Mechs, Weapons, and Technology of Code Geass

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Micante

We're having mechs being overpowered by far superior mechs instead of equal mechs barely pulling through thanks to strategy, that's what I meant by stronger mechs.

This show has barely ever had any fair mech fights except where grunts are concerned. As soon as the Lancelot came out it became "strongest mech" territory.

[Tokkan]

Yeah, the Lancelot's appearance in Stage 2, all of a sudden it was trouncing everything. Same thing with Guren in Stages 10 and 11, except when the Lancelot came about and it was an equal match, which Kallen lost due to terrain disadvantages. I think it's funny how every major custom mech trounces everything else, it's just it wasn't as bad last season since there were only 3 major customs then (Lancelot, Guren, Gawain). R2 has several custom machines.

[DarkLordOfkichiku]

Originally Posted by Micante

Percival - Beam Drill
Galahad - Beam Sword
Shenhu - Beam... thingy
Gino - Beam... thingy again that he used on Shinkirou when does two parts of his... Knightmare came together.

We're having mechs being overpowered by far superior mechs instead of equal mechs barely pulling through thanks to strategy, that's what I meant by stronger mechs.

Though the Gala and Shen-hu fight was indeed epic. I still love these battles, but I kind of miss the equality that was a bit more present in the first season. I'm not saying you have to miss that too, just putting my opinion out there.

Well, just wait until (and if) Kallen & Suzaku gets the chance to face each other again in their new knightmares - it'll be two glowing balls bounching all over the sky, throwing beams and whatnot at each other...

[Micante]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

This show has barely ever had any fair mech fights except where grunts are concerned. As soon as the Lancelot came out it became "strongest mech" territory.

Well, there was that time Lancelot was taken down by the Swords. That's the kind of strategy I miss.

Still, the Shen-hu vs. Galahad had two strategists fighting, so I guess strategies still exist. I still love the mech fights in R2.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by Micante

Well, there was that time Lancelot was taken down by the Swords. That's the kind of strategy I miss.

Still, the Shen-hu vs. Galahad had two strategists fighting, so I guess strategies still exist. I still love the mech fights in R2.

And what happened with the Swords?

Lloyd: "Quick Suzaku, use this new weapon you've never used before."
Swords: "ZOMFG, he got us."

The only difference between season 1 and season 2 is Suzaku's hax mech wasn't matched by anything. Even the Guren fell short thanks to all the weapons loaded on it. Now it's fair and Suzaku's plot armor has still kept him from getting his ass kicked by anything by a ridiculously stronger mech.

[Micante]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

And what happened with the Swords?

Lloyd: "Quick Suzaku, use this new weapon you've never used before."
Swords: "ZOMFG, he got us."

The only difference between season 1 and season 2 is Suzaku's hax mech wasn't matched by anything. Even the Guren fell short thanks to all the weapons loaded on it. Now it's fair and Suzaku's plot armor has still kept him from getting his ass kicked by anything by a ridiculously stronger mech.

Suzaku was cornered later but they couldn't finish him since Lelouch just discovered Suzaku was Lancelot's pilot and retreated.

[bladeofdarkness]

he would have got killed in ep 17 if lulu didnt deceide to retreat
toudo and the four holy swords could have beaten him
and thats without the guren actually taking part in the fight
lulu actually saved him

[Sander RX]

he would have got killed in ep 17 if lulu didnt deceide to retreat
toudo and the four holy swords could have beaten him
and thats without the guren actually taking part in the fight
lulu actually saved him

Depends on whether or not he could hold until the reinforcments came,Im sure he would hold if not Lelouchs pattern analysis.

[FlareKnight]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

And what happened with the Swords?

Lloyd: "Quick Suzaku, use this new weapon you've never used before."
Swords: "ZOMFG, he got us."

I'm pretty sure the reference was to when they were still following the plan rather than winging it on their own. They got owned after that, but the Lancelot was matched by a good strategy. As in Lelouch's rather than the spinning doom attack the Swords came up with.

The only difference between season 1 and season 2 is Suzaku's hax mech wasn't matched by anything. Even the Guren fell short thanks to all the weapons loaded on it. Now it's fair and Suzaku's plot armor has still kept him from getting his ass kicked by anything by a ridiculously stronger mech.

The Lancelot was hardly the only unmatched hax out there. On the ground the Lancelot and Guren were matched up fine. Its not the Guren's fault that Kallen wasn't watching where she was standing in the first match between them. The earlier Guren was capable that just at a slower pace since she had to grab, blast, and move on.

Sorry that you've wanted Suzaku to get his ass kicked and it hasn't gone according to your wishes. But let's not pick on the Lancelot that hasn't had the best week.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

I'm pretty sure the reference was to when they were still following the plan rather than winging it on their own. They got owned after that, but the Lancelot was matched by a good strategy. As in Lelouch's rather than the spinning doom attack the Swords came up with.

Fair enough, but they had numbers on their side too. One on one likely wouldn't go as well.

Originally Posted by FlareKnight

The Lancelot was hardly the only unmatched hax out there. On the ground the Lancelot and Guren were matched up fine. Its not the Guren's fault that Kallen wasn't watching where she was standing in the first match between them. The earlier Guren was capable that just at a slower pace since she had to grab, blast, and move on.

Sorry that you've wanted Suzaku to get his ass kicked and it hasn't gone according to your wishes. But let's not pick on the Lancelot that hasn't had the best week.

Sigh, fine, but I still hold my view that the Lancelot had too many advantages then and up until 18 now.

[SoldierOfDarkness]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

Fair enough, but they had numbers on their side too. One on one likely wouldn't go as well.

Sigh, fine, but I still hold my view that the Lancelot had too many advantages then and up until 18 now.

In comparison the lancelot hasn't seen much action compared to S1 prior to 18. Nor has it actually dominated any battle either (With exception to maybe the pacific attack but then again he was entering a fight that was already winding down)

That's of course excluding the EEU battles but battles with grunts always end in cannon fodder anyways.

[lousylaus]

Let's not forget also that the Lancelot in R2 is still the same one from S1. Sure it got some weapons upgrade but the actual frame itself didn't get upgraded since the start of the show.

Albion will only be Lancelot's 2nd version, while I'm pretty sure SEITEN is the Gurren's 3rd one.

[Micante]

Originally Posted by lousylaus

Let's not forget also that the Lancelot in R2 is still the same one from S1. Sure it got some weapons upgrade but the actual frame itself didn't get upgraded since the start of the show.

Albion will only be Lancelot's 2nd version, while I'm pretty sure SEITEN is the Gurren's 3rd one.

Nah, it will be Gurren's fourth one. Remember, in Gurren's debut, it was called Nishiki/ MKII. Which means it had to be upgraded from another Gurren. You don't just call the first mech MKII because it sounds cool.

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by lousylaus

Let's not forget also that the Lancelot in R2 is still the same one from S1. Sure it got some weapons upgrade but the actual frame itself didn't get upgraded since the start of the show.

Albion will only be Lancelot's 2nd version, while I'm pretty sure SEITEN is the Gurren's 3rd one.

The Seiten is also only the second one. The only difference between the Guren and the flying Guren is the flight pack, slight head modification, and the much better arm. The Lancelot Conquista has a new chest, shield equipped legs, a Hadron Blaster, and that cone thing.

[lousylaus]

based on the official site:

Gurren (3 ver): http://geass.jp/world_04.html?pid=mecha_01c.html
Lancelot (2 ver): http://geass.jp/world_04.html?pid=mecha_03b.html

[morbosfist]

Originally Posted by lousylaus

based on the official site:

Gurren (3 ver): http://geass.jp/world_04.html?pid=mecha_01c.html
Lancelot (2 ver): http://geass.jp/world_04.html?pid=mecha_03b.html

You missed one.

Lancelot
V1: http://geass.jp/first/world_04.html?pid=mecha_03.html
V2: http://geass.jp/world_04.html?pid=mecha_03.html
V3: http://geass.jp/world_04.html?pid=mecha_03b.html

Guren
V1: http://geass.jp/world_04.html?pid=mecha_01.html or http://geass.jp/first/world_04.html?pid=mecha_09.html
V2: http://geass.jp/world_04.html?pid=mecha_01b.html
V3: http://geass.jp/world_04.html?pid=mecha_01c.html

[Micante]

Originally Posted by morbosfist

You missed one.

Lancelot
V1: http://geass.jp/first/world_04.html?pid=mecha_03.html
V2: http://geass.jp/world_04.html?pid=mecha_03.html
V3: http://geass.jp/world_04.html?pid=mecha_03b.html

Guren
V1: http://geass.jp/world_04.html?pid=mecha_01.html or http://geass.jp/first/world_04.html?pid=mecha_09.html
V2: http://geass.jp/world_04.html?pid=mecha_01b.html
V3: http://geass.jp/world_04.html?pid=mecha_01c.html

Awesome, it looks like they're completely matched.

V1: Ground combat model
V2: Aerial model
V3: Powerhouse model

[lousylaus]

umm wonder why they didn't put the 1st Lancelot on the page I posted.

I went and checked a pic of S1 and didn't noticed much difference with the one from the page I posted(not Albion, the other one of course), so that's why I thought it was the same as S1. My mistake.

[Grandmaster Moron]

I was wondering, what's the point of introducing a new Tristan when it's nog on equal grounds as Lancelot Albion and Guren Seiten. It doesn't have Cecil's Energy Wing, so it probably wouldn't match either of those speed. Which is a pretty decisive factor if we look at the speed difference between the first flying Guren and the new Guren

[Ruvixur]

Because of all Lancelot vs Guren...
Not only Lancelot can take down Guren.
First, team work:
KOR team up vs Guren.
Of course, speed is important, but it will not help you much to kill high-level opponent if your knightmare is close-range oriented.
Second, Orange:
Why everyone forgets about Orange? I mean, he's CYBORG. If there is someone who can beat anyone, it's him.
Third, kill Kallen when she isn't in Guren.

And about first variant.
KOR can lure her in one line between KOR and Ikaruga/another important UFN/OoTBK ship. Kallen will have to take hits from KOR, or her allies will die.
1. They fire at Kallen.
2. Kallen takes hits.
3. Kallen loses energy.
4. ****
5. Profit!