Kanon - 2006 - Episode 14 Discussion / Poll

[guuchan]

Well, the hair color does match, and it's possible that the elder sister matured earlier, plus...

Spoiler:

What'cha think?

[Merridew]

I think the eyes look the same. The two in the flashback have dark eyes with a blue light coming from within them, and Kaori in the first episode has that same colour.

[MakubeX2]

Too much reading into just a single scene.

If anything, it's just foreshadowing Shiori's tale.

[Kinny Riddle]

Originally Posted by guuchan

Well, the hair color does match, and it's possible that the elder sister matured earlier, plus...

Spoiler:

What'cha think?

Good job for noticing that.

Spoiler for the other pair of siblings:

"Kaori" (let us assume it is her) matches the features of Shiori's hand drawn portrait when she was young. Though I had no idea Shiori-chan would grow pigtails in the past. Looks like Nayuki wasn't the only one to discard pigtails as she grew older.

[Ascaloth]

Careful, Kinny. We're sliding dangerously into spoiler territory here. You don't want to be docked rep by our esteemed fellow FPB now, would you?

[toxic_trance]

All i would like to say is that the age gap between the two is just 1 yr...Shiori couldnt possibly be that underdeveloped..just not possible.

[Kinny Riddle]

Originally Posted by Ascaloth

Careful, Kinny. We're sliding dangerously into spoiler territory here. You don't want to be docked rep by our esteemed fellow FPB now, would you?

I don't need you to tell me that, I was already editing the post BEFORE your post when the site failed to load, as typical to all users affected by the Taiwan quake internet traffic jam.

[Ascaloth]

Originally Posted by toxic_trance

Spoiler for toxic's spoiler:

All i would like to say is that the age gap between the two is just 1 yr...Shiori couldnt possibly be that underdeveloped..just not possible.

Careful, toxic. FPB is on the prowl, and he's trigger-happy when it comes to docking rep; if in doubt, put it in spoilers. As for my answer to your statement...

Spoiler:

Shiori's sicker than you imagine. Most people have theorized that she has a heart problem. It's entirely possible, at least to my reckoning.

[nani]

Nice job, KyoAni! An excellent episode.

Nothing new to say except a minor rant. I am pleasantly surprised to find that Sayuri's story is covered and then (unpleasantly) surprised to find her story last for 1/4 of an episode . I know she's not the main heroine, but covering her story in less than 10 minutes is very rushed. Given that there are a total of 26 episodes, surly KyoAni can spare a bit more time?

Spoiler for game material which is left out:

IMO, if they have explained Sayuri's role in causing her brother's illness, that will significantly increase the "impact" on her story.

Originally Posted by Ascaloth

As for my answer to your statement...

Spoiler:

Shiori's sicker than you imagine. Most people have theorized that she has a heart problem. It's entirely possible, at least to my reckoning.

Spoiler:

Didn't her problem only begin/worsen one or two years ago? She shouldn't be that affected in the flashback (assuming it was her).

[Shiroth]

Originally Posted by nani

Spoiler for game material which is left out:

IMO, if they have explained Sayuri's role in causing her brother's illness, that will significantly increase the "impact" on her story.

Spoiler:

Like you said, Sayuri's backstory needed much more time, maybe a episode just for her - then if that happened, then we would have got the reason behind her brothers illness. Shame it wasen't added..

[Skane]

Time management issues, I guess. After all... we still have Shiori, Nayuki and Ayu left to cover. With only 10-12 episodes left( and Mai's arc is not done yet!), the schedule is pretty tight.

Sacrifice one of the main heroines for a sub-heroine? Not going to happen.

Frankly speaking, I am thankful that they decided to show Sayuri's story at all( even if it is not the whole nine yards).

Cheers.

[Shiroth]

Like i've said before - any part of Sayuri's story is needed for the completion of Mai's. So its understandable that she'd get this much air time, its just that some of us wanted more when there is more to be told.. though its not always needed.

[Ascaloth]

Don't lose heart, mates!!! We can still expect OVAs from KyoAni.

EDIT: And, I just realized something. When was the last time we saw fanservice in this rendition of Kanon? As far as I can remember, that would be all the way back in Episode 1 with Nayuki and her pretty little bra......and that's it. KyoAni's series has been pretty clean up to now.

Kanon sure has come a long way from it's h-game days.

[FatPianoBoy]

Originally Posted by Ascaloth

Careful, toxic. FPB is on the prowl, and he's trigger-happy when it comes to docking rep; if in doubt, put it in spoilers.

It would seem I've become notorious
At least it's good to see that I'm doing some good, although nothing that's been said recently, short of when Shiori got sick, I'd count as a spoiler. Now, if it had been said what her illness was, what caused it, or how serious it was, then yeah, I wouldn't have been too happy. But showing the two sisters in the background? How can it be a spoiler if it was in the episode, guys?
Although I do appreciate the consideration, there's no need to walk on eggshells

[toxic_trance]

Thank you FPB....seeing all these warning posts kind of freaked me out.

K..one doubt...in the end..how did Yuichi feel the presence of the second monster...arent they invisible to him. Only Mai can feel them right. Yuichi in the last scene turned around because he felt a second monster encroaching upon him from behind...

[Devil Doll]

Originally Posted by toxic_trance

K..one doubt...in the end..how did Yuichi feel the presence of the second monster...arent they invisible to him. Only Mai can feel them right. Yuichi in the last scene turned around because he felt a second monster encroaching upon him from behind...

Even Sayuri reacted somehow when the monster attacked her. Seems these visual distortions aren't that "invisible" after all. (The question of the visibility of these demons caused the biggest confusion for me in this series so far, and it was the main reason why I was very hesitant about liking this series until episode 12.)

As for Sayuri... half an episode for her but five for Makoto is a pity. I'd trade one fox for one episode about Sayuri's parents... "do that for me" at Kazuya's sickbed was all we got to see about their attitude, plus one line at the grave. And if they were so graphically explicit about Sayuri's blood in the present, then why not in the past?

We know Shiori attended school on the first day of the school year, so her condition at this point in time apparently must have been good enough to make this a plausible decision.

[FatPianoBoy]

Originally Posted by Devil Doll

As for Sayuri... half an episode for her but five for Makoto is a pity. I'd trade one fox for one episode about Sayuri's parents... "do that for me" at Kazuya's sickbed was all we got to see about their attitude, plus one line at the grave. And if they were so graphically explicit about Sayuri's blood in the present, then why not in the past?

Well, I think that Makoto was the main reason for this remake, as I've heard people talk of the '02 series saying that they really didn't have time to care about Makoto at all. Still, I do think they could have spent maybe one episode less on it; it does drag a bit from the point when Yuuichi starts staying home with her until episode ten.
Like has been said before, we've got ten episodes left. Be glad you got any Sayuri at all this time around :P

[monir]

Originally Posted by Ascaloth

Don't lose heart, mates!!! We can still expect OVAs from KyoAni.

I don't think KyoAni will have to move into that direction as I saw from their past two series: Suzumiya Haruhi and FMP 2nd Raid. There were a lot of concern as well from the fans at episode 12 of FMP 2nd Raid, as to how the show will have a satisfactory closure in the one remaining episode. Similar concerns were expressed for SH as well. With this many episodes left for this series, KyoAni may even snick in a filler episode because there are just too many episodes to work with.

[Raniie]

Indeed, the FMP: TSR is a good example of KyoAni's work. That last episode was extended a few minutes more than the other episodes to be able to bearly fit nearly everything in. I don't think we'll see such a problem here, but if in any event we do, I'm sure KyoAni will take the appropriate measures to explain what's needed to be explain, while pleasing the fans at the sametime. We also did get an OVA for TSR, too.

Anyway, back on topic, anybody notice the re-used frame in this episode? The same exact scene happened on episode 08 at 05:55 re-appeared in episode 14 at 05:40. I thought that was kinda interesting..

[Skane]

I strongly doubt there would be any filler, given the current break-neck pace of the developments, and the sheer amount of material left to animate. If anything, I think it is an indication that they are running out of time.

Originally Posted by Raniie

~ Anyway, back on topic, anybody notice the re-used frame in this episode? The same exact scene happened on episode 08 at 05:55 re-appeared in episode 14 at 05:40. I thought that was kinda interesting..

Throughout Kanon, there has been tons of reused layers and frames. Many of the CGIs also get recycled( the tram being an obvious example), with their skins just changed.

The thing is, KyoAni spaces them out and/or uses them for comedic effect, so the viewer does not get the feeling of the 'Slideshow Effect', unlike some anime series where they whore the same scene over and over, and over, and over, and- etc... again.

Cheers.