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Chances are Lelouch positively worshipped his mother like pretty much everyone else. The only thing worse than Marianne ruining his life on purpose would probably be Nunnally ruining his life on purpose, so Lelouch's reaction could have been anything from going into denial for a while and giving C.C. a bit of hate to going on a killing spree.
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2010-09-26, 18:29 | Link #7743 | |
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2010-09-26, 20:29 | Link #7745 |
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Still, I kind of think it was sensible to hide it from him. Even if he COULD have taken the news in stride, the chance that he wouldn't is too much of a risk to everything. And you're right about the idea of Nunnally betraying him would be the worst thing. That was alluded to in Lelouch's final 'battle' with Charles. He became utterly unhinged when Charles said that Nunnally isn't as perfect as Lelouch thinks she is.
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2010-09-26, 22:44 | Link #7746 | |
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Now I want to re-watch R2.
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Though I imagine the conversation with Clovis would have been interesting... "Well, you know, I originally intended to shoot you, but now I found out I should rather shoot my mother or something, so I'm kind of just here because C.C. just screwed up the plot..." "I see... tea, then?" ...Oh God, the crack ideas.
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2010-09-27, 07:49 | Link #7749 |
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Honestly the whole 'final battle' with Lelouch and Charles was a bit of a mind screw for me. People kept saying things that didn't immediately make sense, either in the original japanese or in english.
In any case, I am not yet disproven. The point is, Charles basically said that Lelouch's worldview concerning Nunnally was wrong, and Lelouch became slightly unhinged about that. |
2010-09-27, 11:53 | Link #7750 |
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No. Charles said absolutely nothing to that effect. He and Marianne talked about wanting a world that was kind to them, and that was what not only what Nunnally, but also Euphemia, wanted. It was Lelouch's rebuttal in general that Charles called a lie. Lelouch may have gotten emotional regarding Nunnally there, but it was because he felt that Charles had disrespected her one too many times.
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2010-09-27, 17:34 | Link #7751 |
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I have a question.
Wasn't CC's wish to be truly loved by someone in earnest since her Geass made everyone she came in contact with love her artificially? I ask because I didn't think Lelouch fulfilled her wish.
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2010-09-27, 21:31 | Link #7754 |
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I meant romantic love, because that's what she was seeking when she described her power of Geass to Lelouch.
I think that was certainly part of it, but I also got the impression from watching the C's World episode again that she was talking about actual romantic love. That's why I say Lelouch didn't deliver because the R2 Guidebook states that Lelouch didn't love her romantically. Kinda in the same way he rejected Kallen. It's a shame that R2 was not written better.
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That's not what the R2 Guidebook says. I've got a copy and have translated it. In fact LijianLiang's translation is nearly identical to what I got out of the page (page 15). Quote:
I'm easy. If you want to believe that they could have had a relationship, then more power to you, but just please don't ask me to see it that way because R2 was such a wreck that any pairing was possible. As I said elsewhere. We were not given an Official Couple in this series and that kinda sucks. For all we know Roloko might be onto something and Lelouch x Rolo might have been the correct pairing. I'm now on my....I think 13th time watching this series...let's see, 5 in japanese (fansubbed), 4 in English (adultswim 1, DVDs 3) for Dirge, 3 for Chronicles, and I just started watching it again (this time on Youtube to save my DVDs ) for Alpha and Omega so...yeah that's 13 times. Geez that's embarrassing. Anyway, the two main pairings that keep screaming out at me are NOT CCxLelouch or KallenxLelouch, they are ShirleyxLelouch and SuzakuxLelouch (I'm not kidding). Take that for what it's worth. But enough of that, this is the general discussion thread not the Romance thread so let's move on. What was my original question again? Oh yeah. Why do you think we were never told whether CC's wish was fulfilled?
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2010-09-28, 00:42 | Link #7757 |
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"Even though she is able to tell Lelouch, who assumed the seat of emperor, her decision of wanting to live and die alongside him, Lelouch rejects her. What he chose is Suzaku and C.C."
This is plot summary. It bears little relevance on how he actually felt for her. To "reject" her in this manner is simply to push her away. Doesn't mean he didn't feel anything for her. I don't feel like going much deeper than that, but taking that one line as a solid rejection is clearly taking it out of context.
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2010-09-28, 00:46 | Link #7758 | |
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Which is what I keep trying to tell people about the R2 Guidebook. It doesn't tell us diddly squat outside of what we see in the anime (for story anyway). I mean...the pictures are nice. But the info is generic. Taniguichi made it very clear that fans were to make up their own conclusions about the pairings and Okouchi confirmed old Lulu died a virgin, so that pretty much seals any further discussion. Nevertheless, I must ask you morbosfist. Do you have any idea why we weren't given more info on what CC's wish was?
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2010-09-28, 00:50 | Link #7759 |
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Aside from laziness near the end (they clearly dragged their feet and had to up the pace), I felt that wish was clear enough after Turn 16. They don't spell it out, but it's obvious her wish was for companionship, it's just that Geass twisted that into a superficial thing, and being immortal just jaded her from then on.
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2010-09-28, 00:52 | Link #7760 |
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See that's what I've gotten out of it also.
Thus we agree. I think she was cold, frigid, and lonely. Maybe it had something to do with her experience with Mao, I dunno, but it seems that with Lelouch she was being cautious. Does that make sense?
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