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Originally Posted by Gundam8

I think the the free pact alliance is going to launch a counter offensive soon in the second season.

A. Only 5 percent of there pacific fleet got destroyed because Hawaii base did not launch all of it fleet only half of it the alliance has got alliance five areal fleets in the pacific ill name them California ,Hawaii, Australia,japan and Mexico/panama.which just recently joined

B. zoligia has use up two years worth nectorberium mining unlike alliance which use a healthy diverse energy supply zoligia due to greed I think use else unhealthy amounts of nectorberium and do not know artificially produce unlike alliance who does and closely guards it and also mines it for civilian supply I would not be surprised if alliance reverse engineers the canon and it and improves on it makes fusion version of it if it does zoligia will have a death blow the alliance will sense this weakness and attack because of it .

C. The alliance has been slowly winning in mainland Europe and Oceania moving battle lines to the border of Russia or the former USSR and indochina losing two years worth losing there equipment will be more painful because there equipment is more expensive and and nectorberium will be scarce for them theme and plus they failed to reverse engineer the coupling process.

D. Don't be surprise if alliance military does launch the alliance launch this offensive without government approval and don,t be surprise if Russian and Scandinavian resistance groups more bold and get alliance backing to make getting nectorberium more painful

if that would happen I'm sure the zogilians won't just lose that easily I bet there is another gorgon cannon/garaphushka? and also we might see some coupling mechas in zogilia's side since Dr. Hahn just gain enough infos about the coupling system

[Gundam8]

But right know the alliance has the advantage and I think the alliance has opening to win the alliance zoligia wars that is what I am saying but beacuse resource it depletes I do not think they have another cannon haun lost the data with the fall of Alaska I think alliance makes a speedy war ration slash blitzkrieg attack frontline bases they win hands down sense bozin is in charge it unpredictable how much casualties they take sense he is insane.

[Shinji103]

Originally Posted by RioFoxx

I don't think that's why they won't get paired up. I think the reason why is because they'd make the show too broken. We don't even know how strong of a pairing they really are, remember.

Did you quote the wrong part of my post? It just doesn't feel like your response and that part of my post connect.

[Avrorrange]

Originally Posted by Gundam8

I think the the free pact alliance is going to launch a counter offensive soon in the second season.

A. Only 5 percent of there pacific fleet got destroyed because Hawaii base did not launch all of it fleet only half of it the alliance has got alliance five areal fleets in the pacific ill name them California ,Hawaii, Australia,japan and Mexico/panama.which just recently joined

B. zoligia has use up two years worth nectorberium mining unlike alliance which use a healthy diverse energy supply zoligia due to greed I think use else unhealthy amounts of nectorberium and do not know artificially produce unlike alliance who does and closely guards it and also mines it for civilian supply I would not be surprised if alliance reverse engineers the canon and it and improves on it makes fusion version of it if it does zoligia will have a death blow the alliance will sense this weakness and attack because of it .

C. The alliance has been slowly winning in mainland Europe and Oceania moving battle lines to the border of Russia or the former USSR and indochina losing two years worth losing there equipment will be more painful because there equipment is more expensive and and nectorberium will be scarce for them theme and plus they failed to reverse engineer the coupling process.

D. Don't be surprise if alliance military does launch the alliance launch this offensive without government approval and don,t be surprise if Russian and Scandinavian resistance groups more bold and get alliance backing to make getting nectorberium more painful

I think Zogilia actually lost more than two years' worth of nectorberium. The amount of nectorberium stored in the base probably exceed the amount required for two shots.

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[Gundam8]

I think you might be right on the nectorberium I still think there launch a big crushing counter offensive against zoligia brace your selfs it think military are going use aboa dio and hina distractions because bozin is so insane on him and I Know alliance military knows it which why they do not mention him by bozin realizes what is going it will be to late zoligia would already had fallen to alliance and this would give the alliance control of the world.

[RioFoxx]

Originally Posted by Shinji103

Did you quote the wrong part of my post? It just doesn't feel like your response and that part of my post connect.

That I did, thanks for pointing that out. lol.

Off-Topic for a second: Ready for Date-A-Live (read: Kurumi the animated series) season 2?

What I meant with my quote & response was:

Originally Posted by Shinji103

To all the people here who are talking about who will be Aoba's coupling partner, I'd say you better prepare for disappointment because this is a Sunrise show, and if anythying they've shown they're a big fan of Double Testosterone lately.

I don't think that's why they won't get paired up. I think the reason why is because they'd make the show too broken. We don't even know how strong of a pairing they really are, remember?

In pure compatibility, they spank the living daylights out of Dio and Aoba, and if the show was that broken, and Dio/Aoba were breaking theoretical limits, Zogilia would have to come up with something absolutely crazy to even be a threat, assuming their teamwork isn't absolutely abysmal (which it might be.)

But likely, Hina's not going to fight for a while. Either because of the Alliance's terms, or her own.

[username31]

Now after Aoba stole Hina from Bizon, it will be Aoba responsibility to make her happy forever for the rest of her life and to prove Hina made the right decision to trust him and prove Aoba really is a better guy for her than Bizon...I have to admit all Bizon crazy action out of jealousy, if Aoba never appear he maybe still decent sweet guy for Hina...

[jordantenney56]

Lol he does owe her that happiness now thats he stopped her from going back to the past and btw bizon would of made a girl like hina miserable because he was overbearing and to overprotective and he was obsessed with her and hes gets to jealous. Aoba on the other hand is very trustworthy and very carefree in what she does and he wants her to make her own choices.bizon on the other hand is the do as i say yeahhh....... i understand why hina chose aoba over and bizon taking advantage of her by kissing her after her father dying and ignoring her pleas to stop the coupling process and even though he noticed her personality change he didnt care to notice anything yeahh my asshole of the year goes to bizon.

[Vindi89]

Originally Posted by Galaxian

She does have an origin point. The reason why she reverts back to a child is because there was already a child version of her to begin with, meaning she was born about 58 years after Aoba gets sent to the future.

Obviously there's an origin point. However, you're making a mistake in not considering the other possibilities. One being that the Hina we see at 6 years old isn't the Hina of the original time before the time loop began, but a Hina that had already aged and had her age reversed as a result of the time loop.

Your assumption is that if someone exists in a time period they're put into their body as it exists in that period/ revert to the age they were in that time period. If that's the case, then if you were to travel backwards or forwards before/after your own time period, you should therefore vanish with no physical body in that world to return to.

However with Bizon's case we already see that 1 person from different time periods can exist in the same time period. Also consider the fact that changes in the timeline seem to have no effect on the memories of the time travelers and those around them. There was no Bizon shooting at Aoba in a mech anymore in the past or a Hina to go back in the past and send Aoba to the future, yet here he is.

In the end we can't say for sure that the Hina at the beginning of the time loop is the Original Hina or a Hina reversed in age as a result of the time loop. (I'm leaning towards the latter given its more consistent with the story.)

Edit: Actually now that I think about it more, the Hina that got adopted was wearing the same clothes as the Hina who saved Aoba. Meaning she's definitely a different Hina than the original Hina before the time loop began.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by Vindi89

Obviously there's an origin point. However, you're making a mistake in not considering the other possibilities. One being that the Hina we see at 6 years old isn't the Hina of the original time before the time loop began, but a Hina that had already aged and had her age reversed as a result of the time loop.

Your assumption is that if someone exists in a time period they're put into their body as it exists in that period/ revert to the age they were in that time period. If that's the case, then if you were to travel backwards or forwards before/after your own time period, you should therefore vanish with no physical body in that world to return to.

However with Bizon's case we already see that 1 person from different time periods can exist in the same time period. Also consider the fact that changes in the timeline seem to have no effect on the memories of the time travelers and those around them. There was no Bizon shooting at Aoba in a mech anymore in the past or a Hina to go back in the past and send Aoba to the future, yet here he is.

In the end we can't say for sure that the Hina at the beginning of the time loop is the Original Hina or a Hina reversed in age as a result of the time loop. (I'm leaning towards the latter given its more consistent with the story.)

Edit: Actually now that I think about it more, the Hina that got adopted was wearing the same clothes as the Hina who saved Aoba. Meaning she's definitely a different Hina than the original Hina before the time loop began.

I think the counters to that theory can still hold up fine though. If you presume that a person only changes their age if they have a person to "lock in" on then it's fine. No one else changes age because there's no Aoba 70 years in the future.

It's not to say that two of the same person can't exist in the time period, just that they can't exist when the person is time traveling. Bizon's a geezer when we see him in this episode so it's safe to assume he got there well before he was ever conceived, heck maybe before his parents even were.

Hina is an unique case for some reason. If we presume it's because of the "locking in" theory then most of the time travel in the series fits in nicely. Bizon and Aoba don't change because there's no one to lock onto when they arrived. Hina didn't change when she went to Aoba's time because there was no other Hina to lock onto. Memories stayed the same because there wasn't that merging taking place.

Then of course you take into consideration the same outfit and the theory seems to solidify pretty well. It's possible there's another explanation, but at this point that's the theory that makes the most sense to me based on what we've gotten. Personally I still have no clue how clothing get changed because of the locking in effect, but I'll take it as a style choice so it's clear to the viewers that these are the same Hina.

[Vindi89]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

It's possible there's another explanation, but at this point that's the theory that makes the most sense to me based on what we've gotten. Personally I still have no clue how clothing get changed because of the locking in effect, but I'll take it as a style choice so it's clear to the viewers that these are the same Hina.

With time travel no one can be sure they've got it absolutely right because every show seem to put their own spin on it. That said, ignoring the clothing when she reappears as a child leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Its a key piece of evidence imo. The author/ animators took time to specifically draw those clothing on her to indicate she's the Hina that was just with Aoba in a time tunnel and reversed in age.

My counter however is that there are 2 different Hina. Original Hina and Time Traveler Hina. I stated this before, but didn't expand on it but, its highly likely that the events that lead to the timeloop in the first place were completely different than the events that occurred inside the time loop. Look for example, how Hina and Aoba maintained their memories and their position in time despite breaking the causality chain that lead them to that point. Apparently actions from a different set of causality events carry over to a new timeline.

Now keeping that in mind, I think there was an Original Hina out there that lived her life and somehow got caught into this loop. Its entirely possible that in the 'original' time line before the loop got started that the Original Hina got caught up in the loop at that early age. This could explain why she always reverts back to that age when she completes a cycle of the loop. However I dont' think she reverts back to her own body of that time period. I think this is a different entity than the original and very possible that 2 of them may have existed at the same time (as Bizon/ Geezer Bizon did).

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by Vindi89

With time travel no one can be sure they've got it absolutely right because every show seem to put their own spin on it. That said, ignoring the clothing when she reappears as a child leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Its a key piece of evidence imo. The author/ animators took time to specifically draw those clothing on her to indicate she's the Hina that was just with Aoba in a time tunnel and reversed in age.

My counter however is that there are 2 different Hina. Original Hina and Time Traveler Hina. I stated this before, but didn't expand on it but, its highly likely that the events that lead to the timeloop in the first place were completely different than the events that occurred inside the time loop. Look for example, how Hina and Aoba maintained their memories and their position in time despite breaking the causality chain that lead them to that point. Apparently actions from a different set of causality events carry over to a new timeline.

Now keeping that in mind, I think there was an Original Hina out there that lived her life and somehow got caught into this loop. Its entirely possible that in the 'original' time line before the loop got started that the Original Hina got caught up in the loop at that early age. This could explain why she always reverts back to that age when she completes a cycle of the loop. However I dont' think she reverts back to her own body of that time period. I think this is a different entity than the original and very possible that 2 of them may have existed at the same time (as Bizon/ Geezer Bizon did).

Don't think I said I was ignoring the clothing, just that as things stand I'm not a time traveling expert and know why clothing would change size to fit the younger Hina.

I think the fact there is a time loop makes it a given events leading to the loop were different. After all until that time tunnel is created Aoba has no way to get into the future to cause the numerous activities that resulted. Which certainly can lead to the idea that he was directly connected to the development of the Coupling System as evidenced by his brainwave being the literal standard.

I still don't agree on the premise of Hina reverting back to an earlier age because that's when she got caught in the loop. Now it's entirely possible, since we know next to nothing about the original loop. At the same time equally if not more plausible that my original theory still stands. Somehow Hina gets involved in this time tunnel business, meets with Aoba and for whatever reason takes him into the future. She comes out earlier because she exists at that point, merges, loses her memories due to that and meets up with Aoba in somewhat similar circumstances to the series just with differences due to Aoba having a different experience going into the loop. Eventually it all evens out as we see it.

There's only so much we can know for sure. Certainly a given that people can enter at the same point in that tunnel and come out at different points. We know nothing happens if they come out at a time in which they don't already exist because Bizon and Hina aren't dead when they come out in the past nor Aoba when he goes into the future.

[greensoulreaper]

Originally Posted by Vindi89

With time travel no one can be sure they've got it absolutely right because every show seem to put their own spin on it. That said, ignoring the clothing when she reappears as a child leaves a bad taste in my mouth. Its a key piece of evidence imo. The author/ animators took time to specifically draw those clothing on her to indicate she's the Hina that was just with Aoba in a time tunnel and reversed in age.

My counter however is that there are 2 different Hina. Original Hina and Time Traveler Hina. I stated this before, but didn't expand on it but, its highly likely that the events that lead to the timeloop in the first place were completely different than the events that occurred inside the time loop. Look for example, how Hina and Aoba maintained their memories and their position in time despite breaking the causality chain that lead them to that point. Apparently actions from a different set of causality events carry over to a new timeline.

Now keeping that in mind, I think there was an Original Hina out there that lived her life and somehow got caught into this loop. Its entirely possible that in the 'original' time line before the loop got started that the Original Hina got caught up in the loop at that early age. This could explain why she always reverts back to that age when she completes a cycle of the loop. However I dont' think she reverts back to her own body of that time period. I think this is a different entity than the original and very possible that 2 of them may have existed at the same time (as Bizon/ Geezer Bizon did).

Thing is, prior to Aoba breaking the loop, there is no way wheelchair Bizon could have existed, assuming it's the same one from ep. 13. It's because of those very events of breaking the loop that lead us to getting this Darth Bizon guy. So I doubt that he has been in the shadows all this time. That's why I don't agree with the theory that during this whole season, while young Bizon was flying around, wheelchair Bizon was hiding somewhere within Zogilia.

I believe whatever this Bizon has done to change the past creates an entirely different future than the one we've seen throughout season 1, and it's possible season 2 will show us an "alternate world" where Hina never goes back in time to protect Aoba. This would mean the new season doesn't pick up where it left off at ep. 13 and instead starts a new story, but this time in a world where Bizon is law.... and then our main cast somehow learns that this isn't how things are supposed to be, and work to fix it. Sounds crazy but Sunrise will surprise me if they do this. Thing is, in this "alternate" timeline where Aoba never goes to the future, how the heck is he going to meet up with Cygnus and Hina? Unless this is something related to fate and regardless of whether Hina goes back into the past to bring Aoba to the future, it somehow happens anyways, without Hina's intervention...

Can't wait to see the teasers/PV for next season. That will give us a lot to speculate on, and more of a lead then we have now.

[Vindi89]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

Don't think I said I was ignoring the clothing, just that as things stand I'm not a time traveling expert and know why clothing would change size to fit the younger Hina.

The clothing didn't change to fit her, they were the same size. Rewatch the scene. Its in rags, but if you look at the shoulders you can clearly see shes wearing an oversized uniform at that point.

You can't make a theory that ignores key evidence. Try including the evidence into your theory and see where it leads you. I'm not saying I'm right, I'm just saying that fact that you're willing to overlook this makes your current theory less plausible.

Also the way you describe the events seem to give the time singularity a will of some sort. As it needs to know that you existed at some point or not and also make arrangements for your clothing. I just find it less plausible. That theory makes the rules fit the scenario, rather than the scenario fitting the rules. My theory adheres to only one rule, there can be multiples of the same person in a single time period. That rule seems to fit more consistently. I'm not going to argue when or where Hina entered the time loop, just speculating there, however I am standing firm on my theory of multiples of the same person in a time period.

@greensoulreaper

I agree with you on the fact that this is an entirely different future. As I myself stated, the causality chain changed, yet Hina and Aoba maintained their memories and place in time. That however doesn't change the fact that in this new future, the causality leading to an older Bizon resulted in there being 2 Bizon in the same time period (of this new future).

To simplify, I dont' think during the series (as we saw it) that there was 2 Bizons. However at the end of this loop a new 'history' was made with 2 Bizons.

[thundrakkon]

I'm with FlareKnight on this. Essentially, what we've seen is if 2 objects or people that are the same exists when a person goes out of the time tunnel, he/she/it merges with the existing one at that particular time.

So what merges:

1) Episode 1 Hina merges with her 6 year old self 60 years in the future from Aoba time.
2) Hina's Valiancer (the former Luxon) from Episode 1 merges with the Luxon 70 years in the future with Aoba in it.

So what does not merge:
1) Hina when she travels to Aoba's time (she did not exist yet)
2) Hina's clothing when she travels 60 years into the future (Her school uniform did not exist anymore)
3) Aoba and his clothes when he traveled 70 years into the future (he does not exist anymore, either because he is old and dead or because he time traveled and never returned)
4) Bizon when he traveled to Aoba's time (He did not exist yet)
5) Bizon when he traveled to unknown time between Aoba's time and 54 years into the future (he was not born yet) and become this major figure in Zogilia. This is either Bizon from episode 1 (makes the most sense for continuous loop) or Bizon from episode 13 (contradictory time travel theory if this is the case).
6) Hina's hairclip does not merge for some reason.

Hence, it is possible for there to be 2 entities to exist in the same timeline as long as it did not travel to a point where one already existed. If one existed, it will merge with it. If it did not exist yet, then the time traveling entity will come out whole as is.

Also, since both versions of Bizon's valiancer blew up, then Dio's Bradyon is safe if time traveling.

[jordantenney56]

Originally Posted by Birdway

lol I thought it was a pun for Ntr, you now netoribium .

Lmao it was a joke i took it from reddit and some guy was talking about bizon getting ntred and how he found netoribium and because he got ntred he started a war. when the actual name for it was nectoribium the resource zogillia seems to be obsessed with just like bizon's "Hina"..... sweet jesus im surprised he never got jealous with the other 2 pilots when they were around with hina but only Aoba was around he turns into a friggin nutjob and btw i know it isnt ntr. Aoba has a polarizing effect on people. He got dio to become his friend over time. He got hina to like him even though she hated his guts at first and wanted to shoot him so its love at first shot lmao i know she doesnt yet..... he did nothing to mayuka and she likes him. While bizon hated him at first sight lmao and and started obsess over him and blames him for taking hina away and starts a war because of him after he got his valiancer blown up aoba and dio. I really find it funny both hina and dio couldnt stand aoba but ended becoming friends in the end i wonder why? I think his personality really rubs onto people like hina and dio and causes a one dimensional person like bizon to becomes friggin nuts and jealous because Hina showed interest in Aoba.

[greensoulreaper]

Originally Posted by Vindi89

To simplify, I dont' think during the series (as we saw it) that there was 2 Bizons. However at the end of this loop a new 'history' was made with 2 Bizons.

Ah sorry. I just wanted to throw my thought out there since I saw some posters being confused about this point.

Originally Posted by thundrakkon

6) Hina's hairclip does not merge for some reason.

Well if we think about it there is no way in knowing if the hair clip merged with another one already sitting inside the Luxon, or if it simply travels through the loops countless times. They never gave much more of a clue than Aoba finding it in the cockpit, and you can assume a lot of things from that alone. I mean logically it should have been on loli Hina along with the clothes, but it wasn't. My guess is that because it didn't show up with the school uniform on loli Hina, that it actually did merge with one that was already inside Luxon.

[Gundam8]

I think the the free pact alliance is going to launch a counter offensive soon in the second season.

A. Only 5 percent of there pacific fleet got destroyed because Hawaii base did not launch all of it fleet only half of it the alliance has got alliance five areal fleets in the pacific ill name them California ,Hawaii, Australia,japan and Mexico/panama.which just recently joined

B. zoligia has use up two years worth nectorberium mining unlike alliance which use a healthy diverse energy supply zoligia due to greed I think use else unhealthy amounts of nectorberium and do not know artificially produce unlike alliance who does and closely guards it and also mines it for civilian supply I would not be surprised if alliance reverse engineers the canon and it and improves on it makes fusion version of it if it does zoligia will have a death blow the alliance will sense this weakness and attack because of it .

C. The alliance has been slowly winning in mainland Europe and Oceania moving battle lines to the border of Russia or the former USSR and indochina losing two years worth losing there equipment will be more painful because there equipment is more expensive and and nectorberium will be scarce for them theme and plus they failed to reverse engineer the coupling process.

D. Don't be surprise if alliance military does launch the alliance launch this offensive without government approval and don,t be surprise if Russian and Scandinavian resistance groups more bold and get alliance backing to make getting nectorberium more painful

Ps I want responses to this please

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