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[greensoulreaper]

Originally Posted by Key Board

without Bizon this show wouldn't be anywhere nearly as amusing as it is

I thought it was a pretty good watch, even back when Bizon was calm. I would've enjoyed the show even if he didn't go nuts, but his role in the story definitely made things more entertaining. The whole time from episode 1 to 13, one of the biggest things you look forward to is this guy's mental break down.

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

(On a side note I hate it when I've got a good thing typed up and the browser screws up erasing all that work :P).

Does seem likely that Emperor Bizon is the same guy from the first episode. If Bizon can seemingly survive his mech getting shot apart in a time tunnel he can probably survive that weird self-destruct. Not that it makes the biggest of differences since Bizon's life probably hasn't varied much between loops. Getting his unit shot apart vs a self destruct is easily implausible to survive outside of being in a time tunnel where everything gets weird.

This episode was probably more hilarious than most thanks to Bizon. He really is a lot of fun to watch freaking out about everything. Wonder how much pure rage we can get from this guy as the Emperor next season .
His obsessiveness is rather impressive. Some people might have been unsettled about getting dropped in the past. Some people might have just been satisfied becoming immensely wealthy. But not Bizon. No, he needs to create his own Empire, kill thousands (or however many people have died here), just so he can get revenge on Aoba for 'taking' Hina. That is impressively warped.

Maybe. But the one in the first ep. looked like it exploded while Bizon was still inside, it looks like that one died for sure. The one in 13 didn't get toasted with his mech as we see him flying towards the screen and then back into the time tunnel. Wheelchair Bizon must be him. I guess we'll find out some time next season though, when Bizon does a internal monologue or something. They are still doing a good job at keeping us guessing, even after holding off hints about a seconds season until after the credits. We don't even know Bizon's significance, only that he's some bigshot in the Zogilian military now. Everyone seems to call him emperor but we never got any confirmation of that yet. Still, this guy is serious business. "Have a taste of my wrath, Watase Aoba." I had to ask myself, did he really just say that? because it was kind of funny to me for some reason. He sounds so much like a cliche super villain.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by greensoulreaper

I thought it was a pretty good watch, even back when Bizon was calm. I would've enjoyed the show even if he didn't go nuts, but his role in the story definitely made things more entertaining. The whole time from episode 1 to 13, one of the biggest things you look forward to is this guy's mental break down.

Maybe. But the one in the first ep. looked like it exploded while Bizon was still inside, it looks like that one died for sure. The one in 13 didn't get toasted with his mech as we see him flying towards the screen and then back into the time tunnel. Wheelchair Bizon must be him. I guess we'll find out some time next season though, when Bizon does a internal monologue or something.

Honestly I wouldn't be surprised either way whichever Bizon this is. I just can't count out anything when it happens in that time tunnel. I mean, is there a much better chance of surviving your mech getting shot to pieces in comparison to a self-destruct? The only reason I'd give ep 13 Bizon better odds is that ep 1 Bizon was injured from Hina shooting up his mech before they even went into that time tunnel. Either way I'm sure Bizon will have a "Watase Aoba!!!!" filled monologue explaining how he got here at some point .

[ginger02]

I want to see more of Bizon when we was sane. Gotta go rewatch the series I guess.

It's still just too funny how he most likely built an empire and definitely held a 70 year-old grudge against Aoba, fueled by his hate for him, when Aoba didn't really do anything to him lol. I mean if Aoba killed Bizon's family or punched him in the face or ate his food, I could understand.

[mikethepokemaster]

This is kind of off topic but whenever funimation dubs this anime who would you like to voice who, that is if you watch dub.

[cyberdemon]

Originally Posted by Haruyasha

I dunno about that. Given how poor the Blue Cosmos was, they still managed to manufacture two waves of nukes, followed by copying the Coordinator nuke cannon. I wouldn't put it past Zogilia to make another cannon, especially after obtaining the time fracture data.

Blue Cosmos wasn't poor, they had the backing of Logos.

Originally Posted by Nandesuto

I might have missed this, but if anyone got it, perhaps you could clarify: where does Hina come from originally? As I understand it, this is the chronology of events:

Time X (Aoba's original time): Hina follows Bizon through the time tunnel in Time Z to this time where Aoba meets her for the first time. Entering the time tunnel, Aoba is sent to Time Z and Hina is sent to Time Y.
Time Y (young Hina): Hina is found by her Dad, having somehow reverted in age and losing her memories. She ages normally into Time Z.
Time Z (pre-Time X Hina): The Hina we see for most of the show until the time tunnel is created and she's sent to the past, Time X.

Was she originally just a normal war orphan the first time around and the time tunnel simply intersected with that event or what? If not, where on Earth does she come from?

Here's how I could possibly see the loops having played out and there are at least 4 timelines and 3 loops:

Loop 0/ timeline 1: Aoba doesn't meet Hina and isn't attacked by Bizon in his own time. Gets accidentally pulled into the time hole with no help. This Hina may not be a Zogilian soldier since her memories were never erased by combining with herself from one of the other timelines. She would've had a more normal childhood since she wasn't raised by her foster father like the other loops and went by her original name Yumihara. so they don't fight each other but she might get caught up in the war (kind of like Yurin from Gundam Age but Hina doesn't die). The time hole somehow opens up and Hina is pulled through (but not necessarily with Bizon).

Loop 1/ timeline 2: Because there is no Bizon, Hina isn't necessarily protecting Aoba but she stays close to him anyways while realizing this was his past self that he had told her about before. She could just possibly be hoping for another time hole to open so that she could go back to her own time and when one does she somehow ends up bringing Aoba with her. They get separated in the time hole like usual. Hina gets combined with her younger self and loses all memories and is adopted by her foster father and gain the last name Ryazan (though this Aoba knows her original name Yumihara and mentions it to her). Aoba goes further forward fights alongside Dio again. Raised by her foster father she becomes a Zogilian soldier and ends up fighting Aoba. They get close again (with Bizon being the jealous and hating on Aoba for it) but when the time hole opens up accidentally gets pulled in with Bizon while Dio blocking Aoba from getting to her.

Loop 2/ timeline 3: Hina arrives in the past and chooses to go by the name Yumihara like Aoba had mentioned to her before. She watches over Aoba until the timehole is supposed to appear but Bizon ends up turning up and attacking past Aoba to her surprise since it wasn't mentioned to her by the Aoba she knew before. They flee into the time hole and are seperated once again. This time with knowledge that Bizon is going to turn up in the past thanks to Aoba mentioning it, Hina intentionally flies through the time hole intending to stop him while Dio still blocks Aoba from trying to stop her.

Loop 3/ timeline 4: This is the loop we see in the anime. This time with knowledge of several loops having occured, Dio helps Aoba stop Hina from going into the past and they also prevent Bizon from going by destroying his mech. This causes an end to the loops and resets the next one back to loop 0 to start again from the beginning since there is no one for past Aoba to meet in his own time but still will have the timehole open up since they still opened it up from future.

[greensoulreaper]

Originally Posted by ginger02

I want to see more of Bizon when we was sane. Gotta go rewatch the series I guess.

It's still just too funny how he most likely built an empire and definitely held a 70 year-old grudge against Aoba, fueled by his hate for him, when Aoba didn't really do anything to him lol. I mean if Aoba killed Bizon's family or punched him in the face or ate his food, I could understand.

Yeah it's interesting to see his change. The show has been really good about details. I remember in one of the early episodes Bizon told Tarijim or Lasha to avoid harming the civilians when they were carrying out an assault on one of the Alliance bases. A big contrast from the Bizon that went on a rampage in Aoba's town. I wonder if it's just a facade but I think what really happened is that he let his desires get the better of him in the end. Alfried even interjects that this is probably what happens to people who are too invested in nectorbium's power - implying that they just lose themselves. If you look at the bigger picture of what he was saying it wasn't about the power of the coupling mech or that magical rock. It was more about giving in to your desires and letting that take a hold of you in place of reasoning and acting logically. Greed becomes your moral and everything else does not matter. You could say the same for Zogilia as a whole and their objective in the war. Building massive weapons that could level mountains, destroying and conquering nations for a natural resource....

Hina was Bizon's "nectorbium", and Aoba took it all.

[Nvis]

Originally Posted by greensoulreaper

Maybe. But the one in the first ep. looked like it exploded while Bizon was still inside, it looks like that one died for sure. The one in 13 didn't get toasted with his mech as we see him flying towards the screen and then back into the time tunnel. Wheelchair Bizon must be him. I guess we'll find out some time next season though, when Bizon does a internal monologue or something. They are still doing a good job at keeping us guessing, even after holding off hints about a seconds season until after the credits. We don't even know Bizon's significance, only that he's some bigshot in the Zogilian military now. Everyone seems to call him emperor but we never got any confirmation of that yet. Still, this guy is serious business. "Have a taste of my wrath, Watase Aoba." I had to ask myself, did he really just say that? because it was kind of funny to me for some reason. He sounds so much like a cliche super villain.

First ep Bizon's dead. He got impaled by metal and self-destruct.

You guys type essays that I'm too lazy to read. My paragraphs last page were short and simple.

[thundrakkon]

Originally Posted by Nvis

First ep Bizon's dead. He got impaled by metal and self-destruct.

Not necessarily true.

The injury sustained could be why he is in a wheelchair in the future. His future self needs a breathing device. His injuries were on his chests in the first episode (lungs). His Valiancer starts to disintegrate before the explosion, which was disintegrating his cockpit as well, indicating that it was possibly time warping already. Hence, he could have teleported before the explosion. In addition, since he warped before Hina and Aoba, it is logical that he arrived in the future way before the couple did. Because he arrived at a much earlier point, he was not born yet, so there was no merging involved.

So yeah, first episode Bizon could be the current old Bizon. Furthermore, it fits in with infinite loop theory. If he has always become old Bizon in past time tunnel, then the loop works and why we see him in the latest episode.

There is a possibility that the Bizon who had his Valiancer blown up by Dio and Aoba going back and merging with episode 1 Bizon after time leap when his Valiancer exploded, but that will create more confusion as to how that happened.

Edit:

P.S. After watching the last episode again, I realized that for the infinite loop event, after Hina enters the time portal and Aoba gets left behind in the future, a forced decoupling must have occurred, which could have caused Aoba to have permanent brain damage. It will be funny if Hina goes to the past to save Aoba, but leaves future Aoba as a vegetable.

[dniv]

Originally Posted by Nvis

First ep Bizon's dead. He got impaled by metal and self-destruct.

You guys type essays that I'm too lazy to read. My paragraphs last page were short and simple.

I say he just disappeared because of the time portal and never actually died in the self-destruct because the others survived as well. I say he just got deposited in an earlier time and was warped out of the mecha just like Aoba was. That's not really that unplausible. There's a short answer for you.

[jordantenney56]

His hatred for Aoba and the dynamic is going to be really interesting he has intent of making aobas life a living.hell. Aoba hates his friends protecting him especially hina. Aoba has done nothing wrong to him watching bizon completely losing it in season 1 makes this season great especially.episode 13 bizon headbanging saying connect with hina was hilarious.

[venshade]

is there already an announcement regarding the airing date?? and bizon being ntr victim in some forums and some flame wars going on it is really fun read those arguments

[Edon613]

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

Not necessarily true.

The injury sustained could be why he is in a wheelchair in the future. His future self needs a breathing device. His injuries were on his chests in the first episode (lungs). His Valiancer starts to disintegrate before the explosion, which was disintegrating his cockpit as well, indicating that it was possibly time warping already. Hence, he could have teleported before the explosion. In addition, since he warped before Hina and Aoba, it is logical that he arrived in the future way before the couple did. Because he arrived at a much earlier point, he was not born yet, so there was no merging involved.

So yeah, first episode Bizon could be the current old Bizon. Furthermore, it fits in with infinite loop theory. If he has always become old Bizon in past time tunnel, then the loop works and why we see him in the latest episode.

There is a possibility that the Bizon who had his Valiancer blown up by Dio and Aoba going back and merging with episode 1 Bizon after time leap when his Valiancer exploded, but that will create more confusion as to how that happened.

Edit:

P.S. After watching the last episode again, I realized that for the infinite loop event, after Hina enters the time portal and Aoba gets left behind in the future, a forced decoupling must have occurred, which could have caused Aoba to have permanent brain damage. It will be funny if Hina goes to the past to save Aoba, but leaves future Aoba as a vegetable.

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If ep.1 Bizon could survive being crushed and his mech exploding, he'd be a pretty OP character.

Sarcasm aside, ep.1 Bizon is dead.

[Sacredus]

I see you din't watched Code Geass, huh? xD

[Flames]

I find it kinda funny on how Dio caused Aoba countless despairs throughout the many timelines they been through for not allowing him to save Hina. I mean their relationship probably went down the drain after Dio stopped him. Since Aoba seems to realize when Hina about to jumped into the portal to protect his past self that will put her through another loop suffering once again. We know how Aoba is about feeling guilt for others who seem to get harm for his sake. Living with that sort of knowledge for the rest of your life would not be a good thing for Aoba.

[bastek66]

That was hard Sunday for Takahiro Sakurai's characters

They both deserve it, tough.

[jordantenney56]

I wonder why he feels like the need to feel guilty about other people taking risks for him while he does the same thing. He lied to hina and dio about being able to go back to the past and he did it for hinas sake so she wont feel bad for him. He also knows dio cant protect his family. I think aoba accepts he cant go back but he has people that do care about him though.

[Birdway]

*Expecting Hina's death for the next season.*

Sunrise, onoreeeeee!!!!

[Gundamx]

if you think about it why didn't Bizon done same think as ep1 and just attack Aoba from start?
(he must really have big patience if he can wait that much for revenge )
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he can just assassinate him if he just create country for revenge
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Zogilian exist before Bizon time travel as we see from episode one news

[Obelisk ze Tormentor]

I've just finished watching this latest episode (yeah I know, late to the party), and guess what, my speculation long ago is almost spot on.

Originally Posted by Obelisk ze Tormentor

Like I said, you’ll never know what will happen in future episodes. Who knows, maybe Aoba will somehow managed to kill Bizon before he goes back in time, thus Hina doesn’t have to be sent to the past and finally break the infinite loop like Terminator 2’s ending.

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Originally Posted by FlareKnight

His obsessiveness is rather impressive. Some people might have been unsettled about getting dropped in the past. Some people might have just been satisfied becoming immensely wealthy. But not Bizon. No, he needs to create his own Empire, kill thousands (or however many people have died here), just so he can get revenge on Aoba for 'taking' Hina. That is impressively warped.

Goin’ nuts after his young love was stolen from him and then become a psycho with great power willing to kill thousands just to have his revenge.....Bizon must have read too much Naruto and inspired by this guy:

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Or maybe it's the writer(s) of this show who’s been reading too much Naruto .

Originally Posted by jordantenney56

Btw the fact people on /A calling hina a slut and defending bizon is pretty sad lmao.

People actually defending Bizon? After what he did?

[Birdway]

@ Obelisk ze Tormentor

On the future Naruto still is airing thanks to its fillers.