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Old 2014-09-14, 10:16   Link #361
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Also, is everyone in Japan really okay with sexualized (not just naked, but sexualized) anime children? It's not controversial at all? (As you may have seen from my previous posts, I'm not an expert on the subject.)
I can't speak for everyone but do you know what kind of stuff are sold at Comiket? Works of Manga, VN and arts of hentai, which mostly have minor characters in them. Porn works, with shota (young children) characters and other stuff. Higurashi was also released at a place like that. Think about that.

And Higurashi has been sexualizing its characters for promotional art for years now. Including Rika and Satoko.

Now let's switch back to MangaGamer. Most of the work they bring are porn. They won't even flicker their eyes at this complaint about an issue which...imo isn't even an issue in the first place.
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Old 2014-09-14, 10:18   Link #362
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Also, is everyone in Japan really okay with sexualized (not just naked, but sexualized) anime children? It's not controversial at all? (As you may have seen from my previous posts, I'm not an expert on the subject.)
I don't know all the ins and outs, but to my understanding Japan does have a more casual attitude towards nudity in general than the United States does, and nudity is sometimes considered a tool to enhance scenes when it's used with some kind of artistic purpose in mind (such as the final episode of Sailor Moon, where Usagi spent much of the final episode naked to represent her purity and such). In Higurashi it is intended to help serve that kind of purpose, whatever you might think of the execution or some of the surrounding details, and the Japanese aren't likely to examine the story under too much scrutiny given that nudity's treated more casually to begin with.
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Old 2014-09-14, 10:29   Link #363
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In Higurashi it is intended to help serve that kind of purpose, whatever you might think of the execution or some of the surrounding details, and the Japanese aren't likely to examine the story under too much scrutiny given that nudity's treated more casually to begin with.
I still think naked Satoko winks to fanservice though. For example, he didn't bother to draw a naked Battler for Umineko's EP2 ending, right? And they were both on screen for about equal time spans.
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Old 2014-09-14, 10:31   Link #364
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I don't know about the French translation, but I know the English translation doesn't say anything like that. That's weird. Did one translation have a line added or removed, because it doesn't make sense to do something like that (unless someone made a mistake during translation). Can anyone confirm this line was originally supposed to be there?

If you want the line :

"Sa serviette de bain était tombée, mais cela n'avait pas l'air de la déranger plus que ça."

I kinda doubt this line wasn't in the original, that wouldn't be logical.
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Old 2014-09-14, 10:41   Link #365
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I don't know about the French translation, but I know the English translation doesn't say anything like that. That's weird. Did one translation have a line added or removed, because it doesn't make sense to do something like that (unless someone made a mistake during translation). Can anyone confirm this line was originally supposed to be there?
The English translation is one of the worst translations of anything I've ever seen officially released, so who knows what was actually in the original. I haven't read it yet myself, so I can't really confirm.

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Also, is everyone in Japan really okay with sexualized (not just naked, but sexualized) anime children? It's not controversial at all? (As you may have seen from my previous posts, I'm not an expert on the subject.)
As for Japan's attitude to sexual stuff, it's very casual. To give you a few examples, there's a six-floor sex shop right next to the train station in Akihabara, and from my experience it's always quite full, even if it's mostly just curious people. Similarly, you have floors dedicated to porn/hentai randomly put together with otherwise harmless game/DVD shops, and it's just as normal to browse the goods there as it is the 'safe' stuff. I'd be extremely ashamed to go into such a shop where I live, but in Japan everyone had such an open-minded attitude to that sort of stuff that it felt completely fine. Heck, I've even seen old people shopping there, and it was no fuss. As one other example, ComiKet is a huge public event that allows people to sell their stuff (this is where all the doujins, including Higurashi, come from), and guess what? Most of it is either porn or something very close to it, and since there's so much of it, chances are you will come across something really weird; naked little girls are nothing to get surprised about in comparison.

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Now let's switch back to MangaGamer. Most of the work they bring are porn. They won't even flicker their eyes at this complaint about an issue which...imo isn't even an issue in the first place.
Nukige are easy money. They're short and mostly poorly written, so translating them doesn't really take much effort - and they apparently sell. Not to mention that MG actually uncensors their releases, so maybe instead of complaining about a suggestive sprite, we should be glad they didn't pepper in some h-scenes for extra profit.
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Old 2014-09-14, 13:03   Link #366
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That really is weird. Why wouldn't they say that in the English translation? Bad translation or not, that seems like a really big screw up. I have to agree with Captain Bluebeard, though. No matter how I look at it, the sprite seems to have been intended as fanservice. Even the towel sprite contradicts the text just for the sake of showing skin.

Just out of curiosity, does anyone know if the original Japanese version has this line?
I can imagine a sequence of events where the MangaGamer translation left out a line like that. The original had a sprite where Satoko was fully naked, and MangaGamer planned at first to replace all instances of that sprite with her towel sprite. After fan pressure, though, they decided to release it uncensored with the original naked sprite: http://mangagamer.wordpress.com/2009...t-be-censored/

I can imagine they originally wrote up the script, and removed that line for consistency's sake with the toweled sprite they'd chosen to use. Then they changed back the sprite, and never added the line back in to the script.

This whole conversation reminds me a bit of Janet Jackson's "wardrobe malfunction" in the Super Bowl. People sure do love to spout endlessly on these topics, analyzing the details of a girl's nudity like it was the Kennedy assassination tapes.
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Old 2014-09-15, 08:15   Link #367
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So now we wait for the release date. I'm too hyped for it, I want it now ><
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Old 2014-09-16, 02:26   Link #368
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Another Q/A on the ask of Mangagamer, with Shion AM's Steam sprite.

So I was browsing through the internet and found a cleaned up version of the Rena sprite on the animesuki forums. It looked so much better, is it okay if you use that sprite instead of the one below? Also have any Shion sprites been completed for Steam Higurashi?

While it might be possible to modify Higurashi after it's out, we only intend to include the original sprites and the newly developed ones with the Steam release.
As for the second question, yes, Shion sprites are completed. Here, have a look at one!

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Old 2014-09-16, 06:27   Link #369
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Wow, I love it!

Wish they released a casual of her too. Somoene ask them about a male I wonder how Keichi and Satoshi look.

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Old 2014-09-16, 08:31   Link #370
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That Shion sprite looks really good indeed, although they forgot the dish thing that she was always holding in her hand, though it doesn't bother me.

I wish they fixed Rena's sprite, though.
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Old 2014-09-16, 12:49   Link #371
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Shion's sprite is adorable!

I'm thinking we'll be seeing Keiichi and Satoshi's sprites way later though since we don't really visually see them in the arcs until Kai?
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Old 2014-09-16, 13:15   Link #372
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Keichi first appears in Meakashi, yeah. So you may be right. We won't see him for a while xD

I'm also very excited for Takano and Tomitake. PS2 sprites of these two were kinda boring.
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Old 2014-09-16, 16:27   Link #373
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as usual, tried to see how it could be improved a bit and tested the render with Alchemist's bgs.
Somehow, the sprite didn't really felt sexy to me, then I adapted the suit color to make it more like Alchemist's, and I think it looks way better now. Also quickly changed the hairs colors.


And they're placing the mouth too high to me.

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Old 2014-09-16, 17:59   Link #374
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As usual, made a sprite comparison.

Ps : actually, the Kizuna body is a bit more different, but couldn't get the reference for it.

And wait, am I blind or did they make a crazy mistake here ? Shion's front hairs are way longer than Mion's here.
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Old 2014-09-16, 18:21   Link #375
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oh, and they just released the preview of Irie too :



He looks good, but damn, his nose is too weird.
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Old 2014-09-16, 21:12   Link #376
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And wait, am I blind or did they make a crazy mistake here ? Shion's front hairs are way longer than Mion's here.
I actually think they probably did that on purpose, trying to be clever and make Shion and Mion stand out from one another. I don't mind that, actually, it's kind of cute.

Also, does anyone know if the BD-Boxes coming out soon will have subtitles? They probably don't, but I just want to make sure. (Thanks to Geneon and Siren, the whole series does have official subs, so it's possible. But unlikely.)
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Old 2014-09-17, 04:10   Link #377
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Okay, I'm convinced now. THIS is my favourite incarnation of Higurashi sprites and I can't wait to get my hands on it ^^
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Old 2014-09-17, 05:05   Link #378
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testing how the Steam release should look (left) compared my modifications and Alchemist's bgs. Made Shion taller taller, since she just tooked to young to me here (used the Alchemist sprites sizes as a reference for that).
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Old 2014-09-17, 05:20   Link #379
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And Irie's sprite comparison.
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Old 2014-09-17, 08:09   Link #380
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In case they won't "fix" their current sprites, we'll probably get used to them anyway. It won't really deduct much from my reading experience, at least.

I wonder if they'll be making sprites for some characters that previously didn't have a sprite? Such as Kimiyoshi Kiichirou (the village chief) or Sonozaki Oryou (Mion's and Shion's grandmother). Kizuna (the DS version of Higurashi) has sprites for both of those characters, and some others like Kumagai (Ooishi's partner).
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