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Old 2020-11-02, 15:39   Link #41
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That's good.

Also, what is wrong with bishounen Moriarty? You can't take it seriously?
Indeed. Also he is supposed to be older than Holmes. Just look at, who I think is Watson, in the OP. Would you think he is a war Veteran ?
TbH, I would have preferred a time jump at some point instead.
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Old 2020-11-02, 15:44   Link #42
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But if he was old guy you would have to give him loli and that would ruin mood. Thus it's better this way.
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Old 2020-11-02, 17:01   Link #43
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But if he was old guy you would have to give him loli and that would ruin mood. Thus it's better this way.
Why would you have to give him a Loli?
I mean come on, you can have old Moriarty and still make it look fine:

Moriarty in FGO

E: That being said, do they have the same character designer?
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Old 2020-11-02, 17:27   Link #44
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It might still be great, possibly even masterpiece but only you and maybe three other people in the world who would gave it shot would know...
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Old 2020-11-02, 17:52   Link #45
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Using "William James" may be a shout out to the famous American psychologist and philosopher.

I wish the portrayal of class conflict wasn't so unsophisticated. If all the villains are as simplistic as the Viscount here, it becomes a story about the plots they hatch. I hope there will be an episode or two where the morality of their actions is more clouded.

ITA and noted the same point in my latest post on Episode 4. Its a great premise but only if its executed with some subtlety. What we saw here is cartoonish villainy and revenge porn, not political subversion.
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Old 2020-11-03, 01:34   Link #46
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ITA and noted the same point in my latest post on Episode 4. Its a great premise but only if its executed with some subtlety. What we saw here is cartoonish villainy and revenge porn, not political subversion.
To one extent this episode feels a bit like that old Hell Girl anime series - where the main appeal was building up how horrible/unsympathetic these people were, and thus totally deserving of the comeuppance they got at the end.

Speaking of revenge porn though; Moriarty's grand vision for society is pretty simple and childlike despite his overt intelligence - "if I can kill enough bad, cruel people, the world will certainly become a better, kinder place." That, and his god complex mixed with hatred for the (abusive) rich.
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Old 2020-11-03, 18:25   Link #47
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To one extent this episode feels a bit like that old Hell Girl anime series - where the main appeal was building up how horrible/unsympathetic these people were, and thus totally deserving of the comeuppance they got at the end.

Speaking of revenge porn though; Moriarty's grand vision for society is pretty simple and childlike despite his overt intelligence - "if I can kill enough bad, cruel people, the world will certainly become a better, kinder place." That, and his god complex mixed with hatred for the (abusive) rich.
No, Moriarty intention seems more in make the poor stand up before the noble, basically start a revolution, but you cant start a revolution if you don't do anything with the condicioned mindset of the people of that time, you need to make them dirty their own hand and demostrate that the noble are human being, able to suffer, able to die. To harvest the fruits you need to plant the seeds.

Well, that is my take, how is executed is still on the air. Don't know how long they are going to maintain this "monster of the week" format. Maybe until the dude with the shotgun and Touma join the cast or Sherlock.

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Indeed. Also he is supposed to be older than Holmes. Just look at, who I think is Watson, in the OP. Would you think he is a war Veteran ?
TbH, I would have preferred a time jump at some point instead.
Fair enough. I havent never read an authentic SH book so I don't have that issue. My experience with SH stories is limited to the Robert Dawney Jr. movie, Elementary, that TV series with forehead and Lucy Liu as Watson, and the series of Cumberbatch. Personaly, I prefer the beautiful men. I like a lot the ED because the scene in the end with the 3 brothers.

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Old 2020-11-04, 01:20   Link #48
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Is Sherlock even going to be in this?
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Old 2020-11-04, 04:32   Link #49
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He is in opening so it's just matter of time.
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Old 2020-11-04, 10:27   Link #50
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He and Watson are both in the character list on Wikipedia.
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Old 2020-11-04, 11:06   Link #51
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It might still be great, possibly even masterpiece but only you and maybe three other people in the world who would gave it shot would know...
Uhm, do you have any data supporting that assessment or is that just your personal opinion?
Sorry, but there is really no reason to believe no one would watch and older Moriarty doing the very same thing the current one does, especially given how the dark theme doesn't require a young protagonist at all.
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Old 2020-11-04, 11:25   Link #52
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Uhm, do you have any data supporting that assessment or is that just your personal opinion?
Sorry, but there is really no reason to believe no one would watch and older Moriarty doing the very same thing the current one does, especially given how the dark theme doesn't require a young protagonist at all.
Moriarty the Crime Consultant doesn't need to be young. Moriarty the patriot, with all his idealism, may be another story.

(Though I might be tempted to watch Moriarty the doting papa to an adoptive teenage daughter...)
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Old 2020-11-04, 13:06   Link #53
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Moriarty the Crime Consultant doesn't need to be young. Moriarty the patriot, with all his idealism, may be another story.

(Though I might be tempted to watch Moriarty the doting papa to an adoptive teenage daughter...)
Neither does the patriot tbh. When thinking patriotism, you people rarely think of twenty year old first.
An older Moriarty, or at least one that is older by the time Holmes and Watson join in, would actually imho serve the stories tone better than the moriarty we got presented.

The other thing is that they made Watson younger too as a consequence, which doesn't make sense no matter how you look at it.

Not only is he far too young to be a veteran, but he also isn't a genius. Sure, Watson was supposed to be intelligent, yeah, but not a genius like Holmes or Moriarty, so him having a doctor at the age he is, apparently, shown in the OP is completely unrealistic. The story even tells us how special Moriarty is for having a doctor AND being a teaching the subject at such a young age.
There just isn't a reason to justify the same thing for Watson, who is supposed to be as intelligent as an average reader.

Ad: Moriarty the Doting Papa:
Will they have their private talking steam locomotive?
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Old 2020-11-05, 02:44   Link #54
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Uhm, do you have any data supporting that assessment or is that just your personal opinion?
Sorry, but there is really no reason to believe no one would watch and older Moriarty doing the very same thing the current one does, especially given how the dark theme doesn't require a young protagonist at all.
If you want numbers, I will give you one.

Number of anime ls featuring old man alone: 1

It's named Inuyahiki and it's well acclaimed by critics. It got even some awards. Number of sales of manga remained underwhelming despite getting anime. Old people alone don't sell. So noone doing it. It may be sad and unfair, but using them work only if you add beauty, child or AI nurse to interact with.

Plus YnM play family card, which work better with you younger cast.
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Old 2020-11-05, 03:06   Link #55
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Neither does the patriot tbh. When thinking patriotism, you people rarely think of twenty year old first.
An older Moriarty, or at least one that is older by the time Holmes and Watson join in, would actually imho serve the stories tone better than the moriarty we got presented.
Nah, by the time he's middle aged, he should have figured out that murdering a rich guy here and there and making it look like an accident isn't actually going to change anything.
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If you want numbers, I will give you one.

Number of anime ls featuring old man alone: 1

It's named Inuyahiki and it's well acclaimed by critics. It got even some awards. Number of sales of manga remained underwhelming despite getting anime. Old people alone don't sell. So noone doing it. It may be sad and unfair, but using them work only if you add beauty, child or AI nurse to interact with.

Plus YnM play family card, which work better with you younger cast.

Well Inuyashiki is a seinen manga whilst Moriarty the Patriot is a shonen manga so it's different demographics at the end of day. Not surprising that the majority of us on this forum would prefer something more targeted towards our demographic.
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Wait, people are really wondering by Moriarty and Watson are young hot things?! It's a shounen manga, trying to pull in that shoujo audience. Women buy goods, and lots of them, so now they can sell all the acrylic stands, pin badges, posters, and whatever else they want. Pretty sells. It's also not a particularly new trend with Holmes stories.
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Old 2020-11-08, 11:14   Link #58
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Not sure what the purpose of the sniper with the Hollywood Silencer was if they were just gonna push the guy off the bridge anyway. Here's hoping something more of a long running plot starts emerging next episode.
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Old 2020-11-08, 13:21   Link #59
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Too little too late for me, I'm dropping the show. The last few episodes really highlighted that there doesn't seem to be any substance beyond the origin arc. Or if there was one incoming, it would take too damn long to flesh out.

Also, the new characters are so one-dimensional.
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Old 2020-11-08, 15:34   Link #60
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If you want numbers, I will give you one.

Number of anime ls featuring old man alone: 1

It's named Inuyahiki and it's well acclaimed by critics. It got even some awards. Number of sales of manga remained underwhelming despite getting anime. Old people alone don't sell. So noone doing it. It may be sad and unfair, but using them work only if you add beauty, child or AI nurse to interact with.

Plus YnM play family card, which work better with you younger cast.
This would be a fair argument if it wasn't for the different tone of the series, beginning with Moriarty being a villain rather than a hero.
Moreover, we already know Moriarty works as an old men too, Inuyahiki's author didn't have that kind of foresight at all when he wrote his work.

Let's also not forget that Moriarty is special for his own merits (or rather demerits) he has always been. Another thing to note is that neither Holmes nor Moriarty are who you'd think of when talking about being good examples of what people consider proper human beings.
Holmes is a cynical drug addict who continuously demeans people, while Moriarty is the mastermind to the majority of crimes Holmes has had to solve over the years.

All that, while no one was ever being able to properly finger him as the culprit, which is why Holmes had to go to such lengths to finally take him out.

Inuyahiki's story on the other hand would have indeed worked way better with a younger protagonist. You don't even need hindsight for that, you just have to look at the story containing aliens, cyborgs and god know what else to see that the premise was risky from the very beginning, even if the protagonist had been quarter his age.
That being said, according to Wikipedia he still managed to get nominated for an international one award and actually receive a local one, something a lot of better selling stories never achieved.

As for the family card, they could have still played it to the same effect, especially given how the majority of their family interactions happened in flashbacks.

Babyfacing Watson on the other hand, is even a lot harder to explain than turning Moriarty into a 20-25 year old and making him look younger than Holmes.
That would put Lestrarde into high-school age.

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Back to the episode, for some reason, the scene with the girl falling seems... familiar?
I can't put my finger on where exactly. I want to say The Alienist, but I'm not sure if it actually had a scene like that.
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