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2009-04-18, 09:22 | Link #1802 | ||
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Clovis oviously doesn't give a damn about politics. He also refused to learn how to pilot a Knightmare, and is never shown to make an effort to please his father. He wouldn't even have gotten involved with that whole governing thing if it hadn't been for Lelouch's "death" in Japan, and I don't think the Emperor approved of his lack of political ambition. Clovis also kept Code R a secret from his father, which makes me doubt he held much love for him. If anything, he would blame him for sending his siblings to Japan in the first place, because despite what some people might think, Clovis is not dumb. Charles didn't have to attack Japan while Lelouch and Nunally were there. It is clearly shown that without Lelouch, Clovis doesn't have a purpose and couldn't care less about anything at all. He was, however, ready to take on a job he despised in honour of his brother and the match they never finished, and probably loved him more than anything else. So, in my opinion, if Lelouch had asked him to, and especially if he had told him what exactly the Emperor had done, Clovis wouldn't have hesistated to support Lelouch's cause. He used to be a truly awesome person before he came to Japan, and in the anime, he appeared for two episodes. You can't just take that little screen time and say: "It's completely certain he wouldn't have helped Lelouch" when the most defining thing about his character was his love for his brother. Sure, Clovis clung to his status. But did he have anything else left? If he'd been disinherited, he could have as well gone and jumped off a cliff. Actually, he could have done that before, but he's not the honourable death kind of guy. Quote:
And his hatred really runs deep. He was so sure Clovis was involved in his mother's death, when in truth, he admired her just like Cornelia did. Edit: Oh, and I think it was shown that Schneizel wasn't happy at all with what his father did. He simply wanted his ultimate world peace. Also, I doubt it's a coincidence that there is not one of Lelouch's siblings who was shown to love their father. That family was all about power - they tried to claw each other's eyes out whenever they could, which is why Lelouch viewed everyone there as his enemy. Those like Cornelia and Clovis, who truly cared about their siblings, were probably a huge exception. And I have a hunch Clovis only cared about some of his siblings.
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1. does the "Knight" rank exist for Princes? because it seems like Bartley was Clovis' second-in-command and we all know how gay kanon is for schneizel |
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2009-04-18, 22:59 | Link #1806 |
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How come no one tried to use biological weapons in the series? I'm sure some kamikaze pilots from Japan could've air-dropping fleas and dead bodies infected with engineered strains of bubonic plague on the Britannian mainland to trigger a genocidal epidemic or the capital to take out the leadership.
Better yet, have the Japanese covertly infect some food products with smallpox before selling them to the Britannians.
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2009-04-19, 01:18 | Link #1808 | |
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In any case, I think biological warfare was mostly done through the use of Refrain that the Britannians ran the cartels for in order to keep the Japanese in line. It would be nice to see some of the Japanese resistence utilize plague and smallpox but cleaning up infected areas is too much trouble. However, dropping those diseases in the Britannian mainland would have been a different story altogether... no different than sending a certain cursed video tape that kills people in seven days after they watch it.
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2009-04-19, 13:41 | Link #1810 |
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I think the word one is looking for here is not royalty, but nobility. Carline's mother may have been a noble, thus putting her higher than Lelouch. Carline may have only gotten higher than Nunnally after she and Lelouch were exiled to Japan.
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2009-04-20, 12:22 | Link #1811 | |
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He's an artis who, according to the Sound Drama, neither enjoys piloting a knightmare nor ruling a country He seemed to be truly interested in that research, yes, but we don't know his reasons. Was he bored? Was he curious? I can't imagine a likely scenario that would have forbidden him to go with the Emperor with whatever it was that he was looking for - except if he knew that his father already knew something, or if he was just trying to spite him. Or maybe he wanted to find something awesome and get the Emperor to let him return to Britannia without disinheriting him. But ambition - beyond retaining his social status - is a trade Clovis was never shown to have. Quote:
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2009-04-20, 14:47 | Link #1814 |
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Past tense.
He used to blame Japan, probably a very long time before he decided to go to Area 11. That's the impression I got, and I already explained somewhere why it makes the most sense to me. But sure, if you ignore his tone of voice and want to have everything at face value, I can't prove it, since Clovis' personality is really mostly a matter of interpretation. (Still, he found out that Lelouch had a Japanese friend, and at least that made a difference.) Doesn't change the fact that he was never shown to think very highly of his father, or that he probably loved Lelouch more than anything else.
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And it's awesome. Every Clovis fan should have listened to it. *-* So... you'll definitely get a pm from me. xD
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2009-04-23, 15:38 | Link #1818 | |
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And then, something happened along the way and Clovis became... the guy who Lelouch shot. Also, I find it interesting that Clovis is the only person Lelouch felt ill about killing.
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Whoever doubts those facts really needs to listen to teh respective Sound Drama. Did I mention it's awesome? Quote:
Also, Clovis was a part of Lelouch's past, and he basically did to him with his own hands what other people did to his mother. Not to mention they had an interesting relationship going on once upon a time. Even though Lelouch completely disregarded that, he probably didn't forget about it.
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