2012-01-01, 05:20
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Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: FL, USA
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2 point shows are bold. Rest are just 1 points
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Oddly Comedy was probably the absolute hardest choice for me, since in 3rd choice I had to pick between Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai, nichijou, A-channel, carnival phantasm, and few other shows  .
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2012-01-01, 07:49
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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Personally besides Drama/Tragedy I felt Penguindrum fits best in the Mystery category as finding out what the Penguindrum is and who the characters really are is what I feel the series is about. It was like unraveling a puzzle. Although I guess my idea of a mystery doesn't exactly fit the category description. Madoka Magica I feel is more fantasy than sci-fi even with some sci-fi elements. But I admit I am not sure about nominating any series because I am having a real difficult time classifying so many.
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2012-01-01, 08:16
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Join Date: Dec 2008
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-{A1}- [Action/Adventure]
-{A2}- [Fantasy]
-{A3}- [Science-Fiction]
-{A4}- [Mystery/Horror]
-{A5}- [Comedy]
-{A6}- [Slice of Life]
-{A7}- [Drama/Tragedy]
-{A8}- [Romance]
-{A9}- [Fanservice/Ecchi/Moe]
-{A0}- [Sports/Game/Hobby]
-{B1}- [TV series]
-{B2}- [Movie/OVA/Shorts]
-{C1}- [Storyline/Plot]
-{C2}- [Adaptation]
-{C3}- [Original Story]
-{C4}- [Female Main Character]
-{C5}- [Male Main Character]
-{C6}- [Female Supporting Character]
-{C7}- [Male Supporting Character] -{C8}- [Antagonist]
-{D1}- [Visuals/Animation]
-{D2}- [Opening/Ending Song]
-{D3}- [Soundtrack]
[feedback]I think we should remove "song" from OP/ED category. It should be fine to vote for OP/ED sequence and how well they fit the series as well (this is anime awards), instead of just the songs. [feedback]I think we should remove "song" from OP/ED category. And since we have another thread that already deals with OP/ED seperately, maybe we should change this to best OP/ED combination. Not just for the best opening song or best ending song, but rather for a best opening and ending combination. This includes, but is not limited to, the songs, but also the animation in the opening and ending sequences, and also how well it blends/fits into the anime by introducing the episode and rounds it off. [feedback]I dislike the explainations for both Fantasy and Sci-Fi. I think they need to get reworked on until next year. There's tons of fantasy works that deals with macabre themes. A lot of contemporary fantasy does. Sci-Fi is harder to define, but as you say the the main thing is that it's more or less plausible, given the knowledge and technology we have today. I find the whole part explaining about paranormal activities unnecessary and even incorrect. Lots of fantasy also give more or less explanations about how magic work etc, but you still don't believe them. That's really the only difference between Fantasy and Sci-Fi, if you believe it can happen or not (given our current knowledge and technology). With your current genre descriptions something like Mushishi that explains its paranormal activity and deals with macabre themes would fall into Sci-Fi. [feedback]You should probably clarify the [Movie/OVA/Shorts] to include anything less than 3 hours or so. [feedback][Storyline/Plot] could also need clarifying, that it consists of two components (like visuals is artstyle + animation), concept (overall story idea) and writing/scripting (execution and handling of the idea). [feedback]I think "Adventure" is superfluous in [Action/Adventure]. Most adventures fall into action and/or fantasy anyway. Another common attribute to action animes is high pace. [feedback]This might be stretching it, as there already is a lot of awards, but I think there are 2-3 more categories that could be interesting are [Characterization] This is a common award that has good logical reasons. Characters are a major part (maybe THE major part) in why we like a series. Well written and realized characters (eg Baccano!), maybe even with substaintial development (eg Kemono no Souja Erin), will often be a good anime. [feedback][Philosophical]This can give another depth, and for some people it's required to label something as masterpiece. Good portrayal or different themes or even single powerful revelations that affect your chain of thoughts. I love animes that make you think and ponder, like Mawaru Penguindrum, Mushishi, Paranoia Agent or even Hourou Musuko or Honey and Clover if you want. Problem is that it might overlap with Plot/Story too much. [feedback]Setting/World]There have been several times when I'm just struck by the beautiful world that I think its worth an awarad in itself. Mushishi (creative, mysterious, beautiful), Aria the Animation (beautiful), Tegami Bachi (always night except man-made suns). I think [Characterization] is lacking in any case. The others [Philosophical] and/or [Setting/World] aren't as crucial, but if more like the idea I'd also support it. Last edited by Stealther; 2012-01-05 at 13:49. Reason: added feedback |
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2012-01-01, 09:19
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: Real world
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Since I was only joining Animesuki last April, so this is my first nomination. There may be some categories that I will not vote for any anime as I did not watch that much animes last year. Alright, let's start.
Bolded ones are for 2 points. EDIT: 8th January 2012 -{A1}- [Action/Adventure]
-{A2}- [Fantasy]
-{A3}- [Science-Fiction]
-{A4}- [Mystery/Horror]
-{A5}- [Comedy]
-{A6}- [Slice of Life]
-{A7}- [Drama/Tragedy]
-{A8}- [Romance]
-{A9}- [Fanservice/Ecchi/Moe]
-{B1}- [TV series]
-{B2}- [Movie/OVA/Shorts]
-{C1}- [Storyline/Plot]
-{C2}- [Adaptation]
-{C3}- [Original Story]
-{C4}- [Female Main Character]
-{C5}- [Male Main Character]
-{C6}- [Female Supporting Character]
-{C7}- [Male Supporting Character]
-{C8}- [Antagonist]
-{D1}- [Visuals/Animation]
-{D2}- [Opening/Ending Song]
-{D3}- [Soundtrack]
Afterwords: (2nd January 2012) I have edited my nominations after some thinking though. It would be better if I can include TOS: United World ED1 in the OP/ED category. This song is really beautiful but oh well, wait for the next year. I judge the Adaptation category based on how closely the anime follows to the source material. I give Kamisama Dolls 2 points because the anime followed very closely to the manga. Applause to the director though.
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2012-01-01, 09:30
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Actually an Alligator
Join Date: Nov 2008
Age: 28
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Still haven't watched Madoka since I'm planning to watch it with some friends. But we always have to cancel it for different reasons.
But I think it'll be able to dominate averything without my votes anyway.  -{A1}- [Action/Adventure]
-{A2}- [Fantasy]
-{A3}- [Science-Fiction]
-{A4}- [Mystery/Horror]
-{A5}- [Comedy]
-{A6}- [Slice of Life]
-{A7}- [Drama/Tragedy]
-{A8}- [Romance]
-{A9}- [Fanservice/Ecchi/Moe]
-{B1}- [TV series]
-{B2}- [Movie/OVA/Shorts]
-{C1}- [Storyline/Plot]
-{C2}- [Adaptation]
-{C3}- [Original Story]
-{C4}- [Female Main Character]
-{C5}- [Male Main Character]
-{C6}- [Female Supporting Character]
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-{C8}- [Antagonist]
-{D1}- [Visuals/Animation]
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2012-01-01, 15:29
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┌(^o^)┘モリ!┌(^o^)┘モリ!
Join Date: Sep 2010
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-{A2}- [Fantasy]
-{A4}- [Mystery/Horror]
-{A5}- [Comedy]
-{A6}- [Slice of Life]
-{A8}- [Romance]
-{A9}- [Fanservice/Ecchi/Moe]
-{A0}- [Sports/Game/Hobby]
-{B1}- [TV series]
-{C1}- [Storyline/Plot]
-{C2}- [Adaptation]
-{C4}- [Female Main Character]
-{C5}- [Male Main Character]
-{C6}- [Female Supporting Character]
-{C8}- [Antagonist]
-{D1}- [Visuals/Animation]
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2012-01-01, 16:54
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North American Haruhiist
Join Date: Oct 2010
Age: 43
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I will include ongoing series because they are fresh in my mind now.
-{A1}- [Action/Adventure]
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2012-01-01, 16:55
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Cross Game - I need more
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: I've moved around the American West. I've lived in Oregon, Washington, Utah, and Oklahoma
Age: 44
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Thus technically the first season of Fate/Zero is completed. Technicalities are annoying things, and it's why you'll see a lot of people decided not to vote for Fate/Zero. Still we have to go by technicalities or otherwise we'd be constantly trying to special case all sorts of shows. Guilty Crown is the one that got screwed over the most as it ends in January I think. Mirai Nikki and Last Exile are both ineligible by the traditional rules. Both in the letter and spirit of the rules so I don't feel sorry for them. They'll be eligible next year after they are finished.
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2012-01-01, 17:02
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Join Date: Dec 2008
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Funny. [Movie/OVA/Shorts] does not include my two nominations which are 25 min respective 26 min (Ojii-san no Lamp and Fireball Charming). Is it really a fault on my end, and not the rules?
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2012-01-01, 17:17
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Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: event horizon
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Verifying against some sources looks like you are correct. Though some call it shorts, other refer to them as movies and others refer to them as specials. Sorry about that Stealther, we'll look into it. Just leave your votes as is we should have a answer on next intermediate tally.
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2012-01-01, 18:17
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Senior Member
Join Date: Nov 2009
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{A1}- [Action/Adventure]
-{A2}- [Fantasy]
-{A3}- [Science-Fiction]
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-{A5}- [Comedy]
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-{A7}- [Drama/Tragedy]
-{A8}- [Romance]
-{A9}- [Fanservice/Ecchi/Moe]
-{A0}- [Sports/Game/Hobby]
-{B1}- [TV series]
-{B2}- [Movie/OVA/Shorts]
-{C1}- [Storyline/Plot]
-{C2}- [Adaptation]
-{C3}- [Original Story]
-{C4}- [Female Main Character]
-{C5}- [Male Main Character]
-{C6}- [Female Supporting Character]
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-{C8}- [Antagonist]
-{D1}- [Visuals/Animation]
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2012-01-01, 18:40
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Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: Australia
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Query regarding Mardock Scramble: First Compression movie. The movie aired on November 11, 2010 in Japanese cinemas. I'm not sure when the DVD/Bluray's were exactly released, but I'm certain it was sometime in 2011, because it was sometime in 2011 I watched the movies. Given the rules for nominating movies that its DVD/Bluray releases have to be in 2011, I believe this is eligible for nomination.
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2012-01-01, 20:35
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Cross Game - I need more
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: I've moved around the American West. I've lived in Oregon, Washington, Utah, and Oklahoma
Age: 44
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Apparently we have a rule that movies that are a connected series aren't eligible until they are all finished, and Mardock Scramble hasn't finished yet. We also are deliberating about what to do about "The Princess of the Crystal" as she is a character in Penguindrum. (Mainly we are trying to decide if she should be a separate character or considered an alias for Momoka). We're still waiting for Haak and other organizers to weigh in. Hopefully we'll have it worked out by the time the next report post is posted.
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2012-01-01, 21:01
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Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Surrey, UK
Age: 39
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Here's my preliminary vote. There's still a few episodes I need to watch before I can consider two more series I've been watching. All done now
. -{A1} [Action/Adventure]
-{A2} [Fantasy]
-{A3} [Science-Fiction]
-{A4} [Mystery/Horror]
-{A5} [Comedy]
-{A6} [Slice of Life] -{A7} [Drama/Tragedy]
-{A8} [Romance]
-{A9} [Fanservice/Ecchi/Moe] -{A0} [Sports/Game/Hobby]
-{B1} [TV series]
-{B2} [Movie/OVA/Shorts]
-{C1} [Storyline/Plot]
-{C2} [Adaptation]
-{C3} [Original Story]
-{C4} [Female Main Character]
-{C5} [Male Main Character]
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-{C7} [Male Supporting Character]
-{C8} [Antagonist]
-{D1} [Visuals/Animation]
-{D2} [Opening/Ending Song]
-{D3} [Soundtrack]
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2012-01-01, 22:39
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絶対領域に嵌り過ぎた。
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Trendy Backwater
Age: 38
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-{A1}- [Action/Adventure]
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-{A4}- [Mystery/Horror]
-{A5}- [Comedy]
-{A6}- [Slice of Life]
-{A7}- [Drama/Tragedy]
-{A8}- [Romance]
-{A9}- [Fanservice/Ecchi/Moe]
-{A0}- [Sports/Game/Hobby]
-{B1}- [TV series]
-{C1}- [Storyline/Plot]
-{C2}- [Adaptation]
-{C3}- [Original Story]
-{C4}- [Female Main Character]
-{C5}- [Male Main Character]
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-{C8}- [Antagonist]
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2012-01-02, 13:19
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Join Date: May 2009
Location: (n.) A particular place or position.
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-{A2}- [Fantasy] Puella Magi Madoka Magica
-{A3}- [Science-Fiction] Steins;Gate -{A4}- [Mystery/Horror] UN-GO -{A5}- [Comedy] Working'!!, Denpa Onna to Seishun Otoko, Shinryaku!? Ika Musume -{A6}- [Slice of Life] Usagi Drop, Hanasaku Iroha -{A7}- [Drama/Tragedy] Ano hi mita hana no namae o bokutachi wa mada shiranai. -{A8}- [Romance] Hourou Musuko, Kimi ni Todoke 2nd season -{B1}- [TV series] Usagi Drop, Steins;Gate, Puella Magi Madoka Magica -{C1}- [Storyline/Plot] Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Steins;Gate -{C2}- [Adaptation] Usagi Drop, Steins;Gate, Working'!! -{C3}- [Original Story] Puella Magi Madoka Magica, Mawaru Penguindrum, UN-GO -{D1}- [Visuals/Animation] Mawaru Penguindrum, Hanasaku Iroha, Puella Magi Madoka Magica -{D2}- [Opening/Ending Song] Mawaru Penguindrum OP1, UN-GO ED1, Hourou Musuko ED1 Respectively: Etsuko Yakushimaru Metro Orchestra - "Nornir", LAMA - "Fantasy", Rie fu - "For You"-{D3}- [Soundtrack] Puella Magi Madoka Magica, UN-GO |
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2012-01-02, 14:23
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Che! Che! Che!
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Brazil
Age: 34
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-{A1}- [Action/Adventure]
--- Voting at work, leaving stuff aside just to let my contribution to this initiative! As always, I'd like to thank the people who spent an awful lot of time discussing so that these awards can be held each year! You guys rock. Cheers. 
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2012-01-02, 17:32
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Zero Knight
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: USA
Age: 31
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-{A1}- [Action/Adventure]
Fate/Zero Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica Tiger & Bunny -{A2}- [Fantasy] Fate/Zero Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica To Aru Majutsu no Index II -{A3}- [Science-Fiction] Steins;Gate Tiger & Bunny IS: Infinite Stratos -{A4}- [Mystery/Horror] Steins;Gate Gosick Kamisama no Memouchou -{A5}- [Comedy] Denpa Onna to Seishun Otoko Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai Kami Nomi zo Shiru Sekai II -{A6}- [Slice of Life] Denpa Onna to Seishun Otoko Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae wo Bokutachi wa Mada Shiranai -{A7}- [Drama/Tragedy] Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae wo Bokutachi wa Mada Shiranai Hanasaku Iroha Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica -{A8}- [Romance] Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae wo Bokutachi wa Mada Shiranai Hanasaku Iroha Steins;Gate -{A9}- [Fanservice/Ecchi/Moe] Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai Denpa Onna to Seishun Otoko IS: Infinite Stratos -{A0}- [Sports/Game/Hobby] Kami Nomi zo Shiru Sekai II -{B1}- [TV series] Fate/Zero Steins;Gate Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica -{B2}- [Movie/OVA/Shorts] Carnival Phantasm Fate/Prototype Ore no Imouto ga Konnani Wake ga Nai Specials -{C1}- [Storyline/Plot] Steins;Gate Fate/Zero Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica -{C2}- [Adaptation] Fate/Zero Steins;Gate Denpa Onna to Seishun Otoko -{C3}- [Original Story] Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica Ano Hi Mita Hana no Namae wo Bokutachi wa Mada Shiranai Tiger & Bunny -{C4}- [Female Main Character] Makise Kurisu / Steins;Gate Touwa Erio / Denpa Onna to Seishun Otoko Misaka Mikoto / To Aru Majutsu no Index II -{C5}- [Male Main Character] Okabe Rintarou / Steins;Gate Emiya Kiritsugu / Fate/Zero Kotomine Kirei / Fate/Zero -{C6}- [Female Supporting Character] Hasegawa Kobato / Boku wa Tomodachi ga Sukunai Charlotte Dunois / IS: Infinite Stratos Tohsaka Rin / Fate/Zero -{C7}- [Male Supporting Character] Rider / Fate/Zero Gilgamesh / Fate/Zero Berserker / Fate/Zero -{C8}- [Antagonist] Kyuubey / Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica Kotomine Kirei / Fate/Zero Gilgamesh / Fate/Zero -{D1}- [Visuals/Animation] Fate/Zero Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica Tiger & Bunny -{D2}- [Opening/Ending Song] C ED Fate/Zero OP Steins;Gate OP -{D3}- [Soundtrack] Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica Fate/Zero |
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2012-01-02, 19:06
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Join Date: Feb 2006
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-{A1}- [Action/Adventure] Madoka Magica, Steins;Gate, Kamisama Dolls
-{A2}- [Fantasy] Gosick, Madoka Magica, Natsume Yujincho -{A3}- [Science-Fiction] Steins;Gate, Infinite Stratos, Freezing -{A4}- [Mystery/Horror] Gosick, UN-GO -{A5}- [Comedy] Nichijou, Squid Girl 2, Working 2 -{A6}- [Slice of Life] Iroha, Usagi Drop, Natsume Yujincho -{A7}- [Drama/Tragedy] Gosick, Madoka Magica, Steins;Gate, -{A8}- [Romance] Gosick, AnoHana, Iroha -{A9}- [Fanservice/Ecchi/Moe] Freezing, Mayo Chiki, Usagi Drop -{A0}- [Sports/Game/Hobby] Rio: Rainbow Gate, Ore Imouto specials (they spent a good portion of the 4 episodes making a video game, does that count?) -{B1}- [TV series] Madoka Magica, Steins;Gate, Squid Girl 2 -{B2}- [Movie/OVA/Shorts] Carnival Phantasm Amagami SS OVA -{C1}- [Storyline/Plot] Madoka Magica, Steins;Gate, Gosick -{C2}- [Adaptation] Fate/Zero, Steins;Gate, Gosick -{C3}- [Original Story] Madoka Magica, Rio: Rainbow Gate, Fractale (I believe the manga is based off the anime or both were planned at same time despite manga coming out first) -{C4}- [Female Main Character] Ika Musume/Squid Girl 2, Kuroneko (Goku Ruri)/Ore Imouto, Victorique/Gosick -{C5}- [Male Main Character] Iskander (Rider)/Fate, Okarin (Rintarou Okabe)/Steins;Gate, Kiritsugu Emiya/Fate -{C6}- [Female Supporting Character] Charlotte/Infinite Stratos, Suzuha Amane/Steins;Gate, Kyouko Sakura/Madoka Magica -{C7}- [Male Supporting Character] Gilgamesh/Fate, Lancer/Fate, Ruka Urushibara/Steins;Gate -{C8}- [Antagonist] Kirei Kotomine/Fate, Moeka Kiryuu/Steins;Gate, QB/Madoka Magica -{D1}- [Visuals/Animation] Madoka Magica, Fate/Zero, Gosick -{D2}- [Opening/Ending Song] Carnival Phantasm OP1, Gosick ED2, Usagi Drop ED2 -{D3}- [Soundtrack] Madoka Magica, Kore wa Zombie Desu Ka, Gosick
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2012-01-02, 19:56
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Join Date: May 2004
Location: Neither Here nor There
Age: 39
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-{A1}- [Action/Adventure] Redline, Kyokai Senjou no Horizon, Tiger & Bunny
-{A2}- [Fantasy] Break Blade, Madoka Magica, Redline -{A3}- [Science-Fiction] Steins;Gate, Tiger & Bunny, Redline -{A4}- [Mystery/Horror] Madoka Magica, Kami-Sama no Memochou, Steins;Gate -{A5}- [Comedy] Kyokai Senjou no Horizon, Mawaru Penguindrum, Redline -{A6}- [Slice of Life] Colorful -{A7}- [Drama/Tragedy] Colorful, Ano Hana, Steins;Gate -{A8}- [Romance] Steins;Gate, Kyokai Senjou no Horizon -{A9}- [Fanservice/Ecchi/Moe]Kyokai Senjou no Horizon; Ro-Kyu-Bu -{A0}- [Sports/Game/Hobby] Redline, Yu-Gi-Oh 5D's -{B1}- [TV series] Tiger & Bunny, Steins;Gate, Fate/Zero -{B2}- [Movie/OVA/Shorts] Colorful, Redline, Armored Trooper Votoms: Alone Again -{C1}- [Storyline/Plot] Colorful, Tiger&Bunny, Steins;Gate -{C2}- [Adaptation] Kyokai Senjou no Horizon, Fate/Zero, Steins;Gate -{C4}- [Female Main Character] Makise Kurisu / Steins;Gate, Oginome Ringo / Mawaru Penguindrum, Kaname Madoka / Madoka Magica -{C5}- [Male Main Character] Kotetsu T. Kaburagi / Tiger & Bunny, Barnaby Brooks Jr. / Tiger & Bunny, JP / Redline -{C6}- [Female Supporting Character] Kaede Kaburagi / Tiger & Bunny Suzuha Amane / Steins;Gate -{C7}- [Male Supporting Character] Keith Goodman / Tiger & Bunny) Girghe / Break Blade -{C8}- [Antagonist] Jake Martinez / Tiger and Bunny, Machine Head / Redline, SERN / Steins;Gate -{D1}- [Visuals/Animation] Redline, Break Blade, Kyokai Senjou no Horizon -{D2}- [Opening/Ending Song] Tiger and Bunny OP #1 No. 6 OP #1 Armored Trooper Votoms: Alone Again OP #1 -{D3}- [Soundtrack] Ao no Exorcist Last edited by Kaioshin Sama; 2012-01-13 at 13:23. |
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