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For example. The little girl that was run over multiple times in China until an old lady came by and rescued her. There was a huge outrage over it. Not too long ago, in Sweden, a man fell onto a subway and was knocked out. A guy came by, saw him, jumped onto the tracks, grabbed his wallet, then ran way while waving to a nearby security guy (without notifying him). The guy survived but lost his legs and yet there was no outrage over it (local but nowhere near the Chinese one) Quote:
North Korea...well I can't argue about that one as it's even more unrealistic but the thing is that it's very much a communist country compared to China which isn't communist. Quote:
I was in a lecture with Lord Christopher Patten a few years back in Cambridge and someone from FREE TIBET bought this up to him. His reply was pretty straight forward, "while they still have a long way to go you cannot deny the fact that the people in China have a lot more rights than they did back in 89...critizing them is not going to make it get better" |
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2012-11-05, 13:55 | Link #22 | |
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It's that picture. That image. The visceral human element showing the "man" vs. the "state" that resonated with the world .. especially while the Western mindscape was captured by the idea of the Communist boogieman. Also, remember, I believe during this time ROC/Taiwan was recognized as the in-exile government of China .. Allies can do no wrong my friend. EDIT: All that said .. Tianamen aside, I'd implore anyone that defends the CCP to run numbers on the state of the "average" person that isn't living in the SEZ .. There's an interesting investment blog post (here) that discusses the "rise" of China and how it's international influence is due to a government "kleptocracy" that is basically diverting domestic consumption and welfare into global influence and expansion. He's an Australian hedge fund manager that employs "boots on the ground" that I highly respect and has made a name for himself recently on shorting companies and revealing frauds. Last edited by willx; 2012-11-05 at 14:02. Reason: Edit for link and other edits |
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2012-11-05, 13:55 | Link #23 | |
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1. It was in the middle of the civil war. Incidents like that tend to be overlooked in the big picture. 2. No mass media like what happened with Tiananmen. As for PLA being brutal: It's actually easier to crush those that might overturn the state rather than being savage to people you are just occupying without the accompanying education dehumanizing the occupied. |
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2012-11-05, 17:58 | Link #30 |
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Also cuz China is like 1/5 of the world while Taiwan has only several dozen millions? Which one would you mention if you were writing a textbook and only had a page to cover all the events in East Asia between 1945 and 2000?
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2012-11-05, 18:02 | Link #31 | |
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All told, millions were tortured to death and killed outright, mostly on Mainland China. However, further tens of thousands were also later killed on Taiwan, after the ROC moved there. In reality, the White Terror is one of the most significant events in Modern Chinese history.
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2012-11-05, 18:12 | Link #32 |
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Please cease all discussions concerning China, it's role in the world, and its economic or military might. The current discussion has nothing to do with the Red Dawn remake, so please stop.
Agreed. There would have been a solid nostalgia value to the film if the USSR was the enemy (especially for us old fogies that actually saw the original film in theatres ). |
2012-11-05, 20:54 | Link #33 | |
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2012-11-05, 21:28 | Link #34 | |
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Again, this is about fiction. If some people from some country are not happy about the content of a movie or a video game, they can just boycott it. |
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2012-11-05, 22:18 | Link #35 | |
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But problem is most films violently anti-russian are usually made in the cold war era (Where they wouldn't be seen by a USSR audience), and the new regime (I.E Putins) has not yet practice open censorship like China does. Not to mention not all Russians feel that connected with old USSR at any rate. However, most chinese mainlanders still do feel connected to their government even if they hate it. And with MGM wanting to make inroad into the chinese market (which absolutely love American films), it has to make sure not to offend their hosts. MGM, Sony, and Disney all suffered embargos for year for making anti-chinese films, and then found their licenses yanked....I guess MGM (which is heavily bankrupt), now no longer can afford to openly annoy a growing market. Also, as a chinese living in America, I actually have to worry about racial violence that may be provoked by a film like this....so should the Koreans and Japanese... Also, one of the worst example of censorship backfiring would be EA's command and conquer generals...they made China the final "hero" and the new protector of Europe while Americas got wiped by the GLA. Hoping to tapping into the chinese market, but it got banned in China anyway with the depiction of chinese forces bombing Hong Kong and San-Ya Dam to heavy ham kill terrorism. |
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2012-11-05, 23:04 | Link #37 | |
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Edit: the episode ended with the Queen putting a gun to her head and blowing her brains out. Classic South Park. Last edited by james0246; 2012-11-05 at 23:29. |
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