2004-12-05, 19:44 | Link #1041 |
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Hey guys, I'm also new here but despite there being 1000 posts on this topic I thought I'd say hi anyway.
I agree that there could have been a bit mroe character development in this anime, but at the same time I thought what they had was okay too. I really wasn't disappointed with anything about this show. I found it so gripping I watched it all in one sitting, haha. Spoiler for ending:
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2004-12-07, 21:20 | Link #1042 |
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More Nana's Everyday Life!
If you don't know who Pedobear is, look here: http://otakubooty.bootyproject.org/s...d_article=5012 More Nana's life! Sorry for the blood. Poor Nana. : ( |
2004-12-11, 20:42 | Link #1044 |
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Not sure if anyone already said something similiar to this, but here's my two cents on the anime and the possibility for a sequel.
When I finished watching the anime for the first time, I got the feeling that it was somewhat rushed towards the end. That is, up to the part where the anime and the manga branches out, the story has been pacing itself nicely. But after that, everything speeds up to a climax and before you know it, "Das Ende". Now, I don't think the anime was bad, in fact, I liked how they were able to give the anime as much closure as it got in such few episodes. I'm not sure what the original plan for the anime was, but it almost felt as if they were forced to end it at 13 episodes since short animes typically ran for 13 episodes, while normal length ones go for 25-26 or 50-51 (I checked the AT-X site, which is the Japanese TV channel that aired Elfen Lied, and it indeed ran for 13 eps, and then replaced by another show in it's timeslot that's also slated to run for 13). As we know, even if the anime went the manga route, at the time the anime was being produced (probably around the beginning of 2004), there was probably barely enough material from the manga just to cover the 13 episodes, much less continue on to 26 or more. in fact, if the timeline checks out (I might be wrong), around the time when the anime was being produced (late 2003-early 2004), the manga was still at the point where the anime eventually branches out from. So for the anime to fill 13 episodes, the last few episodes had to be created to not only follow from the manga story, but also tie things up. Basically, the anime ended so soon probably not because it wanted to, but because there wasn't enough materials to keep going. (Or perhaps both) As for the possibility of a sequel, by looking at where the manga is now (further and further away from the anime story), the only way for this to work would have to be something along the line of Full Metal Alchemist, where anime and manga branched out and went on with two different storylines. Otherwise they'd have to find some ingenious way to somehow tie the anime's ending (Kouta about to open the door for the silhouette, possibly Lucy/Nyuu) back into the manga story somewhere. An OVA is more likely than another TV season because OVAs don't have any episode quotas to fill. It also depends on how long the manga's story goes on for. If there was a sequel to the anime though, I'd be happy. (*whisper* I like the anime Lucy better) |
2004-12-12, 04:52 | Link #1045 | |
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Now don't get me wrong, im not saying I would be pissed if she did infact survive as she was an interesting character and Nyu was really adorable and all that, just that I would prefer it from a moral perspective if she was dead, or at least have her without the ability to use her Vectors now since her other horn got shot off. If she is to live then she has to be limited in some way from now on since giving her a get of jail free card without some kind of penalty for her crimes would just be wrong. As for what I think of the ending myself, Im also quite happy with it but not for the same reasons, for me it was that she and Kouta were finally able to make their peace and have a heartfelt, tearful goodbye and then seeing her go out with the bang she had coming. That sillouette at the door MIGHT be her, but we cannot say for sure one way or the other. Last edited by Icehawk; 2004-12-12 at 07:27. |
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2004-12-12, 15:39 | Link #1046 | |
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My english is far from perfect, sorry if I make some stupid grammar mistake...
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2004-12-12, 19:08 | Link #1047 | |
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By this ridiculous logic the shooters at Columbine Hightschool were completely justified in killing those thirteen people. The fact she was bullied and pushed into becoming bitter does not make the choice to embrace her evil side a right one and it does not justify the crimes she committed. If this were true then alot of killers and butchers throughout history should just get off scot free because "they had a terrible childhood and were pushed that way" Quote:
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2004-12-13, 22:06 | Link #1049 |
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I get the feelingwipe out humanity feeling prity much every day for some reason or another,
And Yes I do know what it feels like to be pushed around, and how much you want to kill those bastards who are doing it, allthough that feeling has not happened in around 5-6 years or so. And those little fuckers who killed the puppy deserved to die. And alot of those people just had it comming. |
2004-12-13, 23:22 | Link #1052 |
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Ice, sometimes logic doesn't apply to stories which are meant to appeal to your emotions.
If someone were to make a movie about the Columbine shooters and present it the way Lucy was presented in Elfen Lied, you can bet that we'd be feeling for them. Sorry, but my mind is made up. Also, I believe I mentioned I'm not really a fan of Nyuu. |
2004-12-14, 00:00 | Link #1053 |
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To reply to Icehawk, I understand your reasoning why Lucy should be "brought to justice", so to say. The point I'm trying to make is, I don't think it would be very accurate to affix real life standards onto fictional characters, especially when they have superpowers. Imagine if in the real world everyone had vectors - there'd be heads popping and limbs flying all over everywhere. We've all wished at some point in our lives that someone would simply die or go away."Man I wish that dumbass kid would shut up" while on the bus, or "that dumbnut teacher failed me" while getting a test back. Except in Lucy's case, the people around her actually do get killed. And that's what made Lucy "humane", in a sense, because we can relate to her feelings of deep hatred for certain peoples (which, in Lucy's case, almost everyone because they treat her like a monster, so she kill them, which reinforces their belief of her as a monster, vicious cycle). Plus, if we want to start looking at anime characters with a realistic view, tons more anime characters should "face justice" before Lucy (ie. No.35/Mariko for her indifference to life, Bando for his reckless for other's life other than his own, every bad guy in Dragon Ball Z especially those who blew up whole cities or in some instances, entire planets, hell, even some of the good guys too should die too)
The point for Lucy's character is to bring a moral dilemma to the viewers "here's a cold blooded killer, here's what she is like now, but wait here's the reason why she's like this, and here's the reason why she's killed, and here's what she would've been like if she didn't become like this", basically, they took a generic "bad guy", make the viewer become familiar and attached to the character, to become sympathetic to her cause (humanity treat me like trash because of my difference/power, so I treat them the same with my power). Also, animes assume the viewers are pre-disposed towards the main characters, that is, as they feel attached to the characters, the viewers begin to hope for a good end for them, basically, it's the innate "goodness" of humanity toward others. That's why some people said "Oh that shadow in the end there is Lucy/Nyuu". In effect, people will start to believe that Lucy really isn't a "bad guy", but a good person at heart who has had a tragic life. Actually, my "ridiculous logic" is "girls get off easier than guys", imagine if Lucy was a Luke or something (boobs *disappear*, curvacious body *disappear*, big teary eyes *disppear*) how much sympathy now? Damn. Getting on a boring talk here, anyways, I simply replied before because I thought I saw a "killing is bad, bad people should die" simpleton. I didn't, but I still love my killer chick Lucy. |
2004-12-14, 08:30 | Link #1054 | ||
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We HAVE to look at fictional characters with at least some level of realistic view. Everyone does because we have to find someway to relate to them otherwise the characters would be nothing. Granted some anime and movies are not meant to be taken so seriously and are just for fun like average cartoons, but others such as Elfen Lied are VERY serious with heavy moral dillemas in them like you said. Moral dillemas are exactly what Im talking about in regards to Lucy. As I said I really like her character, and I felt deeply for her in those times she was abused and ridiculed, however, the creators of the show also took her character to the next level (which is a good thing as it adds more depth) by getting her to go TOO far and having her take her anger out on a number of innocent people and IMO, they did this specifically for the purpose of getting the viewer to REALLY think about the character before passing final judgement. Remember those random families that got slaughtered just so she could occupy their house for a few days? and when she heartlessly ripped Nana's arms and legs off? When it comes to such serious subject matter like that, I cannot help BUT look at it from a realistic and moral viewpoint.
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BAH, but anyways enough rambling. In Lucy's case, some of her killing was understandable, but others times like when she just killed those families right in their own houses, along with Kouta's sister and his father right in front of his eyes, that was going too far and so morally she "should" pay a price, and based on what happens in the last episode, she DID pay her price by chosing to leave Kouta and face the firing squad. Thats my take on it at least. She MAY have survived but we don't know for sure yet. If she did survive thats fine with me because she is a cool character and in the end was genuinly sorry for what she did, but if she does come back I think it would be better if she no longer had the ability to use her Vectors or at least be limited with them. Quote:
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2004-12-14, 22:49 | Link #1055 |
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**UNMARKED SPOILERS AHEAD**
(I saw other unmarked spoilers here so I'm working on the assumption that after 1000 replies we're assuming that people reading up to this point will know the story) I really like how Lucy developed. I tend to agree with Sushi that since she had such an abusive past it's realistic to think she would kill people in that way. The people that had controlled her and abused her were just pests to her and she got rid of them in the same way we'd pour boiling water on an ant colony or wasp nest near our houses. Remember she didn't think of herself as a human either ("humans are foolish"). She saw herself as a different species so that would affect the way she carried out her little war. I also agree with Sushi that since she has a superpower it really changes the way she sees things and acts. It was only Kouta that made an emotional connection with her and brought her back to reality. This was what I thought was neat about her. She didn't mind slaughtering people who were in her way, but she had feelings for people once she was able to care about them. Was she cruel to Nana, who's the same species as she is? Yes, but again, super powers + being in danger of getting captured = using superpwers to escape. Also, Lucy + angry = limbs flying. It's just how things work. I think she was remorseful for what she did to Kouta and his family but not really towards the countless people she killed (except maybe the people whose houses she broke into). As I said they were controlling her and getting in her way. She was trying to survive. I really liked the last scene she had with Kouta. People said it was cheesy and unrealistic but to me it was a neat display of character development. I like how this anime put its characters in such bizarre situations. It makes it harder to judge their actions and choices but it's certainly interesting. |
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2004-12-15, 17:43 | Link #1058 | |
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I've seen this "I had a bad childhood and so now I rip peoples heads off and it's okay" mentality in other anime before, and fans always seem to find those villians to just be "misunderstood". Soujiro (Rurouni Kenshin), Gaara (Naruto), and now Lucy, who is the worst of them all. It's not right, and it doesn't even begin to justify anything, but so many fans buy into it with sympathy. I just don't get it, I guess it's just a "thing" with the younger generation today. |
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2004-12-15, 22:32 | Link #1060 | |
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Oh, best not to watch this show with your mom and dad around, they might not approve |
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