Macross Frontier - Episode 24 Discussion / Poll

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Originally Posted by ipernorris

You guys forgot they have the option to call the NUNS from Earth as well. Of course I implied that, but I have to point out it seems...

Leon has already vetoed the idea of calling in support from Earth, with the implication that he can't rather than won't. The secondary hidden agenda of the attack is recoup his losses/cover up his misdeeds, so more likely than not, getting an outside force to intervene will bring up lots of unpleasant questions, and that fleet might not be guaranteed to be on his side.

Not to mention Earth might not be keen to involve itself in a war of annihilation with a race of beings that can fold space perfectly at will. They even turned down Max Jenius' similar request for assistance against the Protodevlin.

The last time they used DEs as planet busters against the Vajra at Gallia IV was completely uneffective as well, and that was a surprise attack.

[ipernorris]

Originally Posted by Wesley84

Well there is the matter of pride...

Pride huh?
I think it's better to have Vajra gone for good than some stupid pride thingy!!!
I don't think Vajra can survive a supernova...

Anyway Leon saw some destroyed buldings on a screen, were they image of the wrecked colonies or buldings on the planet?!?

Originally Posted by glyph

Leon has already vetoed the idea of calling in support from Earth, with the implication that he can't rather than won't. The secondary hidden agenda of the attack is recoup his losses/cover up his misdeeds, so more likely than not, getting an outside force to intervene will bring up lots of unpleasant questions, and that fleet might not be guaranteed to be on his side.

I was talking from a military POV... not survival/political POV...

[aneeshadc]

@ golthin
Thnx for the klan monologue translation.

And I dont think Sheryl was hoping for a confession at all, you do realize she believes alto loves ranka. That's why she wants him to save ranka so that alto can make his final choice b/w the two of them properly. I think she was touched when he says that he's realized that he's not flying alone anymore or something to that effect & maybe this even gave her a bit of hope that she had a real place in his heart somewhere. So she wanted a real decision from him again after all the fighting was over & all three of them were safe. But she was already prepared to give him up. A confession was not what she was looking for there, IMO.

Also, I like that he said "wait, sheryl, I..." much better than "But" because there's more protest in that than there would have been in a "but".

[Tsukiyomi]

All i have to say is i'm not liking how this series is ending so far...

it's like.. oh btw Sheryl is related to the Nomes (even tho we already guessed so)

it seems that the character of Sheryl really has become very unimportant except for being there and having some physical connection to previous Macross series...
I really liked the character development when she found out she was going to die and she sang for all those ppl in the shelter. But they seem to really be going in the wrong direction here afterwards...

[FLCL]

absolutely fucking blown away

sheryl won.....amazing
great battle scenes

Id vote a 15/10 if i could, the whole songs plus scenes was incredible, the cliffhangar GAH THIS IS AMAZING

sheryl divebombing into the stage basara style was incredibl

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by glyph

Leon has already vetoed the idea of calling in support from Earth, with the implication that he can't rather than won't. The secondary hidden agenda of the attack is recoup his losses/cover up his misdeeds, so more likely than not, getting an outside force to intervene will bring up lots of unpleasant questions, and that fleet might not be guaranteed to be on his side.

Not to mention Earth might not be keen to involve himself in a war of annihilation with a race of beings that can fold space perfectly at will. They even turned down Max Jenius' similar request for assistance.

As I and another fic author has surmised Leon wouldn't want a NUNS investigation especially if will involve the likes of the VFX-Ravens or Dancing Skulls.

Leon didn't just hijack a Battle section he hijacked an entire colony for his ambition to rule the galaxy.

If what he had in mind came to be we are going to see Varuta level of war production.

He's going to make it spin that Earth and the rest of NUN abandoned them.

In a way Leon is a military hawk version of Lynn Kaifun.

[FLCL]

2 things

top gun music ftw

was that a macross galaxy cruiser? the vajra were ignoring it.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by FLCL

2 things

top gun music ftw

was that a macross galaxy cruiser? the vajra were ignoring it.

Grace hacked Ranka thus hacking the Vajra.

[aneeshadc]

Originally Posted by Tsukiyomi

All i have to say is i'm not liking how this series is ending so far...

it's like.. oh btw Sheryl is related to the Nomes (even tho we already guessed so)

it seems that the character of Sheryl really has become very unimportant except for being there and having some physical connection to previous Macross series...
I really liked the character development when she found out she was going to die and she sang for all those ppl in the shelter. But they seem to really be going in the wrong direction here afterwards...

Just out of curiosity, what direction did you want her character to be taken in ?

[Wesley84]

If the SMS couldn't nail Leon, I don't see what he has to fear from the NUNs.

[golthin]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

Grace hacked Ranka thus hacking the Vajra.

Ranka is seeing something different that what is actually happening! Alto saw the same thing she is seeing when the earing connected him with Ranka!

[Paul Hausser]

Originally Posted by Wesley84

Thing is, I hate Grace. I hate the whole "Imainvinciblehacker"-thing. I hate her theatrics, I hate her motiviations. I hate how she's basically forcing everyone to gang up on and bring her down. She's taking the end boss thing way to literally.

Any character that relies on hax mind-controlling abilities needs to be dragged out into the street and shot. Actually convincing someone, coercing someone, making them do what you want without subjigating their very being, that's what makes a good villian. The less hax the better.

There are very few characters who can pull it out well. Anime is known for lack of subtlety in this department. Last time I saw something like this was in... "Monster"?

[Wesley84]

Originally Posted by Paul Hausser

There are very few characters who can pull it out well. Anime is known for lack of subtlety in this department. Last time I saw something like this was in... "Monster"?

I think Rau Le Cleuze counts as well.

Otherwise, I agree. That's why they should abandon subtely all together, and have more minions. Grace doing everything herself is just silly.

[Paul Hausser]

Originally Posted by Wesley84

I think Rau Le Cleuze counts as well.

Otherwise, I agree. That's why they should abandon subtely all together, and have more minions. Grace doing everything herself is just silly.

Well, I'd say Kawamori has read "Ghost in the Shell" a bit too many times. Still, if O'Connor is inspired by the Awakened Major, she's sorely lacking when compared to the original.

[ReddyRedWolf]

Originally Posted by Wesley84

If the SMS couldn't nail Leon, I don't see what he has to fear from the NUNs.

The NUNS under his command no.

But the military pricks on Earth yes.

It has been 8 years since somebody tried a coup on Earth. And that was a high ranking UN Spacy officer.

Nobody will forget that Wilbur Garland hijacked the Macross 13 Battle 13 to take control of Earth by force.

That what Leon is planning, take over Earth and the rest of the NUN with his new weapons and anti-fold lag technology.

Remember what one of his stooges said to Grace "There can only be one ruler of the galaxy."

Now he can't tip his hand yet handling the main NUNS fleet until he has accomplished controlling the Vajra homeworld.

[KiraYamatoFan]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

In a way Leon is a military hawk version of Lynn Kaifun.

Oh, God. Please, NEVER EVER remind me of that name ever again. Already I hated Minmay, BUT this guy was a real piece of trash from start to finish.

[Wesley84]

Originally Posted by ReddyRedWolf

The NUNS under his command no.

But the military pricks on Earth yes.

It has been 8 years since somebody tried a coup on Earth. And that was a high ranking UN Spacy officer.

Nobody will forget that Wilbur Garland hijacked the Macross 13 Battle 13 to take control of Earth by force.

That what Leon is planning, take over Earth and the rest of the NUN with his new weapons and anti-fold lag technology.

Remember what one of his stooges said to Grace "There can only be one ruler of the galaxy."

Now he can't tip his hand yet handling the main NUNS fleet until he has accomplished controlling the Vajra homeworld.

Ah, I thought you meant for what he'd done on Frontier. He's probably untouchable for everything he's done there though, unless they capture Grace's head.

[MaiHikari]

Thoughts on the episode:

Spoiler for 24:

Why is Ozma only exploring the ruins of the 117th fleet now? He knew where it was all along and he didn't bother go to discover the truth behind the vajra.

Klan still can't forgive those who killed the man she loves, because that's in her Zentradi blood.

I didn't like the shouta Luca, but the new Luca is gaining on me. At least he's growing up and will be the kind of man who would protect the girl he loves at the cost of his life. Too bad Nanase's already devoted to Ranka. Here is where Ranka ruined another couple, besides Ozma x Cathy and Alto x Sheryl.

Sheryl is in her dressing room, flashing back to Alto's words that he'd kill Ranka if she becomes a threat to the people of Frontier.
Alto comes in.
Alto: it's me
Sheryl: the battle is about to begin, why did you come here?
Alto: Sheryl, I will return. When the fight is over, I'll definitely return. That's all I want to say.
Sheryl: Alto!
Alto: people can't fly alone, they wont be able to take off. I understand that now
Sheryl: you finally realize? You're really thickheaded
Alto: *smiles* I can't counter that
Sheryl: that's fine then. let's stop pretending to be lovers here
Alto: *runs to Sheryl* wait, sheryl! I--
Sheryl kisses him and romantic music plays in the background. It was a loong kiss
Sheryl: don't say it, anything you say now, doesn't matter what...I wont be able to sing...so please, don't say anything. When everything is over, we can continue this. So...so, Alto. Please save Ranka-chan.
She puts her earing on him
Sheryl: you'll definitely come back. understand? Alto.
Alto: Sheryl...
Sheryl: please remember, such a good woman like this, is quite rare.
Alto: yeah *smiles*

Seems like Brera is still under the influence of Grace. He tells Ranka she should sing to protect the planet...it's what mother would have wanted.

Alto is pissed off Ranka is trying to kill them and starts to attack her. But Brera got in the way and told him he's her brother and he will protect her. Alto got shot down and explodes in Ranka's outstretched hands.

Poor Sheryl pouring out her heart and soul into the song, but all we get to hear is Ranka's emotionless version of Ai ga Oboete Imasu Ka? Sheryl sees Alto's VF get blown up, screams his name in tears and the credits roll.

Animation: 10
Plot: 8 (good to learn of Sheryl's origin, but repeated plotlines with Ranka flashbacks)
Romance: 10 (for Sheryl x Alto scene)
Music: 9 (don't be late was good but DYRL was rather anti-climatic)
Overall: 10

[Freya]

Originally Posted by MaiHikari

Thoughts on the episode:

Spoiler for 24:

Why is Ozma only exploring the ruins of the 117th fleet now? He knew where it was all along and he didn't bother go to discover the truth behind the vajra.

Klan still can't forgive those who killed the man she loves, because that's in her Zentradi blood.

I didn't like the shouta Luca, but the new Luca is gaining on me. At least he's growing up and will be the kind of man who would protect the girl he loves at the cost of his life. Too bad Nanase's already devoted to Ranka. Here is where Ranka ruined another couple, besides Ozma x Cathy and Alto x Sheryl.

Sheryl is in her dressing room, flashing back to Alto's words that he'd kill Ranka if she becomes a threat to the people of Frontier.
Alto comes in.
Alto: it's me
Sheryl: the battle is about to begin, why did you come here?
Alto: Sheryl, I will return. When the fight is over, I'll definitely return. That's all I want to say.
Sheryl: Alto!
Alto: people can't fly alone, they wont be able to take off. I understand that now
Sheryl: you finally realize? You're really thickheaded
Alto: *smiles* I can't counter that
Sheryl: that's fine then. let's stop pretending to be lovers here
Alto: *runs to Sheryl* wait, sheryl! I--
Sheryl kisses him and romantic music plays in the background. It was a loong kiss
Sheryl: don't say it, anything you say now, doesn't matter what...I wont be able to sing...so please, don't say anything. When everything is over, we can continue this. So...so, Alto. Please save Ranka-chan.
She puts her earing on him
Sheryl: you'll definitely come back. understand? Alto.
Alto: Sheryl...
Sheryl: please remember, such a good woman like this, is quite rare.
Alto: yeah *smiles*

Seems like Brera is still under the influence of Grace. He tells Ranka she should sing to protect the planet...it's what mother would have wanted.

Alto is pissed off Ranka is trying to kill them and starts to attack her. But Brera got in the way and told him he's her brother and he will protect her. Alto got shot down and explodes in Ranka's outstretched hands.

Poor Sheryl pouring out her heart and soul into the song, but all we get to hear is Ranka's emotionless version of Ai ga Oboete Imasu Ka? Sheryl sees Alto's VF get blown up, screams his name in tears and the credits roll.

Animation: 10
Plot: 8 (good to learn of Sheryl's origin, but repeated plotlines with Ranka flashbacks)
Romance: 10 (for Sheryl x Alto scene)
Music: 9 (don't be late was good but DYRL was rather anti-climatic)
Overall: 10

emotionless anti-climatic? I thought it was pretty good lol.

[aeriolewinters]

moral of the story: never touch or even try to hurt Jesus Yamato's sisters.

And I was right on the money for even predicting that something like GSD ep 28 would happen....