GATE - Episode 14 Discussion / Poll

[Kairin]

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[Stark700]

Well I'm glad that Pina's bro got his ass kicked by the military.

Good episode overall. There was violence but also some hope for a girl named Noriko after he got recused. This is why the Empire shouldn't mess with the military. Itami's punch was spot on.

[Hakuro]

Nice episode with lots of confrontations and fights, even when Kuribayashi's design is a blasphemy, the way how she looks badass beating Pina's brother was amazing.

I don't know if this is a factor - maybe it is - but this second cour is more enjoyable thanks to the lack of censorship and better animation, compared to the first cour that is.

[blakstealth]

I think the animation quality is still the same: pretty average. :/

And Kuribayashi just went to town on those guards. Japanese military might cannot be stopped. :0

[Kopi]

So the Pina's brother (lol no one actually rmb him name) isn't that horrible a guy (still an asshole though) since he talked about acting the way he was in order to survive in the imperial kingdom? The rabbit girl did come to save him and they were being cuddly and shit near the end too despite that particular scene in the previous episode. Well she properly have some hidden agenda judging from the op and the preview.

Are we finally getting over with the Tuka's daddy issue next episode. Please since it's really bothering watching her doing that since s1.

[HandofFate]

poor dark elf just wandering around lost

[~Yami~]

finally they get over this rage arc... baka ouji is clearly not pleasant to watch and Pina seems worried so much now.. say goodbye for your "art" if you can't save this peace talk, Pina
it is very ironic that Emperor tried to preach Japan over "kingdom stuff"
I hope one day this Emperor would have time to talk with Japanese Emperor in the future

It's too bad that this episode seems too short for me...
but the upcoming episodes would be better... GATE is always the best when Itami is together with Lelei, Tuka, and Rory after all

[aohige]

I figure some of you will be confused by the dialog in this episode.

Yes, you read the lines right, Noriko was kidnapped prior to the Invasion.
Yes, they had means to scout our world prior to the opening of Gate we saw in episode 1.

They may or may not explain this in the anime later on while covering book 3..
I'm hoping they will, as it's rather confusing without an explanation.

[FlareKnight]

I think the lesson is pretty clear. When you have this kind of insanely superior weaponry you can do just about whatever you want.

The scumbag prince had more power than a handful of civilian captives and the result is as disgusting as one would imagine. Itami's group had more power so they could just take the girl, shoot their way out and force peace. Makes you wonder what was the point of wasting time with diplomacy. Marching into the capital and shooting up the Emperor's guards would have gotten the same result.

In the end the tragedy here is with Noriko. Get captured, taken to another world for a long time, raped, Hiroko ends up dead, and rescued only to eventually find out that your family is dead....because they were wandering around handing out flyers about you being missing. That....is just ungodly awful.

And yeah it's about time to deal with Tuka's insanity. Letting someone mentally unstable wander around is getting to be a bit much here.

[rladls2121]

So this means some of the victims in the Ginza incident were still alive, captured, tortured.
I rather have some mixed feelings about this though, not just grieving about it.

[Anh_Minh]

I wonder what would have happened if they'd just killed Zorzal? Would the emperor have understood how fragile his position really was? Would it have ended the hopes for peace?

I also wonder about his plan to pretend to be nice by giving back the other slave. I'd think that ship has sailed, but with politics, who knows?

[ReddyRedWolf]

With Tyule protecting Zorzal and the way let him have sex with her you'd think she has Stockholm Syndrome.

But there must be some angle she is working on.

[Mangonel]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

I think the lesson is pretty clear. When you have this kind of insanely superior weaponry you can do just about whatever you want.

The scumbag prince had more power than a handful of civilian captives and the result is as disgusting as one would imagine. Itami's group had more power so they could just take the girl, shoot their way out and force peace. Makes you wonder what was the point of wasting time with diplomacy. Marching into the capital and shooting up the Emperor's guards would have gotten the same result.

In the end the tragedy here is with Noriko. Get captured, taken to another world for a long time, raped, Hiroko ends up dead, and rescued only to eventually find out that your family is dead....because they were wandering around handing out flyers about you being missing. That....is just ungodly awful.

And yeah it's about time to deal with Tuka's insanity. Letting someone mentally unstable wander around is getting to be a bit much here.

Japan likely would rather just have peaceful ties and let the existing political structures remain. Though with the power gap being so vast and the existing populace being used to monarchy they probably wouldn't revolt too much from a Japanese occupation. Its just I can only imagine how much manpower would be required to setup governing bodies across fantasy land.

[DmonHiro]

Well, from my understanding, the army forces sent through the gate are technically on a peace keeping mission. I say technically because they're racking up a body count in the tens of thousands, but they are not an invasion force. It might seem that way from the Empire's point of view, but they have no idea what an invasion force from out world would mean. Yes, Japan doesn't have a standard army, just one for self-defense, but if you arm them to the teeth, more so then they already are, it doesn't matter what they are called. Japan's airstrike is still way below what an actual invasion force would do. The problem is most of the Empire still doesn't seem to get it. Since the world beyond the gate isn't covered by Geneva, and the Empire has no problems acting like medieval assholes (since they ARE), I still don't get why they don't realize that if the SDF adopted the same tactics they use (all out assault, taking slaves, etc.) they'd be done in a weak, tops. Hell, they should be glad Itami and co didn't kill the prince right there, and yet the emperor still spewed that "you love your people too much" bullshit. The empire has nothing

[Sheba]

Likely because like Rome (which they were modeled after) during the Punic Wars, they didn't see any other possible outcome than the total submission and destruction of the opposing civilization. And the peace talks and negotiations just seems to them a sign of weakness.

[DmonHiro]

Correct, but the same emperor sent the armies of his allies against the SDF knowing they were going to die. Why would he think that his armies would have a better chance? He already knows the power of the SDF.

[yanzzy5]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

I think the lesson is pretty clear. When you have this kind of insanely superior weaponry you can do just about whatever you want.

The scumbag prince had more power than a handful of civilian captives and the result is as disgusting as one would imagine. Itami's group had more power so they could just take the girl, shoot their way out and force peace. Makes you wonder what was the point of wasting time with diplomacy. Marching into the capital and shooting up the Emperor's guards would have gotten the same result.

Really? The way I saw it is violence will only be answered with more violence to protect the peace or status quo between two groups luckily everyone in that world(gate tekairi earth) and this (RL) world knows it.

Also with lack of any huge battles like the battle of italica this season seems to be way less exciting than the last one it doesnt help that one of the most badass moments in the manga was left out

Spoiler for spoiler:

And that is exiting the imperial palace in the middle of an aftershock and the palace gaurds cowering in fear while itami and company make their exit.

Not sure if it was part of the novel though

[rladls2121]

I think the King and Sugawara's talk is what interests me the most in this episode.

The king saying how loving the country too much is their weakness and may lead to its own destruction after a lot of suffer.
And Sugawara saying that weakness is their code, and its their strength.
I don't agree with Sugawara comparing their country is different than the Empire as in far different dimensions of blood spilling history though.
Japan and Empire, they are both strong countries not to be taken lightly in their respective worlds, and some of the few differences is that Japan had longer history and timeline is further in the future than the Empire, is it not, and correct me if im wrong?

Really, this confrontation is really a good event.

To add, no wonder the female child fell for Suguwara in the first episode, I think im beginning to understand why.

[DmonHiro]

Well, the Japan we know now is very peaceful, but what Suguwara was maybe implying was Japan's history of war. Let's not kid ourselves, Japan during wars was brutal, and much of that was because of the love for their country. The code of honor that made them protect the pride of the country was very similar to the empire. I think Suguware meant that Japan is quite able to be just as ruthless, if not even more so then the empire. And given the difference in power...

[novalysis]

The scene where Zorzal's guards were slaughtered, and Zorzal was beaten up reminds me of the Battle of Cajamarca.

It is like the Spanish vs the Incans. Thousands of Incans including the Emperor vs a few dozen Spanish. The Spanish slaughtered the Incans in that battle and captured the emperor. The disparity between Japan and the Gate World is even larger.

In-fact, if Gate took place in, say , America, the kidnapping of Citizens and widespread slavery would probably trigger quite a loud outcry for all out war, occupation and regime change.

Originally Posted by DmonHiro

Well, the Japan we know now is very peaceful, but what Suguwara was maybe implying was Japan's history of war. Let's not kid ourselves, Japan during wars was brutal, and much of that was because of the love for their country. The code of honor that made them protect the pride of the country was very similar to the empire. I think Suguware meant that Japan is quite able to be just as ruthless, if not even more so then the empire. And given the difference in power...

The Sengoku Jidai is a mere 400 years removed from modern day Japanese. The fall of the Tokugawas, 150 years. The end of World War 2, 60 years. The values that the Japanese hold, and the high regard for human life and citizens that exist in Japan, that the Empire thinks as weakness, were only embraced in the last two generations.