AnimeSuki Forums

Register Forum Rules FAQ Members List Social Groups Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

Go Back   AnimeSuki Forum > Anime Related Topics > General Anime

Notices

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 2021-06-14, 09:01   Link #1341
Nachtwandler
Yurifag
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Kharkiv, Ukraine
Age: 33
Let's see if it lasts any long this time.
__________________
F/GO: 828 004 124
My Anime list
My VN list
Nachtwandler is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2021-06-20, 08:04   Link #1342
Sheba
Must Bury Qiqi
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Formerly Iwakawa base and Chaldea. Now Teyvat
Age: 41
Unfortunately, Ai Kayano is facing internet backdraft from chinese twitter, and the usual offendotrons more than happy to go after any figure loved by anime fans, after some CN netizens dug up and found she visited the Yasukuni Shrine and made comments about the atmosphere. CCP hounds are pushing various Chinese gacha game publishers to remove her. If any fans of Genshin Impact wanted to hear Kayanon one day in the game, for example, it's not looking good.
Sheba is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2021-06-20, 12:42   Link #1343
Frontier
Senior Member
 
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheba View Post
Unfortunately, Ai Kayano is facing internet backdraft from chinese twitter, and the usual offendotrons more than happy to go after any figure loved by anime fans, after some CN netizens dug up and found she visited the Yasukuni Shrine and made comments about the atmosphere. CCP hounds are pushing various Chinese gacha game publishers to remove her. If any fans of Genshin Impact wanted to hear Kayanon one day in the game, for example, it's not looking good.
That sucks. Kayanon doesn't deserve that .
__________________
Frontier is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2021-06-20, 19:29   Link #1344
Guardian Enzo
Seishu's Ace
*Author
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Kobe, Japan
Quote:
Originally Posted by Frontier View Post
That sucks. Kayanon doesn't deserve that .
To be honest, any public figure who visits Yasakuni and then talks about it knows exactly the statement they’re making.
Guardian Enzo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2021-06-20, 21:37   Link #1345
Cosmic Eagle
今宵の虎徹は血に飢えている
 
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Quote:
Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo View Post
To be honest, any public figure who visits Yasakuni and then talks about it knows exactly the statement they’re making.
Not everything is politics. Not everyone is a neurotic living some cold war fantasy.

Or it is because it's in vogue to make everything so with warped imputations but then these people should accept the world they create as a result.
__________________
Cosmic Eagle is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2021-06-21, 02:55   Link #1346
TinyRedLeaf
Moving in circles
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Singapore
Age: 46
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sheba View Post
Unfortunately, Ai Kayano is facing internet backdraft from chinese twitter, and the usual offendotrons more than happy to go after any figure loved by anime fans, after some CN netizens dug up and found she visited the Yasukuni Shrine and made comments about the atmosphere. CCP hounds are pushing various Chinese gacha game publishers to remove her. If any fans of Genshin Impact wanted to hear Kayanon one day in the game, for example, it's not looking good.
I did a Google search, to find out what exactly she said/wrote, and was surprised to learn that the matter occurred as far back as February (SCMP article, dated Feb 16, 2021). It only exploded in my news feeds now because Platinum — one of the characters she voiced in Arknights — had just been muted, in response to the vehement pressure from Chinese censors.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo View Post
To be honest, any public figure who visits Yasakuni and then talks about it knows exactly the statement they’re making.
I'm with Cosmic Eagle on this point. I doubt that Ai Kayano fully understood the implications of describing a visit to the Yasukuni Shrine as "refreshing" and "comfortable". As one interviewee in SCMP article I linked above explained, "there is a trend among young people in Japan now to visit old temples and shrines around the country and to admire the spiritual and natural world more than perhaps their parents’ generations did".

And given the general lack of awareness among young Japanese today about the true extent of their country's wartime atrocities, I also highly doubt she would have known why the Yasukuni Shrine remains a painful reminder of Japan's unwillingness to face up squarely to its ugly past.

That said, the SCMP article also highlighted that some Chinese also said their compatriots were over-reacting, and were quoted as such on The Global Times.

In any case, I'm of the view that South Korea and China have both lost sight of the original bone of contention: The objection to Yasukuni Shrine is technically because of the 14 "Class A" war criminals interred there. I suspect that even if the 14 individuals were removed from the shrine and interred somewhere else, nationalistic Koreans and Chinese would still object to the shrine. It's become a convenient issue that Beijing and Seoul can use to stir up nationalist feelings against a common enemy.

And to be clear, the Japanese nationalists are also to blame, but there's little chance their views will ever change in my lifetime. So, in a way, Japan reaps what it sows.
TinyRedLeaf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2021-06-21, 04:58   Link #1347
Guardian Enzo
Seishu's Ace
*Author
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Kobe, Japan
I don't think any even moderately aware adult in Japan doesn't know the significance of Yasakuni. It's a huge news story over and over again over the years, and regardless of whether you think it should or not, it represents something very specific. Any public figure who goes there and publicizes their visit knows what they're doing. It would be like an American celebrity wearing a confederate flag pin at an event and then claiming they did it because they liked the design.
Guardian Enzo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2021-06-21, 05:43   Link #1348
TinyRedLeaf
Moving in circles
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Singapore
Age: 46
I understand your objection, but I don't think it's fair to compare Japanese public opinion towards the Yasukuni Shrine, with what Americans feel today about the Confederacy and what it stood for.

Americans today, on balance, harbour less love for its Confederate and slave-labour past than the Japanese have for their war dead dating back to the Meiji Era. For many Japanese, a visit to Yasukuni Shrine is akin to Americans paying respects to their war dead in Arlington.

Yes, Yasukuni is tainted, and the Japanese are not unaware of this. But if a Japanese truly wished to honour his ancestors among the war dead enshrined there, where else could he or she go? There isn't an alternative.

So, unfortunately, it's an intractable issue. I understand the hurt feelings on both sides, and it angers me even more that the Japanese persist in whitewashing their sordid past, but more anger is not going to get any of us closer to a long-term solution.
TinyRedLeaf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2021-06-21, 06:32   Link #1349
Guardian Enzo
Seishu's Ace
*Author
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Kobe, Japan
None of which has any bearing, really, on the question of whether Kayano was aware of the statement she was making when she went.

FTR I also think you're vastly understating the percentage of the population that holds the Confederacy up as some kind of icon of a better time, where things were different than they are now (I won't elaborate). 47% voted for a candidate who does, and I think most of them agree with him. And further FTR, polling in Japan has consistently shown the majority of the (generally very conservative) Japanese public thinks it's a bad idea for prominent figures to visit Yasakuni, because of the message it sends.
Guardian Enzo is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2021-06-21, 07:36   Link #1350
Kakurin
大佐
 
 
Join Date: Jun 2013
Quote:
Originally Posted by TinyRedLeaf View Post
In any case, I'm of the view that South Korea and China have both lost sight of the original bone of contention: The objection to Yasukuni Shrine is technically because of the 14 "Class A" war criminals interred there. I suspect that even if the 14 individuals were removed from the shrine and interred somewhere else, nationalistic Koreans and Chinese would still object to the shrine. It's become a convenient issue that Beijing and Seoul can use to stir up nationalist feelings against a common enemy.
While the last sentence has some truth, the issue with the Yasukuni Shrine is not only the fact that war criminals are honoured there as martyrs. The bigger issue is that the whole institution is right-wing revisionist. The museum operated by the shrine tells the story of Japan's involvement in World War 2 using the right-wing fairy tale of Japan being forced into the war by Western imperialism and aggression. It celebrates Japanese military victories, portrays Japanese conquests as liberating the peoples of Asia from Western imperialism and makes no mention of the countless atrocities committed by the Japanese. Therefore, as long as the shrine doesn't clearly distance itself from those right-wing narratives but rather promotes them publicly, the Chinese and Koreans have a point of criticizing the institution regardless of the war criminals.
__________________
Kakurin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2021-06-21, 08:51   Link #1351
TinyRedLeaf
Moving in circles
 
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Singapore
Age: 46
Quote:
Originally Posted by Kakurin View Post
The issue with the Yasukuni Shrine is not only the fact that war criminals are honoured there as martyrs. The bigger issue is that the whole institution is right-wing revisionist. The museum operated by the shrine tells the story of Japan's involvement in World War 2 using the right-wing fairy tale of Japan being forced into the war by Western imperialism and aggression. It celebrates Japanese military victories, portrays Japanese conquests as liberating the peoples of Asia from Western imperialism and makes no mention of the countless atrocities committed by the Japanese. Therefore, as long as the shrine doesn't clearly distance itself from those right-wing narratives but rather promotes them publicly, the Chinese and Koreans have a point of criticizing the institution regardless of the war criminals.
Yes, absolutely. I would go further and add that the revisionism goes beyond the museum, and into the wider society. It's not just the Yasukuni Shrine that enrages China and South Korea, but also the history textbooks, for example, and what they say and don't say about the true extent of Japanese war-time atrocities in Asia.

Altogether, I believe there's a great deal of ignorance in Japan over why symbols of their country's military past continue to rankle with their neighbours. But, sure, I'm willing to stand corrected if polls show otherwise.

In the end, though, we're speculating about Ai Kayano's motives. Whatever they may be, I think it would be sad if the only lesson she and other public figures learn from this is that China is too important a market to offend.
TinyRedLeaf is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2021-06-21, 13:42   Link #1352
SeijiSensei
AS Oji-kun
 
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Age: 71
Seems like a good time to mention my single favorite anime episode of 2018, GeGeGe no Kitarou episode 20, where 13-yo Mana-chan describes World War II as "the Americans invaded and we lost." Much of the episode is set in Papua New Guinea where manga-ka Mizuki Shigeru was sent after being drafted.
TL;DR…
 
Sorry; dynamic content not loaded. Reload?
So I wouldn't be surprised to learn that Kayano had a less than complete understanding of the politics involved.
SeijiSensei is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2021-06-23, 22:32   Link #1353
serenade_beta
そのおっぱいで13才
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
I don't think personally that Kayano knew about it or the consequences her actions would cause. She has a lot of roles in Chinese games and this is important revenue. Only a person of great extremes would go out of her way to ruin her own career just to say she visited some place.

I personally think that her agency should have been more aware of her actions, and either stopped her from visiting or at least not state publicly that she visited the shrine. Or at least I believe that is one of the responsibilities of the agency, who manages her career.

I would say that there is still a chance for recovery, though it will probably not go public. Their agency will hopefully work or submit a plea and hopefully reach some kind of agreement or apology that the government will accept.
__________________

-Blog --> http://tdnshumi.blogspot.com/ (Mainly about video games)
-R.I.P. Hiroshi Yamauchi, Gaming wouldn't have been the same without you (9/19/13)
serenade_beta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2021-06-29, 07:18   Link #1354
Void
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
Nothing new, just your typical butthurt CCP nationalists digging something to scream at no matter the ulterior reason. They are a big nation with a really fragile government, and I may also add, hypersensitive.

As for Ai Kayano, this "controversy" won't have any effect on her, all the opposite in fact. There are already calls, from Chinese players no less, to boycott until they put her back. There's a certain irony in a Chinese company hiring Japanese seyuu because there's a lack of talent in their own country
Void is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2021-06-29, 12:51   Link #1355
serenade_beta
そのおっぱいで13才
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by Void View Post
There are already calls, from Chinese players no less, to boycott until they put her back.
Yeah, that's gonna definitely convince the government!
__________________

-Blog --> http://tdnshumi.blogspot.com/ (Mainly about video games)
-R.I.P. Hiroshi Yamauchi, Gaming wouldn't have been the same without you (9/19/13)
serenade_beta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2021-06-29, 13:22   Link #1356
Void
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
L
Quote:
Originally Posted by serenade_beta View Post
Yeah, that's gonna definitely convince the government!
Who gives a shit, they can go drown themselves in their own arrogance for all I care. Between that and South Park, that party should be tagged: "fragile, handle with care"
Void is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2021-06-29, 23:11   Link #1357
serenade_beta
そのおっぱいで13才
 
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Quote:
Originally Posted by Void View Post
L

Who gives a shit, they can go drown themselves in their own arrogance for all I care. Between that and South Park, that party should be tagged: "fragile, handle with care"
Huh, you mentioned it like it would make a difference with Kayano's situation, but uh... okay.
__________________

-Blog --> http://tdnshumi.blogspot.com/ (Mainly about video games)
-R.I.P. Hiroshi Yamauchi, Gaming wouldn't have been the same without you (9/19/13)
serenade_beta is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2021-06-30, 13:05   Link #1358
judasmartel
Senior Member
*Author
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines
Yet another Japanese VA in Ayana Taketatsu is being canceled by CN right now for... posing behind the flag of Imperial Japan.

There were some talks about China needing to build their own VA industry if they're just gonna cancel every Japanese VA who "steps out of line". From my very little experience of listening to Chinese VOs, they have the tools and personnel to do it but it's not gonna big enough to compete with the Japanese VA industry for a while.
__________________
judasmartel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2021-06-30, 13:12   Link #1359
Void
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2009
That was just shitposting, you know.
Void is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 2021-06-30, 17:10   Link #1360
judasmartel
Senior Member
*Author
 
 
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Cainta, Rizal, Philippines
Quote:
Originally Posted by Void View Post
That was just shitposting, you know.
Shitpost or not, my point still stands that China should just build their own VA industry separate from Japan or anybody if they're just gonna cancel anyone who does anything they don't like. They have the personnel and tools to do it but they're not gonna compete with the JP VA industry any time soon, which is why they still hire Japanese VAs for their anime-style games.
__________________
judasmartel is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Tags
industry

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 06:03.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
We use Silk.