Do you hate any of the characters?

[ShadowAssasin]

Spoiler for manga:

Originally Posted by TwilightHack

"Imo Sasuke's strongest powers have been handed to him on a silver platter.
I still use "silver platter" because in my eyes CS2, Orochi's healing, MS w/Amaterasu, are his strongest abilities... which were practically given to him. If you want to disagree, I'll just say Sasuke has been shown to work the least to get his big power-ups.

Then I guess you have the same problem with naruto’s abilities (his healing ability, and his ridiculously powerful four tailed form) which were “given to him on a silver platter” the way you think Sasuke's abilities were given to him. And really, he still worked harder to get them than naruto did for his nine tails.

Originally Posted by TwilightHack

And its not like he gained just the MS, he also gained Amaterasu, one of the most dangerous techniques in existence... all by a poke.

I guess it would be better for you if he had gained it in part I by killing naruto since that would have been *far* more difficult for him. :sarcasm:

Originally Posted by TwilightHack

Sorry, but I'm going to quote someone who put my grievance in better words concerning abilities and their drawbacks.

- "Sure, Sasuke can turn his body into a freaking lightning rod and charge electricity in currents all over himself but Naruto, when he uses his wind gets his arm almost destroyed."

Okay, so it appears you *do* fall into the category of people I’m referring to in that little theory of mine; as does the poster you quoted (probably another one of those disgruntled readers that bash Sasuke every week because of the gap between him and naruto) Anyway, how do we know that he doesn’t sustain any damage or risk when using his lightning jutsu?

I will state my little theory here just so that you know what I was referring to;

Spoiler for its already been argued to death:

Basically, in part I, the gap between naurto and Sauske was close enough that it appeared to be arguable as to which one of them was the stronger shinobi; even though it was Sasuke all along, some naruto fans allowed their love for their favorite character to misconstrue facts and fabricate certain things, essentially making their opinion a fact. Now that the gap has widened to the point where it can no longer be denied who is the strongest, those people are upset and disgruntled because now, not even their fabrications can hold up any longer. The fact is, Sasuke has always maintained a lead on naruto, it just hasn’t been this wide before; now people are upset about it so they resent Sasuke and bash him to death, which appears to be the only way they know to handle it. Perhaps the most annoying thing is the author being bashed like it could be his fault - its his gotdamn story. If you allowed yourself to misconstrue the facts thats your problem.

(this was just to let you know what "theory" I was refering to, like I said its already been discussed to death)

Originally Posted by TwilightHack

I've already made my comments about those other abilities.

Great, I’ve already made comments referring to them.

Originally Posted by TwilightHack

while hampering Naruto in ever progress he makes, I wouldn't have as much as a problem with him.

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This is actually better for naruto in the long run; unfortunately it appears most people don’t seem to have the foresight to realize this.

[Ryuujin]

Originally Posted by ShadowAssasin

Spoiler for manga:

Then I guess you have the same problem with naruto’s abilities (his healing ability, and his ridiculously powerful four tailed form) which were “given to him on a silver platter” the way you think Sasuke's abilities were given to him. And really, he still worked harder to get them than naruto did for his nine tails.

The difference is that everything Naruto has comes with drawbacks (massive ones, at that), while everything Sasuke gets has no drawbacks (Sharingan), the drawbacks are ignored (Curse Seal. Remember when the Sound 5 told him "using it will eat away your free will"? How about Kakashi saying "if you use the Curse Seal, you'll never get any stronger"? And what happened to Orochimaru's ability to control people via their CS, like he did to Anko?), or the drawback is worked around

Spoiler for spoiler:

(EMS, which we both know he'll get eventually, removing the only weakness the ordinary MS has)...

Originally Posted by Spectacular_Insanity

However, yes, I also hate Hidan.

Spoiler for manga - reasons why:

He killed Asuma. That I can NEVER forgive. Ever.

I was more angry about Yugito, personally.

[ShadowAssasin]

Originally Posted by Ryuujin

The difference is that everything Naruto has comes with drawbacks [/SPOILER]

Every main/non-main character in the series has their drawbacks and limitations, but realistically, its very unlikely that *any* of these characters (especially the main characters)will die or suffer permanent damage from them. These limitations are really just a mechanism created by the author to prevent readers from saying things like "why didn't he just use his four tailed mode" for every situation, and of course to make the story interesting by creating a challenge for said character.

People love to complain about Sasukes current advantages over naruto while seemingly being completely oblivious to naruto's advantages over everyone else in the damn manga(please don't bring up the lame excuse of the manga being named after him)... Naruto's four tailed mode is pretty damn powerful; the fight between him and Orochimaru was comparable to the ridiculous overpowered fights in the dragon ball z anime; the drawback associated with the kyuubi is really no big deal, all things considered. He also has a ridiculous amount of chakra which allows him to use his favorite technique - kage bushin- to potentiallly learn new jutsu in 1/1000 of the normal time it would take! If he would just grow up a bit (which will likely happen after he learns of Jiraiya's death), he can become a very deadly shinobi. He also has the elemental affinity that just so happens to be dominant over Sasuke's. Use a little foresight here...

In my opinion, his "drawbacks" are going to make things that more interesting and it will mean he'll have to find a path to reach his limits *without* the kyuubi which will make for a more interesting story - again, just my opinion.

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All that aside, I have a question: when naruto simply taps into the kyuubi's chakra reserve without manifesting any tails, is that also harmful ? (keeping in mind his body - at that point- isn't shrowded in the red chakra)

[james0246]

Originally Posted by ShadowAssasin

All that aside, I have a question: when naruto simply taps into the kyuubi's chakra reserve without manifesting any tails, is that also harmful ? (keeping in mind his body - at that point- isn't shrowded in the red chakra)

I think Naruto is always tapping into the Kyuubi's chakra (considering the fact that both chakras are constantly mixing in Naruto), there are just degrees to Naruto's withdrawl from the Kyuubi bank. And, during recent fights, he has shown slitted-eyes, indicating that some amount of the Kyuubi's chakra (greater than the base amounts he automatically uses), and has shown no adverse side-effects from this simple exposure. So, No, basic connection to the Kyuubi's chakra does not appear harmful, even going one or two tails is probably not that harmful (even if it is exhausting), but that is pushing the limits of his current body (i.e. an older body might be able to withstand more).

[ShadowAssasin]

Originally Posted by james3wk

I think Naruto is always tapping into the Kyuubi's chakra (considering the fact that both chakras are constantly mixing in Naruto), there are just degrees to Naruto's withdrawl from the Kyuubi bank. And, during recent fights, he has shown slitted-eyes, indicating that some amount of the Kyuubi's chakra (greater than the base amounts he automatically uses), and has shown no adverse side-effects from this simple exposure. So, No, basic connection to the Kyuubi's chakra does not appear harmful, even going one or two tails is probably not that harmful (even if it is exhausting), but that is pushing the limits of his current body (i.e. an older body might be able to withstand more).

So you're saying that naruto is always using the kyuubi's power albeit unconsciously (like Gaara)? I was always under the impression that he only used it when he willingly called upon it, since when Kakashi compared his and naruto's chakra reserves, he refered to two different instances: naruto with, and without the kyuubi's power. Besides the healing benefits, I never knew he continuously used the kyuubi's power unconsciously...

[james0246]

Originally Posted by ShadowAssasin

So you're saying that naruto is always using the kyuubi's power albeit unconsciously (like Gaara)? I was always under the impression that he only used it when he willingly called upon it, since when Kakashi compared his and naruto's chakra reserves, he refered to two different instances: naruto with, and without the kyuubi's power. Besides the healing benefits, I never knew he continuously used the kyuubi's power unconsciously...

There seems to always be a little amount being called on all the time. But, this amount is then mixed with Naruto's own chakra, and will then eventually become part of Naruto's chakra reserve (this is why someone so young with so little true training for chakra expansion, had a pool of chakra equivalent to twice Kakashi's own). This unconscious pull is, more or less, what the Seal is made for, since it is combining the Kyuubi's chakra to Naruto's. So at any given momment Naruto undoubtedly has some of the Kyuubi's chakra in his system, it is just being absorbed by Naruto's chakra, and not being used for anything else.

Rather it is when Naruto enters one of his many stages of being Kyuubified, that he is actively drawing on the Kyuubi's chakra. This is indicated by first the eyes, then the whiskers, then the hands, then the ears, then a tail (at least I think that is the unconfirmed order). The early stages (eyes and whiskers especially) seem to be unconscious access to the Kyuubi's chakra, but the later body changes (hands, ears, and especially the tails) require a direct conscious connection to the Kyuubi (which is why eventually Naruto starts to lose his mind to the Kyuubi.)

[HayashiTakara]

Actually a person's chakra capacity is dependent on birth/heritage/etc... if it can be increased through training, Kakashi would have godly amounts of chakra.

[james0246]

Originally Posted by HayashiTakara

Actually a person's chakra capacity is dependent on birth/heritage/etc... if it can be increased through training, Kakashi would have godly amounts of chakra.

I do not understand. Kakashi pre-time skip was far weaker than Kakashi post-time skip, and part of that weakness pre-time skip was the fact that Kakashi did not have the chakra reserves to adequetly use his large amount of techniques, but post-time skip he can use multiple Chidori/Raikiri and multiple MS before collapsing, when before he could barely use the Sharingan for a few minutes as well as perform one or two high ranking jutsus without collapsing for a week. That alone should tell you that chakra capacity is not a truly fixed quantity, or at least not fixed from birth (I will agree that a human body has a peak performance and the body can not exceed that peak (save for using a bijuu, possibly), but until the body reaches that peak, it still has the ability to grow its chakra reserves, and after the body reaches its peak (and its total amount of chakra reserves) by training your mind/spirit one can still master their control of their chakra).

[ace_TZ]

Originally Posted by james3wk

I do not understand. Kakashi pre-time skip was far weaker than Kakashi post-time skip, and part of that weakness pre-time skip was the fact that Kakashi did not have the chakra reserves to adequetly use his large amount of techniques, but post-time skip he can use multiple Chidori/Raikiri and multiple MS before collapsing, when before he could barely use the Sharingan for a few minutes as well as perform one or two high ranking jutsus without collapsing for a week. That alone should tell you that chakra capacity is not a truly fixed quantity, or at least not fixed from birth (I will agree that a human body has a peak performance and the body can not exceed that peak (save for using a bijuu, possibly), but until the body reaches that peak, it still has the ability to grow its chakra reserves, and after the body reaches its peak (and its total amount of chakra reserves) by training your mind/spirit one can still master their control of their chakra).

According to your opinion so it is possible that in 10 years time naruto will have twice the amount of chakra he currently has and if he controls it much more efficiently (rather than spamming shadow clones) he will most likely never run out of chakra unlike itachi, sasuke or kakashi. This seems quite interesting as he will not need to worry about chakra limit (even without kyuubi) just like lee (he does not rely on chakra). How long should one wait to see naruto reaching his full potential.

[shikamaru_kun]

Originally Posted by ace_TZ

How long should one wait to see naruto reaching his full potential.

About 50 chapters or so.

We already know what his potential is, basically limitless, because he has the never-ending chakra supply of the Kyuubi. How strong he'll actually get is a different matter.

And on-topic of if I hate any of the characters, I hate Sai and Karin. Both useless.

[james0246]

Originally Posted by ace_TZ

According to your opinion so it is possible that in 10 years time naruto will have twice the amount of chakra he currently has and if he controls it much more efficiently (rather than spamming shadow clones) he will most likely never run out of chakra unlike itachi, sasuke or kakashi. This seems quite interesting as he will not need to worry about chakra limit (even without kyuubi) just like lee (he does not rely on chakra). How long should one wait to see naruto reaching his full potential.

I do not think that is quite what I said, but I did mention that chakra reserves are based on training and the peak limits of a human body. The Human Body can be trainined to its peak, but it can not go beyond that without serious harm (i.e. Barry Bonds could stay in the game, but not without, more or less, destroying himself from the inside out with Steroids). One of the reasons that Gai and Lee train so much is becuase the body grows accustomed to that type of physical activity, and if they did not train constantly, they would start losing their physical abilities (Gai is about at his peak physical condition, which can be partially determined by the fact that he is around 30 or so years old). While physical abilities can have a limit (chakra is the combination of Physical energy (created via training) and spiritual/mental energy (created via meditation etc.), so of course once the physical abilities have reached their limit, the chakra reserves can not be expanded upon), mastering ones own chakra (i.e. control) and learning new jutsus, is nearly limitless.

I am sorry, I am going to have to stop discussing this here, it is just too off topic.

[Khalilnaruske]

Shino. He is a cool character, but he is too annoying.

[Jessica Jolie]

I hate saskue he is too OP
i signed up over here just to share naruto stuff
so hola everyone..
I hate uchihas thats all lol

[james0246]

^What does OP mean? On forums it generally means Opening Post, but you seem to be using it differently.

[naruto89]

Originally Posted by james3wk

^What does OP mean? On forums it generally means Opening Post, but you seem to be using it differently.

Over Powerful


i guess

[Ryuujin]

Originally Posted by james3wk

^What does OP mean? On forums it generally means Opening Post, but you seem to be using it differently.

Overpowered, I imagine...

[Keroko]

Overpowered is the right word, its a gamers slang often used in RTS or MMO's, reffering to one 'side' 'race' or 'class' being vastly more powerfull then the others to the point where winning is almost impossible.

This term is often subject to opinion, as many people are quick to scream 'OP!' when they lose a few times against one particular side or class, even though they can often defeat them if they tried differently or gained more experience (more often then not users of the term refuse to admit the oposing player was simply better)

[Mr. Johnny 5]

Well there are quite a few things that i hate and like at the same time.
Starting with one of my favorites (types).

ANBU

Spoiler for ANBU:

These guy's are hunting and have extremely dangerous missions. You'd expect more of these guy's. We have so far always watched them fail. They were useless.
So is a mission: "Capture the missing nin - Oro/Itachi" realistic? Hell no. ANBU gets suicide missions all the time. I am quite positive that if an ANBU mission was. Capture or kill Sakura that they would be completely destroyed body parts everywhere...blood staines allover the place etc. etc.

And at the same time we've seen Yamato, Kakashi, Itachi, Jiraiya all as ex-ANBU members.
Really...how about showing some good things from ANBU. They are actually the real ninja's.
[Stealth/Tactics/NO DBZ techniques]

Uchiha Sasuke

Spoiler for Sasuke:

Well he seemed alright in the beginning. Even though i hated his attitude. But right now...he's getting all these powerups as if he isnt famous enough. I'll make a list.

Spoiler for Sasuke's powerup/abilities lists:

1# Most outstanding shinobi in the academy (TOP/GENIUS ROOKIE)
2# Part of the Konoha's most outstanding clan (Uchiha)
3# He's got the looks (every girl except Hinata likes him)
4# He unlocked the Sharingan and shortly after was given the Cursed Seal. (the CS seemed to have negative effects though)
5# He gains CS level 2. And all of sudden is 5x stronger then he was before.
6# He definetly over uses the CS but there don't seem to be any negative effects anymore.
[Part 2]
7# He appears and seems to be very powerfull he probably trained hard under Orochimaru (his power is still acceptable) [seems like 10x stronger/faster than Naruto]
8# He gains the abilities and powers from Orochimaru (something like the Kyuubi except no negative side effects)
9# He forms a new group Hebi to kill Itachi (even though he wanted to work alone)
10# Uchiha's from this moment on have the power to control the Kyuubi + MS has another level EMS which also has no bad side effects)
11# Sasuke defeats Itachi and gains MS + Ameterasu. [seems now like 50x stronger/faster than Naruto]

In other words...it should be that Naruto catches up to Sasuke even though there was a moment that Naruto surpassed him. But right now the gab gets bigger and bigger. Which is why i hate the character Naruto aswell.

Uzumaki Naruto

Spoiler for Naruto:

Probably everybody hates this guy in RL and within Naruto. He is stupid, has no common sense, is annoying and screams at everyone. From the beginning he was given a strenght by the 4th which obviously had terrible effects on Naruto.

Even now he has develloped new techniques which he isnt allowed to use. Examples to that.
1# He learns to control the Kyuubi chakra [part 1, Jiraiya taught him]
2# He is aware of the side effects [part1, battle with Sasuke]
3# He is taken by Jiraiya to train for 2.5 years. He can use the Kyuubi chakra even better now [part 2, Jiraiya taught him to develop this further]
4# Jiraiya tells Naruto that he isnt allowed to use "that jutsu" (Kyuubi strenght?)
5# Yamato tells Naruto not to use the Kyuubi chakra anymore. (we all saw the side effects)
6# Kakashi trains Naruto to develop a new jutsu - Fuuton Rasengan [50% completed, Tsunade tells him not to use it anymore.]

So...what kind of new techniques has Naruto? [1] - Oodama Rasengan. That is the only new jutsu which he can use without having bad side effects. Pretty much everything he learned was banned by others.

[dom33]

@shadowassasin read this over and over. you try to justify Naruto's limitations while never mentioning the fact Sauke has no limitations. a serious flaw in your argument.

also it's never good to have a GOD/HAX character in a anime series.

[HiroInazuma]

Originally Posted by Mr. Johnny 5

Well there are quite a few things that i hate and like at the same time.
Starting with one of my favorites (types).

ANBU

Spoiler for ANBU:

These guy's are hunting and have extremely dangerous missions. You'd expect more of these guy's. We have so far always watched them fail. They were useless.
So is a mission: "Capture the missing nin - Oro/Itachi" realistic? Hell no. ANBU gets suicide missions all the time. I am quite positive that if an ANBU mission was. Capture or kill Sakura that they would be completely destroyed body parts everywhere...blood staines allover the place etc. etc.

And at the same time we've seen Yamato, Kakashi, Itachi, Jiraiya all as ex-ANBU members.
Really...how about showing some good things from ANBU. They are actually the real ninja's.
[Stealth/Tactics/NO DBZ techniques]

Why do you think Kakashi, Itachi and Jiraiya left? They all knew that ANBU was useless it was kind of like:

Kakashi: Guys...we have a new mission, to assassinate Random Dangerous Joe, he is a great threat to Konoha
ANBU 1: OH BOY A MISSION!!! IT IS GOING TO BE SO GREAT
-later that day-
ANBU 1: SILENT DEATH OF FURY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Random Dangerous Joe: *stabs the ANBU member* Hmph...
Kakashi: Useless idiots...CHIDORI *kills Random Dangerous Joe*

Uchiha Sasuke

Spoiler for Sasuke:

Well he seemed alright in the beginning. Even though i hated his attitude. But right now...he's getting all these powerups as if he isnt famous enough. I'll make a list.

Spoiler for Sasuke's powerup/abilities lists:

1# Most outstanding shinobi in the academy (TOP/GENIUS ROOKIE)
2# Part of the Konoha's most outstanding clan (Uchiha)
3# He's got the looks (every girl except Hinata likes him)
4# He unlocked the Sharingan and shortly after was given the Cursed Seal. (the CS seemed to have negative effects though)
5# He gains CS level 2. And all of sudden is 5x stronger then he was before.
6# He definetly over uses the CS but there don't seem to be any negative effects anymore.
[Part 2]
7# He appears and seems to be very powerfull he probably trained hard under Orochimaru (his power is still acceptable) [seems like 10x stronger/faster than Naruto]
8# He gains the abilities and powers from Orochimaru (something like the Kyuubi except no negative side effects)
9# He forms a new group Hebi to kill Itachi (even though he wanted to work alone)
10# Uchiha's from this moment on have the power to control the Kyuubi + MS has another level EMS which also has no bad side effects)
11# Sasuke defeats Itachi and gains MS + Ameterasu. [seems now like 50x stronger/faster than Naruto]

In other words...it should be that Naruto catches up to Sasuke even though there was a moment that Naruto surpassed him. But right now the gab gets bigger and bigger. Which is why i hate the character Naruto aswell.

Spoiler for manga:

There is only one way Naruto can get that strong...somehow the key unlocks a seal on Minato's body, Minato will teach Naruto all his techniques, then Naruto finds his mother and Naruto's mother teaches him all her techniques, then he finds out he has a kekkei genkei, then Naruto gets complete control over the kyuubi and can use it's powers with no side affects. Also who else thinks Minato died in vain?

Uzumaki Naruto

Spoiler for Naruto:

Probably everybody hates this guy in RL and within Naruto. He is stupid, has no common sense, is annoying and screams at everyone. From the beginning he was given a strenght by the 4th which obviously had terrible effects on Naruto.

Even now he has develloped new techniques which he isnt allowed to use. Examples to that.
1# He learns to control the Kyuubi chakra [part 1, Jiraiya taught him]
2# He is aware of the side effects [part1, battle with Sasuke]
3# He is taken by Jiraiya to train for 2.5 years. He can use the Kyuubi chakra even better now [part 2, Jiraiya taught him to develop this further]
4# Jiraiya tells Naruto that he isnt allowed to use "that jutsu" (Kyuubi strenght?)
5# Yamato tells Naruto not to use the Kyuubi chakra anymore. (we all saw the side effects)
6# Kakashi trains Naruto to develop a new jutsu - Fuuton Rasengan [50% completed, Tsunade tells him not to use it anymore.]

So...what kind of new techniques has Naruto? [1] - Oodama Rasengan. That is the only new jutsu which he can use without having bad side effects. Pretty much everything he learned was banned by others.

Spoiler for Manga:

Naruto doesn't need more techniques that are S-Rank he needs A, B, C rank wind and normal jutsus also he needs another affinity and why is it that Jiraiya spent 2.5 years with Naruto and did not think of checking Naruto's affinity and did not think of teaching him some of the techniques he taught to Nagato I mean with 2.5/3 years he turned Nagato and Yahiko into killing machines but he spends all his time with Naruto and Naruto only knows Kage Bunshin and rasengan variants.