Gundam Build Divers - Episode 13 Discussion / Poll

[RRW]

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[devilo96]

Old generation(sei and sekai):this is so fun...gunpla battle...fight until the end dont care about repair
New generation:Who want that gunpla fight....sorry 00 diver...and the last crying cuz the gundam get rekt in real life
And astray no name is so damn cool

[B214]

So Riku cries simply because his gunpla gets damaged. Sei needs to slap some sense into this guy.

[Ryuuoh DeltaPlus]

For all the bad stuff he did to GBN, Tsukasa actually has some good character traits. He's true to his word by returning Ayame's SD Gunpla, and he his love Gunpla is genuine, albeit a bit warped.

[Skye629]

Now thats what I watch BF for, gundams/gunpla ripping each other apart. Granted the animation/choreo is still not quite up to previous iterations standards, but aside from the prelude fight, its the best we got so far


New levels of stupid, my one big complaint of this episode. Its the second biggest nono for any online game, and thats AGREEING TO MEET A STRANGER IRL UNDER SUPER SHADY CONDITIONS. God fucking dammit Riku. If this wasn't a family friendly show they would have found your body at the bottom of the river (or whats left of it) a few months later. First biggest being giving out personal information online


Tsukasa (of course it was him, it was obvious as f), needs to get his ass out of the past. His motivation is understandable, but he really has no idea how to deal with it properly. Personally he's coming across as someone who only had that one group of friends, then GBN tore everything away from him, both his hobby and pals. It hurts, but what he did was completely out of proportion and does nothing to solve his problem overall. I hope they do more with his character, or he's gonna be a goddamn waste.

You don't see me crying/raging about playing card games which has moved from playing on the sidewalk with friends to more online orientated versions

THATS ONE SICK AS F ASTRAY. GIMME A GUNPLA KIT PLEASE


The gunpla battle system is definitely different from BF/BFT, fold out physical controls, no plavsky particles, no need for a build base/key, etc. At this point I'm much more skeptical that its the same universe


God Ayame is cute as hell when she's actually happy. Question now is whether she's going to use that team gunpla, or her own one



Riku's new Gunpla got WoL's, god I'm a sucker for Gundams which has those........

[Router25]

Originally Posted by Skye629

Riku's new Gunpla got WoL's, god I'm a sucker for Gundams which has those........

Seems to me it's a Destiny Backpack. What we don't know is whether he'll stick to a 00 frame or a SEED frame.

[Ernietheracefan]

Originally Posted by Router25

Seems to me it's a Destiny Backpack. What we don't know is whether he'll stick to a 00 frame or a SEED frame.

Or 00xSeed frame..

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Surprisingly, I actually quite enjoy this episode.

Sure, the stupidity and cheesiness of the characters' motivations are still very high but at least Riku left his Deus Ex-Waifu in GBN so the fight went relatively fair in GPD. Well, as fair as a Gary Stu-ish MC goes anyway. I mean, this newbie beat a freakin' veteran in his own game! How more OP of a player can you get despite being a regular boy? I like Tsukasa's intensity, but his vengeance and method to destroy GBN is still facepalm-worthy.

The fight choreography is also pretty strong this episode. We see many dynamic angles and varied light-shows and the movements are also fast and intense. Finally, we get a fight that's as good as the Prologue and episode 3. Maybe the animators and the director were having a good day when they made this episode.

I like Astray No-Name. It's like a mix of Amatsu + Testament + a tiny bit of Darkhound + funnels. Can't wait to get the HG/RG of it.

The thing with Ayame is........nice, I guess. At least she gets the "friendship"-gunpla and now she's freed from the eye-rolling motivation for being a spy. But will she leave her old Force just like that though? I mean, if her old friends have no intention to return back to the SD Force even after the reunion at the end of the episode then I guess she can finally join Riku's team for real. After all, a one-person guild/force won't function properly anyway.

One more thing: the way Riku addressed Tsukasa's love for Gunpla is like newer Gundam fans (who like AUs) speaking to Gundam Elitists (mostly UC-diehards) to let go of the hate and throw away the salt because, at the end of the day, both sides love Gundam. I quite like that message, actually. Still, the message could've been stronger in a better-written Build show, but I appreciate the effort.

[Trung-t-rung]

Originally Posted by B214

So Riku cries simply because his gunpla gets damaged. Sei needs to slap some sense into this guy.

Imagine playing for months and leveled up a character in MMORPG and it ended up being lost. It would be pretty frustrating even for an adult and here is a middle school kid.

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Surprisingly, I actually quite enjoy this episode.

Sure, the stupidity and cheesiness of the characters' motivations are still very high but at least Riku left his Deus Ex-Waifu in GBN so the fight went relatively fair in GPD. Well, as fair as a Gary Stu-ish MC goes anyway. I mean, this newbie beat a freakin' veteran in his own game! How more OP of a player can you get despite being a regular boy? I like Tsukasa's intensity, but his vengeance and method to destroy GBN is still facepalming.

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Because Tsukasa is shit at his own game and the control of GBN and GPD are basically the same. Assuming Tsukasa was the best player of GPD, a glorified arcade game, then he was at best, the best of that small district. Compared him to the skill cap level of TRUE veteran like champ who was a world-level and Riku who basically caught him off-guard, it's easy to see how the result played out.

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

One more thing: the way Riku addressed Tsukasa's love for Gunpla is like newer Gundam fans (who like AUs) speaking to Gundam Elistists (mostly UC-diehards) to let go of the hate and throw away the salt because, at the end of the day, both sides love Gundam. I quite like that message, actually. Still, the message could've been stronger in a better-written Build show, but I appreciate the effort.

Tsukasa is basically a butthurt manchild when seeing LAN party and arcade going out of style and replaced by MMO. I think the whole friendship speech actually done well when half the fun of the MMO experience is the interaction between players/guildmates.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Trung-t-rung

Assuming Tsukasa was the best player of GPD, a glorified arcade game, then he was at best, the best of that small district. Compared him to the skill cap level of TRUE veteran like champ who was a world-level and Riku who basically caught him off-guard, it's easy to see how the result played out.

Didn't Koichi & Tsukasa talked about winning the GPD National Tournament in the old game-log in episode 6? If they were able to seriously talk about winning the National then it is implied that Koichi & Tsukasa's team was a regular in the National Tournament. Thus made Tsukasa a really good veteran of GPD which Riku defeated on his very first try.

Btw, Koichi himself was the 8th best builder in the world during his heyday.

[Trung-t-rung]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Didn't Koichi & Tsukasa talked about winning the GPD National Tournament in the old game-log in episode 6? If they were able to seriously talk about winning the National then it is implied that Koichi & Tsukasa's team was a regular in the National Tournament. Thus made Tsukasa a really good veteran of GPD which Riku defeated at the very first try.

He's still trained by one of best players in GBN, did plenty of grind and managed to edge out a win after catching Tsukasa off-guard. So hardly Gary Stu-ish, at least no more than Reiji beating down a whole bar of veterans, in a Ball.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Trung-t-rung

He's still trained by one of best players in GBN, did plenty of grind and managed to edge out a win after catching Tsukasa off-guard. So hardly Gary Stu-ish, at least no more than Reiji beating down a whole bar of veterans, in a Ball.

Yes yes, Reiji & Sekai are natural geniuses when it comes to fighting. One is an alien and the other is a mad student of Domon Kasshu. They were already established as so powerful in the very first episodes of their own series.

Riku, however, was built-up as this relatively-talented normal boy, but then he suddenly jumped to the genius level where he outshines other players when fighting the giant Big Zam. It's hard enough to buy that he can fight toe-to-toe alongside Champ & Rommel. But outshining them? Get outta here.

[Trung-t-rung]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

It's hard enough to buy than he can fight toe-to-toe with Champ & Rommel. But outshining them?

Not without Sarah's hack, he won't. In fact, did he ever did that? He didn't even have the rematch with the GN-X Orge guy which is probably not even as good as Champ. I just kind of skim anything from after Tigerwolf training.

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

Originally Posted by Trung-t-rung

Not without Sarah's hack, he won't. In fact, did he ever did that? He didn't even have the rematch with the GN-X Orge guy which is probably not even as good as Champ. I just kind of skim anything from after Tigerwolf training.

Riku survived the massive and numerous beam attacks by the giant Big Zam alongside Champ & Rommel when many other veteran players got zapped to death. And then Rommel got pancaked by the Big Zam while Riku survived with fewer damages to his 00 Diver.

The fact that Rommel only lost one arm after getting pancaked by Big Zam is kind of a retcon or a continuity error or the makers simply didn't care and stopped trying .

[Faux Mecha]

Tsukasa: "you pesky kids get off my lawn!"
dude's not even a senior citizen yet.

[Kanon]

That was a really good fight for once, and Astray no-name is a sweet gunpla. It does seem like Divers doesn't take place in the same universe as the older series after all, since the GBD system worked differently.

I didn't expect Riku to actually win, but at least there were consequences to this battle with his gunpla being damaged beyond repair.

Tsukasa is unintentionally funny. I agree he pretty much acts like a grumpy grandpa. "Back in my day, we had real gunpla battles! That was real fun, not like that video game crap you're always playing!"

[Skye629]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Riku, however, was built-up as this relatively-talented normal boy, but then he suddenly jumped to the genius level where he outshines other players when fighting the giant Big Zam. It's hard enough to buy that he can fight toe-to-toe alongside Champ & Rommel. But outshining them? Get outta here.

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Riku survived the massive and numerous beam attacks by the giant Big Zam alongside Champ & Rommel when many other veteran players got zapped to death. And then Rommel got pancaked by the Big Zam while Riku survived with fewer damages to his 00 Diver.

The fact that Rommel only lost one arm after getting pancaked by Big Zam is kind of a retcon or a continuity error or the makers simply didn't care and stopped trying .

He's not genius level, he still definitely has a ways to go before he can stand up to the best of the best. Just because he can fly next to them and dodge some beams doesn't make him one. Its rather just a basic requirement of the game. Part of it is luck too, when you have a million beams flying at you. We've also already established that he's pretty lucky, so there's that.

Riku also fared no better than anyone else while the Big Zam's Break Decals were still active. TransAm did nothing until Sarah augmented it and canceled out all the Break Decals in the server. Only then did they start putting holes in the thing and Riku got the finishing blow


Not all of the Coalition forces were pro's or vet's either. The main people we saw in the meeting were force leaders or the higher ranking members. In the actual battle they brought along the rest of their Force members, who were the cannon fodder we saw throughout most of the battle. Yes, some of the higher lvl/experienced players bit it, but that's only natural in a giant pitched battle, nobody's safe

And of course Rommel took more damage than Riku, he got stomped by the goddamn Big Zam. The minimal damage the Red Beret took is probably more a testament to it's build over anything else

[Skye629]

And for those who were wondering:

[RRW]

first thing come in my mind

[Ryuuoh DeltaPlus]

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

One more thing: the way Riku addressed Tsukasa's love for Gunpla is like newer Gundam fans (who like AUs) speaking to Gundam Elitists (mostly UC-diehards) to let go of the hate and throw away the salt because, at the end of the day, both sides love Gundam. I quite like that message, actually. Still, the message could've been stronger in a better-written Build show, but I appreciate the effort.

That's actually something good, especially these days where you're being ridiculed for liking the newer series (IBO, GBF/T, GBD) because "they're poorly-written shows with bland characters and no history unlike UC"