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Unlike the original series, where story was more liner, Zero story is divided into two different branches: PR and V&A. If they do it normally they will need to put some kind of 'reset button' after finishing one branch which is inappropriate for anime format.
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2018-06-27, 13:19
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Ok, anime managed to give Kagari her childhood memory without changing the world line. This Kagari is now AD Kagari. Next ep. Kagari will probably start to have Kurisu memory pop up in her head (which mean Maho will return too?)
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2018-06-27, 13:22
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Not exactly because the world line didn't shift. Because of this, Kagari doesn't have Kurisu's memories there.
If they want to replicate PR, they ought to make a WL for some random reason, or make Kagari abducted for a short while.
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2018-06-28, 10:47
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2018-06-29, 06:44
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Btw,just to make sure, during the present exchange event at the Christmas Party, Mayuri brought an orgel that plays that loop song. I assumed that that is the actual source of the song that got overwritten, because I can't remember whether she said she had it made or she just bought it at a store. I do remember the worldline conveniently shifted to Russia just as she was about to tell Okabe about it, so I think the writer made it ambiguous there purposefully. Since the Russia shift only happens in Kagari=Yuki, the loop hinges on whether Okabe met Kagari in the past just as the amnesiac Kagari route. Our Okabe doesn't remember ever learning the song, and since the Kagari=Yuki is the "default" route it is highly likely that Okabe really never met Kagari in the past in that route, so there is no loop as described in RMG. Thus is why I assumed that orgel is the true origin of that song.
Did I miss anything?
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2018-06-29, 08:03
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That's the gist of it. As I discussed before, the V&A route is most likely the "base" route and since Suzuha time travel always involve a very slight change in world line, this explain how she could learn the song outside of Kagari's loop.
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2018-06-29, 08:40
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I see no reason to believe that there was ever any version of the beta worldline where Suzuha never arrived.
Unless there is some sort of source material that confirms this, but that would only raise more questions. I also see very little reason to believe that there was ever any version of (beta) Okarin who never met Kagari. Again, that would raise a whole bunch of questions. It happened a long time ago, when Okarin was young. Is it that hard to believe that he just forgot? Or rather, is it that impossible? |
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2018-07-02, 06:52
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I don't really remember that scene with Okabe and Moeka in VN. ............................... Look like ep.14 will be postponed for one week. https://twitter.com/SG_anime/status/1013739913349554176
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2018-07-04, 16:28
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Curiously, why did Maho stop Okabe's conversation with Amadeus in Ep 3, when that didn't happen in the VN with Okabe himself realizing it? It seems to change the story intent especially when Maho and the others were the ones who had wanted Okabe to continue interacting with Amadeus to begin with.
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2018-07-17, 11:22
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Uh..Oh...we might get Kagari-yuuki after all.....or just total brainwashed Kagari Could it be that anime will go to V&A first??
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2018-07-18, 11:33
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I didn't say much recently considering I wasn't really convinced the way they are adapting parts after Antinomic Dual, but as I expected, they took advantage of the "time skip" so Kagari is actually brainwashed, which will justify her antagonist role in V&A, but also explains how she gets Kurisu's memories, which will be needed for the actual Antinomic Dual from PR route.
That's also why they didn't make her undergo the surgery operation at all, which is probably for the best anyway. *Please do NOT mention this change in the anime thread, not even in spoiler tags. This might spoil them big time if they were to read the VN after the anime. That said, the fact she could find Leskinen & co with just the music trigger is a bit far fetched, since they left Japan for a while. What I'm actually more annoyed by that "route merge" approach is how the events stitched together fail to connect properly: Leskinen and Maho leaving Japan happily even though someone tried to hack Amadeus. Meanwhile, Okarin & co aren't supposed to know those who attacked them, yet adapting RMG was questionable because they don't even know when the bike suit woman would attack them to abduct Kagari again. All of those issues had to be addressed by the characters considering the impending dangers with these, but due to the merge approach, they are pretty much disconnected. It isn't like the adaptation is "bad" or anything, but it lacks of consistency. In any case, the rest of the series will most likely follow V&A. The remaining question is if they will proceed with Operation Arc Light first then PR, or the other way around. I suspect them to go through the Rajikan incident, but Kagari survives in this case. Then, soon after that, DURPA overthrows Stratfo and hunts her down. This is fine since Leskinen is pretty much MIA in the original PR, and he is pretty much retired in V&A. Following this, Okarin & co will figure out about the brainwashing stuff and the memory overwrite, ultimately leading to the end of Antinomic Dual, then PR. As far as it goes, Okarin will probably learn about "deceiving the world" directly in the same world line, then prepares Operation Skuld. So no D RINE in this case.
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