Hanasaku Iroha - Episode 14 Discussion / Poll

[Giriath]

You guys are all small time. What we need is Ohana x Yuina!

It will never happen, but it is certainly implied in subtext, especially in this chapter.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Giriath

You guys are all small time. What we need is Ohana x Yuina!

It will never happen, but it is certainly implied in subtext, especially in this chapter.

That's some pretty blatant subtext.

Spoiler for subtext dawg:

[Lessing-love]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

That's some pretty blatant subtext.

Spoiler for subtext dawg:

That's not subtext. That's "someone drops his pants and slaps you in the face with the point" text.
(then again, it's Japan; totally different cultural attitudes about female to female affection)

[Midonin]

Originally Posted by FMeral16

Aside from that one minute where Ohana just HAD to think about Ko and tear up, wasn't this episode much more fun and refreshing?

That's what brought me back after an absence from the past three episodes. I can appreciate what drama does for a series, but it's not something I can easily discuss, at least not naturally. But when the show gets a little closer to what it was during that 3~7 quintet, I will gladly indulge in it.

[Zeroryoko1974]

Nice little bit of fan service in ep 14

[Master Chibi]

Points to Ohana for having the cutest butt ever.

[Peanutbutter]

Originally Posted by Master Chibi

Points to Ohana for having the cutest butt ever.

I'll say that's a flat butt. Everything about her is pretty flat.

Then again, there are some people who like such attributes.

[totoum]

Hanasaku Iroha,the show that gets the director of FMA:brotherhood to storyboard its beach episode

Nothing much to say that hasn't already been said.

My favorite parts of the OP is how Ohana is getting chased by the heron and the way Minko rides that bike.Both were bief but nice touches.

[Master Chibi]

Originally Posted by Peanutbutter003

I'll say that's a flat butt. Everything about her is pretty flat.

Then again, there are some people who like such attributes.

It's a little flat, but I don't really have a preference. Round, bubble, pert, whatever. Her's in particular goes with her stature, so it's inherently cute.

<3

[Guardian Enzo]

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

I don't think it can really be compared to the relationship that existed in Bakuman.
There's a difference between trolling and bad writing Romance in a series/book is like baking. You've got to take raw ingredients and make them into something via complex chemical reactions. Right now Ohana/Ko bassically consists of raw sugar. You wouldn't serve that to someone at a restaurant would you?

If you think this is bad writing, you're entitled to your opinion. I think she's doing a very good job transferring Ohana's confused adolescent state of mind to the viewer, and it's pissing some of them off.

Originally Posted by Roger Rambo

Spoiler for subtext dawg:

Now that's what I call festing it up!

[Lessing-love]

Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

If you think this is bad writing, you're entitled to your opinion. I think she's doing a very good job transferring Ohana's confused adolescent state of mind to the viewer, and it's pissing some of them off.

I don't think he's saying the show's writing is bad. I think he's just implying that making Ko/Ohana canon with what he sees as insufficient build up for their relationship would frankly be in poor taste. I think Roger thinks the writer is deliberately portraying their relationship as (aside from adolescent agonizing) mostly kinda fluffy and shallow, and to abruptly switch gears near the end with little set up would ring hollow.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

If you think this is bad writing, you're entitled to your opinion.

I thought it was a pretty well articulated and logically thought out opinion myself

Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

I think she's doing a very good job transferring Ohana's confused adolescent state of mind to the viewer, and it's pissing some of them off.

I think Ohana is being portrayed quite realistically as being confused and adolescent. That is an interesting aspect of her personality as she grows and matures.


I'm just amused that some people aren't making the logical jump to realizing that said "Confused Adolescent state of mind" is a reason that many relationships between teenagers don't work out.

Originally Posted by Lessing-love

I don't think he's saying the show's writing is bad. I think he's just implying that making Ko/Ohana canon with what he sees as insufficient build up for their relationship would frankly be in poor taste. I think Roger thinks the writer is deliberately portraying their relationship as (aside from adolescent agonizing) mostly kinda fluffy and shallow, and to abruptly switch gears near the end with little set up would ring hollow.

HIVEMIND!

Yes. That's pretty much it.

[Guardian Enzo]

That's a legit opinion, but I think if you're familiar with how Okada does things you'll eventually come to see that's not the direction she's going for. She's actually set up Kou as the one constant element in Ohana's psyche - not an episode passes where she doesn't agonize over him, whether he's physically present or not. At the very least, the resolution of the series needs to center around that relationship being sorted out, even if they don't end up together, or that really will be sloppy writing.

Okada has written a lot more than True Tears - there's plenty of evidence out there to be analyzed if you look for it.

[Lessing-love]

Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

That's a legit opinion, but I think if you're familiar with how Okada does things you'll eventually come to see that's not the direction she's going for. She's actually set up Kou as the one constant element in Ohana's psyche - not an episode passes where she doesn't agonize over him, whether he's physically present or not. At the very least, the resolution of the series needs to center around that relationship being sorted out, even if they don't end up together, or that really will be sloppy writing.
\.

Of course. I doubt there's anyone on this forum who doesn't agree there needs to be definite resolution. But we're not arguing for just letting the Ko thing slip away; we're just arguing that it doesn't feel like Okada is setting them up to be a workable end game couple, and can't see it happening without some really inorganic, contrived plot twists.

[Archon_Wing]

Eh let's see

Kou-- has some attraction to Ohana, hasn't done much, may get with other girl. Ohana gets sad because she has no idea what to do. The main problem is that he's too far away and both are unwilling to do anything.

Tooru-- He is attracted physically to Ohana and is there. He has a motorcycle. But honestly, being there's not a good enough reason.

Since any pairing makes sense as the last here, I'll just go with Ohana x Nako.

Of course, since this is an Okada script, the least deserving person should win so... *runs away*

[totoum]

I still ship HonanaXKissuiso

When Okada said this would be an anime about learning to love your work,she meant it litteraly

[Archon_Wing]

Originally Posted by totoum

I still ship HonanaXKissuiso

When Okada said this would be an anime about learning to love your work,she meant it litteraly

Pretty much.

The main problem I have with romance in this is that the viable guys are pretty lame, at this rate it's not about who "wins", if Ohana's getting with them in their current shape, she has everything to "lose"

Atm, I'd recommend the show not delve that deep into romance, otherwise I'm probably gonna laugh at whatever happens and feel sorry for our poor heroine.

Edit:
Basically I don't want it to end up like Mai-HiME where

Spoiler:

The lead goes with the most sorry excuse of a man in anime ever

[littlegal100]

I always wondered why Yuina was always seen as OP as if she was a main character considering her little screentime but this episode definately made her more relevant to the show.

The episode overall was nice nothing amazing but enjoyable to watch. A breather from the last 3 episodes which were pretty heavy on drama and romance. Though I guess there isn't much to talk about this episode which is why this thread discussion is being derailed with Ko and Ohana's romance

[Ghostfriendly]

Originally Posted by Archon_Wing

Pretty much.

The main problem I have with romance in this is that the viable guys are pretty lame, at this rate it's not about who "wins", if Ohana's getting with them in their current shape, she has everything to "lose"

Atm, I'd recommend the show not delve that deep into romance, otherwise I'm probably gonna laugh at whatever happens and feel sorry for our poor heroine.

Edit:
Basically I don't want it to end up like Mai-HiME where

Spoiler:

The lead goes with the most sorry excuse of a man in anime ever

All the characters, but especially the men, have some way to develop in this show; Ko and Tooru have good qualities, but they largely seem to be hidden by their shyness or insensitivity. Changing their characters into convincing love interests wouldn't take so much development as some guys seem to be demanding, just a realisation.

Ko is missing out on Ohana's current development, but he's known her for a some time already (a childhood flashback would be useful here), and shouldn't take too long to see that she's changed, if he cares about her on any firm basis. As someone who like(d) her, he should know more about the emerging best side of Ohana than she does.

[Roger Rambo]

Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

That's a legit opinion, but I think if you're familiar with how Okada does things you'll eventually come to see that's not the direction she's going for.------------

Okada has written a lot more than True Tears - there's plenty of evidence out there to be analyzed if you look for it.

I'll admit I AM a bit curious as to what particular factors present in Okada's other work is being referred to here. I've heard this particular line of thought brought up many times during discussion in these threads but I've not quite grasped what the comparisons being made are.

Keep in mind that the core of my dubious assessment stems from the seeming lack of personal interactions between Ko and Ohana that generally you expect to see as the foundation of a romantic relationship in most stories. Yes. Ohana reminisces allot but there's not all that much developing understanding going on between the two.

All this is in a large part a natural consequence of Ohana and Ko spending so much time separated from eachother. And from my brief read over of some of the series that Okada has done, I'm not seeing the emphasis on the primaries being so dramatically out of touch with eachother.

Originally Posted by Guardian Enzo

She's actually set up Kou as the one constant element in Ohana's psyche - not an episode passes where she doesn't agonize over him, whether he's physically present or not. At the very least, the resolution of the series needs to center around that relationship being sorted out, even if they don't end up together, or that really will be sloppy writing.

Obviously. There needs to be some closure since Ko, whether some people like it or not is a major element of Ohana's character. My contention is that I'm not seeing the personal character growth/interplay which would suggest something more than this.