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View Poll Results: Mobile Suit Gundam: Iron-Blooded Orphans - Episode 03 Rating | |||
Perfect 10 | 13 | 19.70% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 29 | 43.94% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 16 | 24.24% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 7 | 10.61% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 0 | 0% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 1 | 1.52% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2015-10-18, 20:10 | Link #121 | |||
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2015-10-18, 20:18 | Link #122 |
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I just realized that when talking with the accountant, we can see now that Orga, Eugene, Biscuit and that other guy can all read. They aren't very educated and probably can't do more than basic math, but at least they're all literate. I can see them getting taken advantage of several times over if they were trying to take over the business and none of them knew how to read.
Now if one of them could just teach Mika? But then maybe he just doesn't care? Orga knows how to read, that's enough for him.
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2015-10-18, 20:21 | Link #123 |
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It bears repeating. The writing so far is to be applauded. Nothing really comes off as stupid. I like that we see people sleep, eat and talk with each other. Characters are able to read the mood and situation and react accordingly.
I like how the action is quick paced, focused and somewhat chaotic without being long-winded and drawn-out. I like how Kudelia changed her mind about the whole implant business after hearing about it and thinking more about it. I like that she's not stubborn. Her actions make sense. I'm kind of hesitant at the moment. I'm kind of expecting the writing to fall apart later like most Gundams do, but I'm enjoying this show immensely at this time. |
2015-10-18, 20:34 | Link #124 | |
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That said, I don't think Orgas did it for Kudelia sake. Under all that pragmatism he might be surprisingly idealistic. Which shows a lot on fact he let members of group one (and even with all they stuff) go as well as his plan continue make money by "honest business". It might be just for sake of doing right thing or he might just felt that he doesn't want tarnish their group fresh start by something like this. Well, I guess he is doesn't hate Kudelias guts, effort and determination to make a change, but if he decide follow her, it will not because some bias, but simply because he found her to be worthy of being followed.
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2015-10-18, 20:46 | Link #127 | |
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I think he knows she's the only one who could have given it to him. There is no one else who would have except maybe Cookie and Cracker, and they would have presented it to him themselves in excitement.
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2015-10-18, 21:44 | Link #128 | |
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Kudelia on the other hand is an idealist with a much grander dream. Even if the events of the first three episode have knocked her down to earth (or mars in this case heh) just a bit, her ideals and what she fights for is much greater than just day to day living. She's fighting for all the children of Mars. Her goals are currently aligned with Orga, but eventually she'll need to go her own way, and her method of doing things may or may not prove a problem to Orga. Thematically Orga and Kudelia are the most opposed, with Mika having a very limited scope in terms of the beliefs he fights for. It doesn't seem very likely from a narrative standpoint to have Orga and Kudelia become one 'side' while Orga becomes the other. Not to mention it'd have to be something really drastic for Mika to oppose Orga. I mean Orga pretty much ordered most of their comrades to their deaths in episodes 1-2 but everyone followed his orders and nobody blames him. Mika even pointed out that everyone is sacrificing themselves for Kudelia but he doesn't blame Kudelia at all in episode 3. The only way I see a schism forming between Orga and Mika is if Mika comes into his own set of ideals that's different from Orga's, and they decide to go down different paths. It'd have to be something a lot grander than 'protecting your friends', and the only other choice is Kudelia. |
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2015-10-18, 22:14 | Link #130 | |
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If you want to guess which character could 'change' Mika about bloodshed, assuming that's what you're arguing about, there's enough foreshadowing that's gonna be Atra. Mika hid her charm behind his back when he shot Crank, as if he didn't want for Atra to 'witness' what he's doing, even indirectly. It's the only time Mika seemed a little awkward. Atra is gone from the base at the time all the drama happens, while Kudelia is there, fully approving, of Mika's actions. While Atra is the one getting associated with peaceful life (with bonus of those crops and fields of symbolism). Interestingly enough, Atra, not Kudelia or Orga, seems to be the one who reads and sees through Mika's mask and moods. Both Orga and Kudelia are worshipful and admiring Mika's skills and actions. I frankly don't understand which "conflict" are you trying to push for Mika to "choose" (other than the alternative I proposed which could happen because Orga already had a small dispute with his men about Kudelia - Orga, not Mika). Because they are tightly aligned to each other. Orga even helped Kudelia to find her call again, encouraging her to follow through her actions.
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2015-10-18, 22:39 | Link #131 | |
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I like that lots of people here calling that Mika being used by Orga (me included) but Mika straight up rejected said speculation in show and stated that he was not victimized or anything and just doing all these to protect his comrades.
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2015-10-18, 22:50 | Link #132 | |
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Mika goes along with Orga because he trusts Orga, but also because he doesn't have any grand plans of his own. He seems content just continuing the space mercenary business with Orga. If there was going to be a split between though, it'd be an idealogical split where Mika does not see himself continuing down the path with Orga. Even if he's motivated by Atra, Kudelia is the only one that offers him a different path via her vision of a independent Mars. If Orga willingly follows Kudelia I really don't see any split at all. But given that we have 2 protagonists here, one with a strong will to lead and one that follows, if there's a split it'd come from Mika's growing independence and his own path that diverges from Orga's. |
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2015-10-18, 23:19 | Link #133 | |||
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This has nothing to do with Orga. The Crank thing was on him and only on him in the end. Orga meanwhile listens to her, communicates and encourages/supports her even before she hired him. He acted like her confidant and advisor. Orga protected Kudelia before the contract was established, twice. Did you conveniently forget this? You don't even know if he follows or likes her ideals or not, but so far he seems to respect her a lot when they talked and he gave her guidance (while Mika doesn't). Orga, not Mika, seems to be the one who would back up Kudelia. I'm not sure where you're getting this "they are thematically opposites" vibe from. Kudelia's not even a hugely important character to stand up next to Orga, she and Atra rank pretty low in the cast list (next to each other actually). Quote:
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Orga is taking a role of ship leader and captain in the opening, the protagonists roles do not overlap when they are obviously having different skillsets: Orga: leadership, strategic thinking. Mika: prodigy pilot. Let's include the heroines: Kudelia: political connections+money. She's not a leader in the battlefield, she's a political figure, so she doesn't "overlap" or "oppose" to Orga thematically at all, they are complimentary, IMO. Atra: Mika's "morality chain."
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2015-10-19, 00:02 | Link #135 |
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I like Mika's reaction to hide the bracelet while he kills which may mean he doesn't want Atra to see how he's 'tainted' and she being 'pure' deserves better or is afraid of her rejection if she witness what he does.
Or maybe I am thinking too hard about this and he just doesn't want it dirty. Also I don't think it has been mentioned yet but Kudelia is now an orphan herself. Her having just tosses her to the wolves having no where else to go or anyone to relay on. She just like the rest of the group now. Edit: one thing I've been reading a lot are the complaints of how could Mika and the kids kill line this in cold blood. I think many have forgotten that this PMC had trained these kids to be killers. Think about what that means for theor emotional and psychological development and it becomes clear why many of the older kids don't even flinch at the thought of killing.
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2015-10-19, 00:35 | Link #136 | |
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Kudelia and Orga, meanwhile, witness his violence without batting an eyelash.
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2015-10-19, 03:53 | Link #138 |
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I want to remind all the long-time Gundam Franchise fans in this thread... our normal Spoiler Rules apply in these threads, and that means that any reference to any other Gundam show -- even if aired who knows how long ago -- has to be behind a properly-labelled spoiler tag (that identifies the show you're comparing to). You can't just go talking about this and that plot point from other past shows in the clear. Failure to use spoiler tags for these sorts of comparisons is no different than any other spoiler policy violation, and can result in bans. A bunch of posts were removed.
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2015-10-19, 03:54 | Link #139 |
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"Thank-"BLAM BLAM BLAM! Damn Mika, let the guy finish lol.
I agree with this, although Mika did jump the gun a bit and said he'd do whatever Orga asked him to do in the previous episode before Orga'd even finished making the request. So far, everything Orga's wanted Mika to do weren't exactly hardly decisions. The guys that Mika offed were jerks and abandoned their friends. Crank was partly responsible for the deaths of his friends, though Crank was quite sympathetic. |
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