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A fair theory when she was attacked by someone of Raciella's magnitude....numerously. Last edited by Shiek927; 2009-09-04 at 01:41. |
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2009-09-04, 01:39 | Link #244 | |
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Beth is death, but she just hasn't realized it yet, IMHO. I mean she could survive (if Yagi so chooses) but without a more formed speculation to base this speculation on, I'm not willing to support this idea just yet. The real questions to me are: What state will Alicia be in? Will she revert back to AO when her sister dies? and if so what will she do? Will she stay human form? and if so will she still try to kill Riful? or morn her sister? seek revenge for her sister? Will she become partially awakened? Will Clare sence Alicia's (and maybe Beth's) plight and come to save them, because of Raphaela's memories influencing her? Does Riful have any way to gain control of Alicia in her weakened state? Can Clare get to her/them in time and if so does that endanger Helen/Deneve? ect... |
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2009-09-04, 01:39 | Link #245 |
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Hey guys I wrote a commentary on this epic issue as usual every month,
http://kerubinist.blogspot.com/2009/09/claymore-95.html hope it raises more interesting discussions! I totally love how Yagi always leaves us hanging at the end of every chapter haha, can't wait to see what becomes of Beth next month. It would really suck if she just dies like that after their short debut, I suspect Miria and team or somebody else will come and save Beth. And hopefully Beth still maintains the link with her sister and all is not lost. |
2009-09-04, 01:41 | Link #246 | |
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[QUOTE=Ryus;2624069]Another Pokemon joke... So where is this intelligent conversation you wanted to start? [quote]
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she is crippled and extremely wounded. She is forced to walk around in a human body that can't regenerate. How much more wounded and crippled can an awakened being of that magnitude be? I think you are forgetting the vast power an awakened being has. Isley was already severly wounded when Helen and Deneve happened up him. Didn't Helen even say something like, "You mean even wounded, we don't have a chance against them?" I see nothing wrong with a powerfull awakened being losing all its limbs, and then reverting to a fully functional human body. |
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The fact that she killed the AE's is proof of that, she can't even distinguish her fellow "team members"anymore. She's become a new Miata, without a Clarice to hold her hand Quote:
How much more wounded did I expect? Considering the difference between Raciella and Riful, and all the damage she sustained thus far, something like Dauf actually. Perhaps I overestimated Raciellla.....or underestimated Riful. Isley though, I would say despite all the damage Riful has sustained, was weaker then her at the time then she is right now. That's probably the trick right there - Riful was at full power, naturally, before any of this started whereas Isley was barely had any yoki at all when he died. Despite all the damage she's sustained, I would say she still has more power then he did when he died. |
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2009-09-04, 01:58 | Link #249 | ||
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I mean there was a nice idea or two (mainly about Alicia's motives in "defending" Riful, btw why did those who said she wanted to kill not think that she was more then strong enough to kill Riful and fast enough to do it before the AF's) but no one offered much support evidence (and what they did was from this chapter alone). For example no one considered Rubel's statement to Galatea that the time after Alicia reverts to human form is still a time Beth needs to maintain control, so clearly she still could fully awaken. I could go on but I'm sure your catching my point... not to mention that all current theories are based off a translation of a translation. Quote:
1)Will Clare sense Alicia's (and maybe Beth's) plight and come to save them, because of Raphaela's memories influencing her? 2)Does Riful have any way to gain control of Alicia in her weakened state? 3)Can Clare get to her/them in time and if so does that endanger Helen/Deneve? ect... |
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Anyway. Who knows what will happen. And yes, I do have certain desires of paths I'd like to see, but that doesn't mean that I won't use logic to build speculation on those possible paths. I don't see what is wrong about speculating the path you like when there is a fork in the road as long as you are open to the other path too. |
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Yay for japanese raws!
My favorite line in this one is Riful's - something to the effect of "One you're all healed, I'll run you through full of holes with my own hands" Also fun was when I looked up the verb: "okasu" = to invade; to raid; to trespass; to violate; to intrude on. The caption on the last could thus be read: "Violated Beth!! What... will be born!?" ... on second thought, maybe it'd be better to use one of the word's other meanings... |
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Great, now it suddenly looks like Beth is pregnant, and this thing came out of her stomach like the Alien monster |
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2009-09-04, 02:09 | Link #253 | |
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Plus lets not forget. Beth has a Phone Pole going through her gut and spine. She's trying to mentally control her sister, a very mentally taxing job. She's offensive, and now she being infected... Her odds of living are slim at best, the best chance I see, for her survival, is if she awakens and can regrow her gut then. |
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Clare is impulsive and her nature might just react to Raphaela's emotions. Quote:
However you're right as long as they where open there is nothing wrong posting speculation based of your desires however it doesn't mean others like me can't criticize there logic or the simplicity of there arguments, too. All discussion on it was rather simple and was spread out over several back and froths. |
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2009-09-04, 02:31 | Link #256 |
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True, though I was waiting for other people to reply, hoping to start the speculations, and then I had to go to work. But you also notice it is slow here? Usually, after I go to work, there are 20 pages after some form of scans come out, and I like see that everyone has already made all the good points I wanted to.
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2009-09-04, 02:36 | Link #257 | |
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I can't tell how emotion driven the motivation for an argument is definitively but there are clues. The length of the post and the arguments with in them can show you the authors mind set, not to mention sentence and paragraph structure. Short post that are replies to others posts tend to be emotionally driven for example, especially if replied to quickly. There were tons of those, plus many posts had there feelings of Yagi and the story as a whole thrown in too, which you yourself just said. That was just my interpretation of most of the arguments/debates about alicia/beth. I chose to let is slide until the Jap>eng translation came out... but you asked. |
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2009-09-04, 02:38 | Link #258 | |
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Then why where you just complaining about there being no intelligent conversations on this thread. |
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2009-09-04, 02:48 | Link #260 |
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You twisting/misinterpreting what I initially said. I said this place was looking more like one of those Naurto forums with the bad reputations than what it usually looks like, where you leave to work and are impressed by some of the points people are bringing up. quite frankly, this thread was depressing me, and I have tried to stay on topic about Alicia and Beth and Riful. Anyway, saying the usual intelligent conversation is absent is not really calling you stupid. You yourself saw, felt, what I was talking about with the feel of the conversation on here.
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