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Old 2009-12-27, 06:47   Link #781
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I just watched the first nine episodes and -sigh- long rant ahead.

Seriously? Is this what people are championing as the next naruto? From the mundane and downright boring natsu, To the made-just-for-fangirls-mostly-topless gray, To the blonde nami ripoff, To the directly copied shikamaru character(Even the powers are the same ffs), How on earth did this get hyped to this level?

Yes the character designs might be nice and varied though highly reminiscent of one piece but the point is that this overblown Dungeons and Dragons ripoff has thus far been the same characters, the same arch-types and the same villains as most other shounen being hit on our heads over and over again.

I don't know whether its an effect of watching/reading too many shounen but fairy tail has yet to display any originality and uniqueness.
Naruto wasn't exactly the pinnacle of... whatever when it started either. Were you there when the first 10 episodes came out? It was just another anime about a stupid ninja in an orange jumpsuit. I certainly didn't think it would become the monster it is now. Heck, I wouldn't have even watched it if I hadn't read ahead in the manga and saw that it got better.

That said, Fairy Tail has very disappointing animation and pacing, so I really doubt it'll ever become a giant. It'll probably stop at 50 episodes or so.
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Old 2009-12-27, 07:29   Link #782
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You can't get rich and famous with works like Naruto anymore. It needs more than the typical Shounen Jump formula. Fairy Tail would be a smash hit 10 years ago but it is nothing today. As for the "new Naruto champion" talking, that is hype that comes along with every new anime that comes along, no matter how good or bad it is. Most end up being less than half of what they were credited being, so don't believe too much what you hear about new series.
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Old 2009-12-27, 07:31   Link #783
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Isn't Fairy Tail like the 4th best selling "typical" shonen action manga atm? Only behind the big 3 of One Piece, Naruto and Bleach... I'm not counting FMA obviously but it outsells Kekkaishi, Torioko and Mago.. I've probably forgotten something.. either way it's far from being "nothing".
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Old 2009-12-27, 07:34   Link #784
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It can sell and it can still be nothing. Just look at Bleach fillers.
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Old 2009-12-27, 07:49   Link #785
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About the characters: yes, they are just as generic as you describe them to be, but that's only for now...after all, you can't start a story where the characters are already deep and developed
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Naruto wasn't exactly the pinnacle of... whatever when it started either. Were you there when the first 10 episodes came out? It was just another anime about a stupid ninja in an orange jumpsuit. I certainly didn't think it would become the monster it is now. Heck, I wouldn't have even watched it if I hadn't read ahead in the manga and saw that it got better.
The thing is that naruto had emotional character development from the very onset i:e the first episode we were introduced to naruto as this emotionally developing character and it continued throughout that first arc.

I mean most mangaka would waste a ton of time but Kishi jumped right into it, Which is why i think it was so unique and great in the first place.
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Old 2009-12-27, 07:58   Link #786
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Actually I didn't think much of any anime or manga I've encountered...but I always wait a few arcs to see how it goes. Give it some time, it might surprise us all (but I don't really think it will).
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Isn't Fairy Tail like the 4th best selling "typical" shonen action manga atm?
Although I highly doubt it's in the top five, it does have quite the impact.
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Old 2009-12-27, 08:16   Link #787
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Oh I forgot D.Gray Man, that's another that is much more popular than Fairy Tail.

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It can sell and it can still be nothing. Just look at Bleach fillers.
You do realize when people talk about something being a smash hit, its based off how well things sell Calling something that sell over 200,000 copies in its first week nothing is lolz

And since when did Naruto become a beacon of "quality" when it came to shonen manga anyway lol.

Here's the top 10 series sales for 2009 btw

1. One Piece (Oda Eiichiro) (14,721,241)
2. Naruto (Kishimoto Masashi) (6,836,494)
3. Bleach (Kubo Tite) (6,471,021)
4. Fullmetal Alchemist (Arakawa Hiromu) (5,810,522)
5. Gintama (Sorachi Hideaki) (4,733,511)
6. Katekyou Hitman REBORN! (Amano Akira) (3,694,323)
7. Mei-chan no Histuji (Miyagi Riko) (3,076,659)
8. Fairy Tail (Mashima Hiro) (2,886,942)
9. 20th Century Boys (Urasawa Naoki) (2,655,379)
10. Saint Oniisan (Nakamura Hikaru) (2,614,269)

lol @ #8 being nothing.
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Old 2009-12-27, 08:32   Link #788
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If they don't like the anime they aren't going to like the manga. The plot's still completely the same.
Give or take some blood and filler, and the manga being much farther along. I get what you're saying, but I stand by my statement.

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Isn't Fairy Tail like the 4th best selling "typical" shonen action manga atm? Only behind the big 3 of One Piece, Naruto and Bleach... I'm not counting FMA obviously but it outsells Kekkaishi, Torioko and Mago.. I've probably forgotten something.. either way it's far from being "nothing".
In Japanese sales it came behind FMA, Gintama, and Reborn this past year. 8th in the nation is still pretty darn high though:

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news...apan-by-series

Edit: Curses, you beat me to it. I blame the server crapping out on me
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Old 2009-12-27, 10:25   Link #789
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The thing is that naruto had emotional character development from the very onset i:e the first episode we were introduced to naruto as this emotionally developing character and it continued throughout that first arc.
My lord, Fairy Tail has only just started. Not every series needs to have an 'emotional' start right from the beginning. Just stop comparing this show to others, and enjoy the experience that's yet to come.

& it's unique for having an emotional start from the beginning? I've seen that done plenty of times, and even before Naruto's time. It's nothing new.
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Old 2009-12-27, 13:09   Link #790
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Rave made into anime is not good, but at least has more fight animation than Fairy Tail.
Anime creator are too lazy for this.
But Fairy Tail anime is comedy is better than Rave.
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Old 2009-12-27, 19:34   Link #791
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Yeah , hopefully Happy is there for the comedy
Just watch ep 11 ^^
Ow , and Grey was very shocked and angry

You can tell that the hero main character is typical like Naruto/Ichigo/Luffy etc .. but the story is different ...
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Old 2009-12-27, 23:16   Link #792
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Is there a good place to get Fairy Tail Images, mostly all I'm finding with Google, is manga cover images.
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Old 2009-12-28, 06:27   Link #793
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Is there a good place to get Fairy Tail Images, mostly all I'm finding with Google, is manga cover images.
See, that's the weird thing: Despite being the 8th best-selling manga in Japan, it gets almost no fanart. Not even porn. You'd think at least a few of those 2.88 million buyers would know how to draw, but...

Anyway, to answer your question, try DeviantArt. There's also Pixiv, but setting up an account is a bit tricky. There are guides for it online though.
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Old 2009-12-28, 07:37   Link #794
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There's also Pixiv, but setting up an account is a bit tricky. There are guides for it online though.
It's insanely simple with a guide, and yeah they can be found with google.

I'll send OkamiNoKaze some links to sites that have a lot of images of Fairy Tail.
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Old 2009-12-28, 08:42   Link #795
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You do realize when people talk about something being a smash hit, its based off how well things sell Calling something that sell over 200,000 copies in its first week nothing is lolz
What part do you find lolz? Just because something sells, it doesn't mean it is a good series. The proof lies in the list you gave yourself.

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Here's the top 10 series sales for 2009 btw

1. One Piece (Oda Eiichiro) (14,721,241)
2. Naruto (Kishimoto Masashi) (6,836,494)
3. Bleach (Kubo Tite) (6,471,021)
4. Fullmetal Alchemist (Arakawa Hiromu) (5,810,522)
5. Gintama (Sorachi Hideaki) (4,733,511)
6. Katekyou Hitman REBORN! (Amano Akira) (3,694,323)
7. Mei-chan no Histuji (Miyagi Riko) (3,076,659)
8. Fairy Tail (Mashima Hiro) (2,886,942)
9. 20th Century Boys (Urasawa Naoki) (2,655,379)
10. Saint Oniisan (Nakamura Hikaru) (2,614,269)

lol @ #8 being nothing.
Are we really suppose to believe that Bleach is better than FMA because it sold more? And the comparisson can extend to almost anything else.
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Old 2009-12-28, 09:35   Link #796
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First off your comparison of Bleach and FMA is silly since FMA is a monthly manga and has far less volumes released than the weekly manga Bleach, it's commonly known that FMA is only second to One Piece when it comes to shounen manga popularity.

And when it comes to smash hits (you know the term you used!) quality doesn't matter, it's how well it sells. For instance I can think Wii Fit is a pos video game but there's no denying it's a smash hit based on how many copies it has sold. Smash Hit =! Critics hit!
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Old 2009-12-28, 09:45   Link #797
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Hurray for Gintama !
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Old 2009-12-28, 09:52   Link #798
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My lord, Fairy Tail has only just started. Not every series needs to have an 'emotional' start right from the beginning. Just stop comparing this show to others, and enjoy the experience that's yet to come.

& it's unique for having an emotional start from the beginning? I've seen that done plenty of times, and even before Naruto's time. It's nothing new.
I never said Fairy Tail had to have had an emotional start, I was merely pointing out why naruto had held my interest right from the very start, What I'm saying is that each series has a certain something to keep you involved and interested from the very start. Naruto had emotional development, One piece had a great premise and an art style out of anything before it, Bleach had..well never mind. My point is that even if fairy tail was to eventually get better as it progressed it should have that certain something right from the start.

I just think fairy tail is weekly shonen magazine's attempt to imitate jump's huge success with one piece/bleach/naruto since they haven't had any major success with most of their other works recently. As seen from the top ten list Fairy Tail is their only series which managed to get in the top ten.
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Old 2009-12-29, 03:11   Link #799
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Bleach started out rather cult, with every week focusing on how much gore to use when killing hideous monsters...but it somehow degenerated into what it is today
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Seconded! And for FT too, this is the FT thread after all...
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My point is that even if fairy tail was to eventually get better as it progressed it should have that certain something right from the start.
Point considered, thanks
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Old 2010-01-03, 18:26   Link #800
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Rave made into anime is not good, but at least has more fight animation than Fairy Tail.
Anime creator are too lazy for this.
But Fairy Tail anime is comedy is better than Rave.
This. I'd have to say that FT has just as much or more action than any other manga that I've ever read, including Rave, and yet they cut any possible action there is, down and make it less than what it is. Even though there isn't much of it yet at this point.
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