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You need more than being famous to be a Heroic Spirit, you need to be an unique existence.
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2013-04-11, 23:04 | Link #4182 |
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Is really easy to learn how to use a sword a bow or a spear if we simplify as much the concept of using a gun as well. Just make sure the pointy part hits the other guy, and there you go. This isn’t rocket science either. I am saying this idea of gun users being not legendary because of their guns doesn’t really hold much ground on that light. But I can’t be sure, on this matter much of this is really speculation.
I see your points however; I just don’t really buy the entire concept of ancient weapons complicated and guns simple. With the idea of Saber we are saying all Heroic Spirits were awesome even before getting their NP, so why one can’t be awesome before getting the gun? Or is the gun taking that awesomeness away. I know is a simple argument but is just to illustrated how the idea sounds to me despite actually seeing where you came from. A special existence that ends being a legend because it does great things, I get it. But that doesn’t mean you can’t be special just because you use guns with seems to be the problem with Heroic Spirits not being gunslingers. All Assassins are wraiths if what I read about them is right. But that just mean they are ghost without names force to be a legend. So the Grail has always been mess up with the Assassin Servants but that is a complete different thing. In any case you are right, you need more than being famous.
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2013-04-12, 06:27 | Link #4183 | ||
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Also, stop arguing about this. Nasu himself has said gun wielders won't be heroes, and the game itself said that modern persons are infinitely less likely to become heroes in the same way that magic has dumbed down as time went on. It's why someone like Medea is so strong. Her magic is from the time of the gods, so even her simple magic would be complex or impossible for current magi. |
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2013-04-12, 09:43 | Link #4186 |
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Fate/Extra uses the Moon Cell, not the Holy Grail. The Moon Cell has access to anyone of note in history, regardless of "legendary" or "heroic" status. This is also why it has no problem putting an irregular Assassin in the Assassin class.
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2013-04-12, 14:20 | Link #4189 | |
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I mean, when you beat Arcueid in Fate/Extra, instead of being deleted, she just goes "huh, I'm bored, going back to Shiki, oh, hey, when I see you next, I'll kill you, kthxbai.", rips a hole through the Moon Cell and goes back to Shiki. Besides, Assassin in Fate/Extra had the presence concealment ability, I think he could get summoned as an Assassin no matter what.
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2013-04-12, 15:21 | Link #4191 |
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Assassin has to be Hassan-i Sabah. The Fate/Extra Assassin is not. Therefore, it does not follow the same rules and guidelines as the Holy Grail. Presence Concealment is a class ability, so anyone put into that class (be it irregular summoning or alternate source like the Moon Cell) will have it.
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2013-04-12, 15:40 | Link #4192 | |
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GDB - then why can other Servants qualify for Assassin, even in FSN (Hercules qualifies for all but Caster, for example) if only one person can be assassin?
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2013-04-12, 17:11 | Link #4193 | |
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Also, Hassan-i Sabah isn't a single person. It's 19 different people who share the same name. They also all share the same Noble Phantasm, though each one uses it differently. |
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2013-04-12, 18:47 | Link #4196 |
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But then what about the other Servants? I mean in Zero we see that the Caster presented was just there to fill the page, as the person he was in live was more of a knight than a mage and even when play with dark magic he did just for a short period of time. So could be that other Servants were summon in classes they don’t match just to fill the page? Like Sasaki, aberration in the system or not, was put in the Assassin vessel by mistake since a samurai is nothing like an Assassin.
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