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Perfect 10 | 31 | 43.06% | |
9 out of 10 : Excellent | 19 | 26.39% | |
8 out of 10 : Very Good | 13 | 18.06% | |
7 out of 10 : Good | 8 | 11.11% | |
6 out of 10 : Average | 1 | 1.39% | |
5 out of 10 : Below Average | 0 | 0% | |
4 out of 10 : Poor | 0 | 0% | |
3 out of 10 : Bad | 0 | 0% | |
2 out of 10 : Very Bad | 0 | 0% | |
1 out of 10 : Painful | 0 | 0% | |
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2012-02-14, 15:32 | Link #122 | |
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Admittedly I would try having the source material at hand when translating something like this, but you can't expect it from a simple translator. I know it's quite frustrating, that's why I try and keep track of small inconsistencies like this, which can become quite big problems during speculations. It's not like I can actually participate all that much in the deduction process after reading the novel...so at least I can ensure that people can have fun without being lead in the wrong direction. |
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2012-02-14, 15:44 | Link #123 |
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2 tiers up, then anything below that. So both sides grandparents, any of their kids, and any of the kid's kid's, thus includes cousins.
Or two degrees of separation, which won't include cousins since they require 3 hops In 1997, a kid named Sakakibara murdered 2 people in middle school. IRL. |
2012-02-14, 15:48 | Link #124 | |||||
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But yeah... that jacks Izumi way up there as the "dead" or the "another" this time around. Quote:
Nope. I meant address. The poster who posted that translation notes that the address of Akazawa Kazuma is the same as that of Akazawa Izumi as written on the respective rosters. A common surname wouldn't be enough to imply blood relations but a common address on top is almost 99 % implying that they are blood related. Quote:
I did somewhat bring some of it up - or rather, suggested that there is something amiss - when I supported the notion that her mom might have been related to Yomiyama Misaki somehow. But now that you made me think about it, why should we trust Misaki with her "I already know that I am not dead." remark? Does she (or someone acquainted to her) have some special power or something? Misaki mentions that Kirika cares only about "certain things" regarding her this episode while in the previous episodes she mentioned that her eyes can "see" things beyond normal. She also suggested that her eye was something more than a normal artificial eye that Kirika made. We can pass it off as just her obsession with art but I have a creepy theory. What if Kirika has Misaki "aid" her in making her creepy dolls that somehow seem to predict the death of the next victim? That is, if there is any merit to the doll falling down being a predictor of the nurse falling down to death. And the way Misaki goes "Ritsuko-san eh?" when Sakakibara shows his teenage mom in that pic made me go "wut" as well. She obviously hadn't been told the name by Sakakibara. How, then, did she know the name of the girl Sakakibara pointed out o_o? I can only imagine that Chibiki had been telling her everything about the class from 26 years ago or that the picture is very clearly labeled with names. But if it is, then the "eh" would imply that something's special about Ritsuko. Perhaps she was the student who first admitted to Yomiyama Misaki's presence? Spoiler for further pointless rambling and most likely wrong speculah:
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But really... this widespread "depression" and struggle about individual identity and such among the youth is something I have observed in countries like China, India and the surrounding countries - if not even in the west. I can assure you this as it is a very real part of my life. I fit the description of a "gaijin hikkikomori" perfectly. I will grant you as much that American youth don't seem plagued with this nearly as much. I have, however, met very remarkable young individuals from the US and Canada who were "suffering" from this. But most Americans don't spend their time tackling these questions for long, if at all. I honestly think that if it weren't for the dumbed down media and the culture that focuses too much on sports and other activities that provide instant gratification, the US would be the perfect brooding ground for a generation of youth that obsesses over this "angst". To answer your question about why the sickness is so pervasive, I would say it's the increasingly suffocating modern world, and Japan is a part of it. And I am of the opinion that it's gonna get more pronounced rather than that this should be a thing of the past and we should all be happy for it's the 21st century. This is our generation's plague and I can only wish we'd hurry up and notice it. Anyway, I am not sure if we should trust Chibiki. He says that Yomiyama Misaki died in a fire but if he knows that so clearly as the homeroom teacher then why are there so many uncertain rumors floating about how Misaki died?
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2012-02-14, 15:51 | Link #125 | |
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Is it really that unimaginable that Reiko killed Ritsuko while she was in labor or maybe after giving birth to Kouichi? Can somebody explain something to me by the way? Maybe it's been lost in the many pages this thread already has. But how is it even possible that Reiko is the Another? She's not in Class 3 right now, she also wasn't in class 3 2 years ago, so how could she have died due to the curse then? |
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2012-02-14, 15:53 | Link #126 | |
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Izumi is head of countermeasures, thus she probably had been involved in choosing the person to ignore. The person to be ignored can't be chosen after the year begins since choosing to ignore requires acknowledging, setting off the curse. Thus that eliminates two people, the person being ignored, Misaki, and the person that chose that person, Izumi. Of course memories could be edited and stuff, but the curse seems to try to be as minimal in impact as possible in memory editing. Depends on how you define two tiers. As I mentioned above, half of us seem to be thinking it means two degrees of separation, while others think its 2 up, then anything below. |
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2012-02-14, 15:56 | Link #127 | |
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@Random32: This episode showed us the scene where the person to be ignored was chosen. And Misaki was chosen after Izumi and co. visited Sakakibara in the hospital. Clearly after the start of schoolyear. It may have been because they thought they were safe and didn't bother to choose earlier but I am of the opinion that it doesn't matter when you begin to ignore as long as you ignore the person. Otherwise there is no point in ignoring Sakakibara now either. The "choosing to ignore requires acknowledging" isn't exactly correct because whether or not you are acknowledging someone is something that only comes into play after you are ignoring (by virtue of ignoring them or just not having known about them beforehand) the said someone. In other words, you can't acknowledge someone if you weren't already ignoring (or unaware of) them, by definition.
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2012-02-14, 16:08 | Link #128 |
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I took a screen shot of the degrees of separation diagram.
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Based on this, cousins aren't included. Also, a few minutes before this, when Kouichi and Mei were looking at the 1972 class photo, I noticed that there was some writing underneath the picture that seemed to line up with the bottom row of the students. I can't read what it said, but my guess is that the writing identifies who's in the picture. This would explain how Mei knew Kouichi's Mom's given name and why Kouichi suspected the librarian was the teacher of the class even though the librarian doesn't look much like his old self according to Kouichi.
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2012-02-14, 16:29 | Link #130 |
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I don't think we have been explicitly told that there can only be 1 Another, but I would think it a reasonable assumption - the original incident that started all this involved treating one nonexistent person as if he was there, so it would make sense for the following cases to mimic said pattern.
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2012-02-14, 22:44 | Link #131 |
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I would assume there can only be one "another." The class has only one extra student in every case we have seen so far, thus only one student could have been added.
The opening scene of ep6 felt weird, but I didn't realize it was a flashback. Fail on my part. The series now fails to make sense though. Hopefully more explanation will make it make more sense. |
2012-02-14, 23:52 | Link #132 | ||||
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On my crack theory that Yomiyama Misaki = Misaki Kirika, I think that VDZ makes a few good points.
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And if you take Mei's words to heart, the Another (or ghost student), is impossible to detect by normal means since he/she would appear normal. So even Kouichi can be Another. Mei could be an Another, even though there is overwhelming evidence that she exists physically. I don't accept the explanation of the "curse", since that would be bad writing and I could shoot rockets through all the loopholes. In fact, I could even come out with the crazy theory of "The nurse is Another! She pretended to die and altered the memories of her life! She is secretly offing students by psychic means!" Too many unknowns to deal with. Quote:
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This would explain some stuff like Mei's hesitation when talking about Fujiwara, the doll in the coffin, Mei's "she is my other half", Mei being a single child. Now, my question would be: What is Kirika Misaki's original name if the theory goes through. Quote:
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I think Scarecrow brings up a valid point. Who said there was only one? What if it was like "The Sixth Sense" and the whole town was filled with dead people?
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2012-02-15, 02:46 | Link #134 | |
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Since you're an Umineko fan, you should recognize this one: It is forbidden for the case to be resolved with clues that are not presented. Although Another doesn't really keep all of the Knox decalogue rules, that one is a basic rule for any mystery. You can't just randomly assume things without a reason - I could say the story is actually a crossover with Chaos;Head and Kouichi is being mind controlled by Noah2, and there's actually nothing going on in town at all. You could make up the most ridiculous theories like that, hence that basic rule that you cannot make a solution unrelated to the clues presented. We have no evidence to suggest the Another's memory alteration occurs beyond alterations needed to make the Another fit in. We also have no evidence to suggest the nurse faked her death (fake deaths happen pretty often in mysteries, actually, but generally there is some clue they're not dead, such as the body never being found). We actually saw the elevator death scene and have no evidence to suggest that scenes like that are unreliable narration. Add to that the fact that police agreed she was dead and you'd need a huge conspiracy to make that work. Plot hole: Yomiyama Misaki died in the original house fire. Mei's cousin died in 1998. Also, this would require Kirika to be older than she seems, since she had a 15/16 year old son in 1972. Assuming she get pregnant at a really young age, let's say 18 years old, that would make her latest birth year 1954. At youngest, she could be 44, but most likely she would be even older if that were the case. Oh, and the fact that Yomiyama's parents and sibling died in the fire also presents a bit of a problem. Hold it right there. Why the red text? When was it ever confirmed Kirika Misaki is a fake name? People would hate it after trying to solve the mystery in a non-ridiculous way and getting a ridiculous answer that makes no sense, and there would be no anime adaptation. |
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2012-02-15, 03:34 | Link #136 | |
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Anyway, it's not that weird that the separation is more than just "up". People in high school, or their siblings, don't usually have children. So it's not strange that those cases aren't included in the diagram. I don't think it's that far fetched that children (if they exist) and children of siblings (if they exist) can be affected as well. Anyway, where was it said that the memory altering phenomenon is limited to the town only? |
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2012-02-15, 05:03 | Link #137 | |
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Chibiki distinctly told Sakakibara that the phenomenon has a limited range, not unlike that for cellphones. People who go out of range are not affected by it. |
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2012-02-15, 06:54 | Link #138 |
is this so?
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Good episode. So it seems the evil looking librarian isn't a bad guy after all.
Liked the scenes between Kouchi and Mei, I'm seriously hoping they both survive till the end of this anime. I wonder what happened to the teacher? He suddenly became mentally unstable. The knife reminded me of the knife attacks on school children in China.
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2012-02-15, 07:39 | Link #140 | |
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Moreover, that could explain why ignoring a student only works about half the time: sometimes, Another is simply not in the class, so ignoring a student there is useless. That sort of makes sense to me. I'd like to add that although not included in the diagram seen in the show (to mislead us), Uncles and Aunts are also second degree relatives. Incidentally, I believe the reason even family members are killed is because Misaki Yomiyama's whole family died at the same time as he did.
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