2010-04-23, 17:20 | Link #8861 |
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That doesn't tell me why that can be the only way it can be interpreted. Why can't Maria or Beatrice be the frikkin key? The whole reason Battler figured out his answer was because he finally understood what the game master before him was THINKING. He turned the chessboard over.
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2010-04-23, 17:26 | Link #8863 | |||
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I put it to you that he DOESN'T know what he's doing. What then? Doesn't every discrepancy make sense if he's just another idiot? Quote:
George or Gohda would have to be the killer there, and, well, my money's on George. Quote:
It is perfectly possible for Jessica to have both faked her death in Ep2 and be the primary killer for the episode. Isn't this one of the things that Lambda made fun of? Still, I wouldn't put it past Ryukishi at this point. |
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2010-04-23, 17:29 | Link #8864 |
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By the way, about the 'key' that Ryukishi mentioned... rather than it being a person, wasn't it the solution of how Battler got out of that room? In other words this is the way closed rooms are formed over nearly all the episodes.
Actually, you know... even if we don't know *how* we now know *who*. It's Kanon... he's responsible for a number of closed rooms. Which ones and why? |
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2010-04-23, 17:32 | Link #8866 | |
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Yes, my theory is about Jessica being the main culprit there, but I think of where did she get a weapon? Stakes could have been hidden in rooms beforehand, but weapons and magic circles. Shotguns were in Kinzo's study right? So she could get in only with help of Genji and Shannon. For individuel rooms she'd use Kanon's master key before setting up her death. |
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2010-04-23, 17:33 | Link #8867 | ||
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However, passing the corpse off as a victim of the real murderer doesn't work at all in EP3 if the first twilight was originally fake. Since the fakery would eventually be revealed, producing a real burnt corpse would be the height of stupidity; as before, it would trigger a murder investigation. Moreover, since Natsuhi and Krauss were trapped in the family conference all night, there would be no way for the servants to find out that their deception had fallen through. And yet, the framing motive doesn't work either. Since both Natsuhi and Krauss had an ironclad alibi all night, the suspicion would end up falling on the servants who had been faking their deaths instead. Therefore, there was no reason for a conspirator who was not also the actual murderer to expose the corpse, and that conspirator could not have done so with the cooperation of the others. In short, neither variation of "Phantom Kinzo conspirators concealing the time of Kinzo's death" can possibly work for both episodes. Quote:
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2010-04-23, 17:36 | Link #8868 |
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Oh right I forgot to mention.
Takano is delusional in Higurashi. She made up the parasites thing up just like she made up the idea that Rika is an alien and that the demons were maggots. the only sources she had for that were her own scrap books and they made Rena delusional. She's one of the main causes of the madness in Rule X.
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As I said I really don't like it... but I can't help noticing that it actually fits. Kanon entered only battler left, so Kanon never left Kanon magically disappeared Kanon does not exist in the room Either Kanon's personality died, or Kanon actually died just after entering. I don't know which one is the lamest explanation Quote:
Beatrice is trying to create the illusion of a twilight serial murder. She's not burning Kinzo to save or frame Natsuhi, she's doing it because it would be apparent that Kinzo isn't a twilight victim otherwise. As to why she has to use Kinzo, why not? Everyone believes Kinzo is alive, regardless of his real life/death status he's still eligible of being selected in the roulette. And Beatrice likes pranks and illusions anyway.
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2010-04-23, 17:37 | Link #8870 |
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You're also assuming that he know what the possible answers are, which is not necessarily true even if he believes himself to be telling the truth. That is, you cannot discount the 'wisdom of crowds' approach to mystery writing is in effect.
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2010-04-23, 17:44 | Link #8872 | |
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It makes perfect sense to me, at least. |
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Nothing prevents more weapons from being used than we get to see. Besides, the only people who die after Jessica are Nanjo and Kumasawa (died from having their throats cut, probably by the billhook Kanon uses like twice) and the last three (died from (presumably) stakes). Genji could have and probably did paint the magic circles. Quote:
I've only seen the anime, so maybe it's different in the novel, but... I thought it went like this: Spoiler for higurashi:
Am I wrong...? Last edited by Tyabann; 2010-04-23 at 18:38. |
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2010-04-23, 17:49 | Link #8875 | |
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Anyway it's still a lame explanation because you'd have to think Erika (or her piece whatever) killed Kanon and she doesn't know! Completely disregarding the fact that when she previously killed someone she was so aware of that, that she could even use red about it... don't tell it isn't lame.
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2010-04-23, 17:49 | Link #8876 | |
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Do multiple answers have to be known by the author? NO. Ones he didn't expect can always appear later. Can he assume his fans can come up with multiple answers that lead to the same conclusion? YES
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2010-04-23, 17:53 | Link #8877 | |
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Anyway, there have been very few flashback scenes apart from Ange's story in episode 4 and we don't know what any of the Ushiromiya family (except for young Eva) used to look like. Well, at least the anime helped with that. I can't wait to see what answer we get in episode 7 so I can look back at the anime and check to see if there were enough clues to reach the answer. By the way, that interview was interesting but does episode 6 only point to Shkanon? I think episode 6 gives a lot of hints towards other theories as well.
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2010-04-23, 17:55 | Link #8878 |
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don't forget that Ryukishi specifically said that Zepar and Furfur are telling a lot of important stuff in order to find the truth.
As far as I remember they don't say anything about Hachijo and Asumu
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2010-04-23, 17:57 | Link #8880 | |
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It still fits, doesn't it.
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