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Look Dexxy, I had not the single slightest idea of Ohnogi's involvement until well after I finished Macross Frontier. Before then, I thought it was all Kawamori's doing, and I thought he had done a good job (until episode 25 put a sudden stop on my track). It took me a long while before I realized that my praises were presented to the wrong individual! Say what you will about Ohnogi's portrayal of Ranka, he is the one who put Macross on top of the polls and has other credentials to prove his worth. Moreover, one thing you can never deny is the fact that Kawamori fucked it up, a fact he himself admitted. May this simple reminder resound until the end of days. *Chuckles* This accusation coming from Mr. he is always with his fold booster Dex? Holy shit, now I've seen everything. - Tak (I love you too Maggy)
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2009-03-02, 21:37 | Link #1483 |
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I think as far as Ranka is concerned neither Kawamori nor Ohnogi did a good job with her. Ohnogi did a great job with Sheryl, but even though he tried his best to save the story (and did succeed to a degree...it became popular under his watch) he didn't do Ranka any favors. Kawamori wanted to keep her an unchanging stereotypical loli moe blob. Ohnogi...well, to be honest I think Ranka's worst traits showed up while the story was under his control. The terrible episode 20 is all Ohnogi. I think Kawamori and Ohnogi have to sit back and really think and plan out exactly what they want to do with her character and where they want her to go for the movie.
edit: when I say 'terrible' as far as ep. 20 goes I don't mean the episode was bad, but this is the point when I was REALLY unhappy with Ranka's character.
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2009-03-02, 21:55 | Link #1486 | |
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1. a searching examination or investigation; minute inquiry. 2. surveillance; close and continuous watching or guarding. 3. a close and searching look ?. ...but all of my opinions are like being opposed..it's not an examination but like a war... sure..ranka might have turned into a cake.. but i mean..if Sheryl didnt save Ranka...Sheryl might have not been able to live either.. i mean Ranka is cute.. sheryl is cool...it's like comparing Utada and Hamasaki...they are too diff. to be compared...i never disagreed with you..or said that u were wrong.. |
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2009-03-02, 21:58 | Link #1487 | |
Alto x Ranka :)
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2009-03-02, 22:25 | Link #1488 | |
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2009-03-03, 06:33 | Link #1489 |
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And a third...just plainly ignores you! I think it's the worst of the 3. Ok back to the topic:
I think Ranka's character was somewhat real,but she was clearly an anti-heroine. It's as annoying as Shinji from NGE.(Note: maybe because of the Evangelion's psichological nature i wasn't annoyed with Shinji and the sole reason why i was annoyed a bit with Ranka because she had little character development. That won't change the fact that most of the viewers were annoyed by both of them.) A hero or heroine must be morally right and have a strong will. It's possible to make a good show with an anti-hero/heroine, but not in the classical manner. Macross Frontier's plot in that terms was classical. A hero or heroine must have adimirable features...Ranka has none of them(exept the Vajra-netĐ connection...and her singing talent maybe but it's talent, not a human personae's feature). I hope it'll be otherwise in the movie. |
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2009-03-03, 10:37 | Link #1493 | |
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Now here's an interesting perspective that I haven't seen yet. Looking back, I'd have to say Tak probably has a good point here. When I look back at the other main characters it is hard for me to come up with examples where other "convenient" situations occur that advances their character development. Sure, Alto had a VF conveniently fall into his hands at ep1, but after that? With Sheryl...maybe when Ai stole her panties and caused her to jump off the roof and into Alto's arms. Honestly, it was to be expected the moment you quoted one of OD's post. I'm not surprised at all. What is it about OD's posts that attracts such piss poor writing? Last edited by cerrian; 2009-03-03 at 10:49. |
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2009-03-03, 13:10 | Link #1495 |
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ok...I didn't said that moraly totaly right...
And if you remember Musashi become a true Samurai later. He started as an anti-hero, but thanks to his character development he became a hero... Lee...i guess he has somehow moraly right despite being a ruthless killer(not to mention that's not exactly true at the time of the story...because he killed only with proper cause).It somehow contadicts but then imagine a Gundam pilot: He kills hundreds and we can say that he's moraly right(perhaps there's levels for how right someone moraly as for the strenght of someone's will) Ranka killed millions of people indirectly but she shown no regret...it's enough for her to being anti-heroine.And perhaps her weak will is another issue for it. But you're right somehow...the people hates her because her lack of proper character development, but it's partly because her being somehow anti-heroine from the start(ok exept maybe the Galia arc, but it's an exeption...and i hoped she'll go that way from now on.) |
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Ranka lacks development like musashi, her interactions with the characters and her own actions continue to reaffirm that she is a one dimensional character, there are never hints that she is growing from expeirence, this naturally makes the audeince disengage and lose interest in her character, and once this happens her qualities of being an ingenue no longer are appealing but become more and more obnoxious, because her character feels less and less human, not in the sense of varja or not, but in the sense of what other humans feel about humans, which just means that we no longer seem to think of her as a plausible character but more of a cutout, at least thats my interpretation for ranka's character Last edited by Nosauz; 2009-03-03 at 14:27. Reason: lol i dunno how i got oishi, for the girls name |
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Hear hear, very good analysis Nosauz, very good. - Tak
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2009-03-03, 17:31 | Link #1498 |
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I do not come here often but each time I come the comments are mind blowing.
Musashi ..... Musashi ? Even I am a Ranka fan but would have never think of comparing him to Ranka even if it's the ultimate praise for her. Musashi compared to Ranka ?! Ranka lacks devopment like Musashi ? Comparing a great warrior as himself next to Ranka a heroine in Macross? Comparing someone who really existed ,who dedicated his life to find "the way" to someone who is a fictional character and an innocent girl by the way ? I cannot remain silent since about it. Even if you talk about Vagabond there are some comparisons that are absolutely impossible from a historical point of view and from a logical one. There isn't a single, possible comparison between the two at all. I am shocked, Musashi ? My God... Whatever you take before logging in, it's really time to reduce the dose... Musashi...,really... |
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Takky, I know your spitfire streak very well, and that's why you shall apply your brakes right here, and no you may not edit your post more to sneak in extra comments. :| For everyone else, I suggest you do the same as well and you could even use the ignore list like magnuskn did since it does come in rather handy and it'll save us time and grief.
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