2009-02-28, 18:42 | Link #5481 |
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Well, we did have an angel avoiding being touched by his right hand at all costs. However, in the end he never touched her, so we don't know what would have happened had he done so.
Regardless, there always comes a point when fans start to over think things, and I think you kinda reached that point there with the 'he should have destroyed the universe 'cause he's touching it' thing. As for weaknesses, the arm itself is his weakness. He only has his right arm, nothing else. As long as it doesn't touch his right arm, anything can hurt him. Dragon's Breath destroyed a good part of his brain, Kaoiri's wires nearly cut him to pieces, Izzard incapacitated, shot and cut him, Accelerator was using him as a pinball... Really, it's only because of plotwriting that Touma is even alive at all. And that's in his own series. The Nanoha cast has it even easier, Nanoha... heck Teana can attack from all sides using Accel Shooter or Crossfire respectively, and Subaru could tear him to shreds, even if he can probably blick her IS, her Cyborg strength is purely mechanical. |
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Though if they tried to develop it, then there's always black ops intervention. But without Tree Diagram it's gonna be a lot slower. Quote:
...after all, because that Imagine Breaker exists, and works as it should in Toumaverse, that shows Toumaverse magic and esp aren't very different and something connects them such that he doesn't blow the world he's touching up. Canon has not revealed everything, and the fact that Imagine Breaker is catalogued but not understood by one side and completely missed out on the other, the fact that Rank 0 exists... Canon itself can be doubted. The truth is still out there. As such, as much as the thought of God and the Angels actually being just really really powerful and interactive illusions erks you, it's not above a Japanese writer. In other words, everyone's doing some form of lesser Ars Magna, from espers replacing reality with their own delusions, to mages casting spells from memory, to "God" existing. Only Ars Magna states it in your face (like how I used to do fanon), but because everyone has different perspectives on the subject they go "OMFG he's h4xxing" (and a very familiar reaction for me too). Once this is settled, we can then see that mages from Nanoverse are different. The Wolkies escape because they are hardcoded by a book which has no imagination, and that magic itself comes from the heart rather than the mind Quote:
As for my side of when Touma and Nanoha Collide: Spoiler for To Aru Tsundere no Kaleidoscope:
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2009-03-01, 06:05 | Link #5484 | ||||
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Besides, it's been a while since we had a serious discussion like this in Cadia. It's refreshing to know there's still a good discussion to be found when a decent plot passes by. Quote:
What does irk me... or rather, what I don't like, is downgrading the power of Imagine Breaker towards Nanohaverse magic. That would kinda make the point of a crossover rather moot, as it would just end up being 'look how superior Nanohaverse magic is!' I've read a lot of crossovers, and too many of the make the authors favorite the most powerful power. I'd like to avoid that, I want to make a crossover that makes both series follow the same rules, so instead of Nanohaverse magic being somehow resistant towards Imagine Breaker, I'll hold to it being affected just like anything else supernatural. Because, if you think about it, Nanohaverse magic is also created through the mind of the caster. Sure, the raw energy used may be biological, but in the end it is the mind of the caster that gives form to the spell. Quote:
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Secondly, just why did the bureau want to take him in? By all means the TSAB has zero rights to 'decide' what to do with him. He's a civilian of earth, an unadministered planet. Though you raised a point I'm quite curious about myself now.... just when was Academy City founded? *rushes of to the To Aru forum* Yes, join the To Aru crack. You know you want to. :3 Last edited by Keroko; 2009-03-01 at 06:22. |
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The key in the issue is that Imagine Breaker itself is so poorly understood, transporting it elsewhere lock stock and barrel is a lot harder without literally breaking something... ...hence why I'm not doing a Toumaverse in Nanoverse but rather a Nanoverse in Toumaverse, told completely from Touma's perspective with a facade in place that conforms to Toumaverse rules because the reverse is just too messy without a full Jack Sparky dossier on what makes Toumaverse tick. So we either delay the collision, or do it from within its own universe. Quote:
Or the freakiest way is that Imagine Breaker is in fact God's will itself (God's Right Hand of Justice, Gabriel was Left IIRC), and so it will work as it should and not work when appropiate according to the grand plan. This however means that it would be effective on everything under the sun in the appropiate manner except on God. It would be like using Dragon Slave on the Dark Lord. Nothing happens. Still to be safe, what I said earlier could hold true as well... Quote:
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It never did raise interest. Not until Index showed up and raised Church bells. By then Kha had been shadowing Touma and gathering details about his hand on the side. Anita read the reports when she arrived and it rang a bell. Seeing it in action progressed to red flags, as historically in Ancient Belka, Adepta often were called in to put down unsanctioned individuals with Imagine Breaker. Kha's very good at covert ops. And even when there's no possibility of hiding near the target, he's got a ShariCam fixed on Touma... Quote:
...then Jail moves his Black Knight. I just gave another story element away did I...? <_< I thought it was a long while ago. Something like that doesn't pop up overnight and become so accepted or advanced.
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2009-03-01, 08:10 | Link #5486 | ||||
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Yes, you counter that with saying Rule Breaker does the same thing opposite, but there is a key difference, and that difference is that Rule Breaker if fanon, rather then canon. People will know what Imagine Breaker is, and seeing Imagine Breaker being less effective on Nanohaverse magi will make them question"... why didn't Imagine Breaker cancel that spell as usual?" the same does not hold true for Rule Breaker. Quote:
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You'd be better of by taking a page out of Storm's book and having her label Touma as a potential threat to Familiars and other magical constructs. Though you'd still need an excuse for her to take him away like that... |
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As such, they are still building their case from their end by MC 0073. They don't even breathe a word to the Aces lest they become bigger target boards than they already are. This fits into the scheme of things from the Nanohaverse side, but it is not needed for the Toumaverse side, which is a lot simpler and more fun since they don't need to know everything. A new villain seems to be after Index, but the actual target will astound everyone! Stop making me giveaway plot elements! Your turning the thread into a Khegami Magazine!!! >_< Yes still doesn't warrant her taking him away like that, but I'll take it. Makes for even more WTF for Touma. But rest assured it's an excuse and the real reason will come to light after she lets him go.
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That, or actually write it. That way you'll get less dissection (isn't that right, ATC? ) |
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Not gonna happen any time soon either cos I'd have to stop WoWing first. I have 2 more 80s to go, and they are in their 30s atm. And then I still have a rogue and pally to level from 1...
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2009-03-01, 13:47 | Link #5491 | |
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Then again, I ain't got any room to talk about that. And about 15 minutes from now, I'm officially 22! *goes off to wolf down more cake* and it isn't a lie! :3
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You ready for this? No? Too bad~ /me PAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANCH! LE-kun 22 times. /me hands back LE-kun's blood.
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What's up with Kerokero... >_> I wonder what kind of game pays you to be offline... It only means that when you start out you'd have to spend so much time offline.
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2009-03-02, 13:57 | Link #5499 | |
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A little late but: Happy Birthday! Feeling old already? Mine was last month. ^^ Hm... I'm still writing on part 8 of my main story. It's not very long but I find myself rewriting parts again and again. Well as long I feel more statisfied with the edited parts, everything is good I guess. As soon as I finish this one I will concentrate on the next chapter of Nightfall.
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Dunno if that's good or bad, but there you go.
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