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Meh. I've never really had a bias over the different "eras". Different times, different technology.
While I end up seeing more and more of today's stuff - I don't mind going back on a few series back in the day. I still have to finish up much of the Slayers series, after all. Plus, there are a bunch of old gems back in the day too -- like oh... I dunno... Goldenboy and Gunbuster. Also... you know that you've been on the Internets long enough... if you know what a "web ring" is. Quote:
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2012-03-20, 08:43 | Link #142 |
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I'm kind of with Kyuu here... I have favorites out of each era and more than one genre. I like a variety of art styles. I will say I was ambivalent on anime in general until I discovered there were comedy series and romantic comedy series. Those tend to be my favored items to watch.
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2012-03-20, 10:03 | Link #143 | |
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Which is what my first post in the thread was saying, niche target audience leading to a narrow range of creativity and expression. Otakus being the bulk of paying audience has increased the frequency of moe anime and style over the years. And the anime industry's failure to adapt has cost them much in recent years. Alot of Japanese shun anime and otakus simply because the amount of pretty and cute is too creepy for them. The same can be seen internationally, anime simply can't beat western animation. Most of the world prefers less pretty and we are the niche audience outside of Japan who can still appreciate anime. Just to remind everyone that I've been objective in my posts all the while, I'm criticising anime even though I watch lots of anime myself. But after I became an animator, I believe I've watched more international animation than anime and I can see why anime remains such a niche type of animation. And back to the main discussion of this thread, 80's and modern. One big factor that differentiates the vintage anime style and modern is the artists' training in arts. Art in the olden days was a practice that demands a great amount of technical training, alot of the old mangka are figure drawing artists with great skill. The modern practice in art has been watered down alot, people no longer spend the whole day everyday on figure drawing, still life, drawing straight lines and circles. People no longer create a style out of their sheer amount of drawing, but instead take on the styles of others and tweak it to their own style. This is seen in all areas of art and design, not just manga. And in anime its another story entirely, simply because the animators are not the original mangaka or character designers, they are people who draw to the style of the studio. From thousands of mangakas, the manga are adapted into hundreds of studios, instantly narrowing the style range from thousands of styles into hundreds. And the anime industry further narrows it down for niche target audience. Modern anime is the result of such manufacturing processes, a narrow band of styles.
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2012-03-20, 13:22 | Link #147 | |
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I would save each other about the history of animation,the animating and film techniques and technology used in animation as a whole. The simple fact is as an animation and film, anime is primitive and technically inferior to the west. I seem to praise the west alot, so to reaffirm my objectivity, I'm a South East Asian who grew up on mecha anime since the age of 3. I do love anime, but the fact is anime is inferior to most animation out there. Static pretty pictures, sparkly blinking eyes and insane explosions after a badass static pose says nothing about animation. They are all just pretty pictures and not animation. Even the very best of Miyazaki's hand drawn animations still do not compare in technique to the true masterpiece classics of 1940's Disney animation. Sure Ghibli has really pretty and colourful worlds, but I credit that to artist Kazuo Oga more than anything. If its not niche, how come you're only mentioning the most mainstream of series that is on sale? And do you think the series you mentioned outsells other non Japanese animations?
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2012-03-20, 14:23 | Link #148 |
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I can't really disagree there, and I guess it's only fair that Western cartoons excel in one area seeing how terrible they are overall. Not much of a resume, though... "Our artwork is sparse and bland, our soundtracks are meaningless background noise, the shows themselves are generally vapid nonsense that even kids in the upper single digits find hard to enjoy (I was one of them btw), and we basically just churn out cheap, poorly-written, low-quality garbage because we think kids are too stupid to enjoy anything else, but hey, at least the characters move real smoothly!"
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2012-03-20, 14:29 | Link #149 | |
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Things turned around in the late 80s with Warner Bros returning to animation and lead the way with Tiny Toon Adventures and Animaniacs both of whom were pretty revolutionary for that time. Seth MacFarlane, Butch Hartman, and Genndy Tartakovsky brought Hanna-Barbera back from the dead and around the same time Matt Groening came up with the Simpsons. The technological innovation in western animation can partly be traced back to the restart of the industry at that time when new ideas were desperately needed. The Japanese studios on the other hand have simply continued the old practice of limited animation. The development in anime has been more on producing the same type of material with increasingly cheaper production methods. If you remove that static element, will it still be anime? Last edited by Bri; 2012-03-20 at 14:46. |
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2012-03-20, 14:37 | Link #150 |
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Some of the 90s western animation was done by the Japanese anyway. There has even been a suggestion that Kyoto Animation was involved with at least one episode of Animaniacs as contract work for TMS. They have been around since 1981. They just didn't do their own work until the last decade.
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2012-03-20, 16:00 | Link #152 |
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Now that's just downright untrue. We all know how animation in anime tends to suddenly become tenfold better during the more important scenes. Japanese animation studios don't have the budget to make every single moment of every single episode look awesome and smooth, but the animation does do its job properly when it really has to.
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2012-03-20, 16:19 | Link #155 | |
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.........I'm not sure if he even had a name. Spoiler for "lol this guy:
Weren't there some guys in Evangelion with wicked-looking noses too? The ones who sat around the table....?
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2012-03-20, 19:02 | Link #157 | |
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http://80scartoons.net/toons/ hmm, scary how much I remember from that list... |
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2012-03-20, 19:29 | Link #158 | |
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edit: while we are in the subject of animation : I don't think japanese animation is that bad at all. Especially compared to the things that I have seen from cartoons made in other countries like England, France, Germany, China, Italy Last edited by hyl; 2012-03-20 at 20:17. |
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I have seen many anatomically incorrect drawn characters from Marvel, DC and Black horse comics. Like the most common mistake of physical impossible poses seen in many covers. Also in lots of instances the proportions and the muscules of how the characters are drawn in these comics are also quite exagerated and sometimes anatomically incorrect. Quote:
Also some cartoons with unique style like simpsons or south park are not doing that well because of its animation, but rather for its satircal content. |
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