 |
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Guys........
The library critter made it pretty clear that both akki and gouma are scientifically described and studied mental disorders. It's like people in our past thinking someone is suffering the wrath of [insert deity] that they insulted, when they're actually being afflicted by some sort of illness or mental disorder. The disorders passed into legends and folklore, resulting in all the talk about demons and cautionary tales - and there's a reason for all this. Obviously these disorders a bit fantasy due to the psychokinesis powers and messing around with human genome/mental development, but there's no ~magic~ involved. |
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2012-11-24, 19:57 | Link #59 | ||
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Well... during the Saki/Maria love scene of Episode 8, I never got the impression that Saki was just "going through the motions", so to speak. And there was one scene where Saki made the first move for a kiss, not Maria. So I think that Saki finds it... pleasant. Your "comfortable" probably describes it just as well though.
Saki is content and generally happy with Maria. But Saki wants Shun, and wants nothing more than to be with him. For Saki, it's like a lowkey romance vs. Romeo and Juliet. The difference in degree is massive. Edit: Anyway, I don't find any of this perverted. It's just normal romantic passion. "Perverted" would be if Saki had erotic pictures of Maria all over her bedroom wall. So no, I don't think that Saki is perverted. Quote:
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That being said... Saki is a teenage girl. Who do you think means more to your average teenage girl in the heat of the moment: Their father, or the guy that they're madly in love with? So I'm willing to cut Saki some slack here. She blew up a bit at her parents not out of any disrespect or lack of love for them, but out of deep, passionate concern for Shun.
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2012-11-24, 20:01 | Link #60 |
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Many mental diseases have genetic causes. And again, the fact that he was so interested about the subject since he was a kid leads me believe he already suspected that it was that sort of disease and that he was at risk of being afflicted with it.
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