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Old 2017-08-21, 17:30   Link #241
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Why do people get so bothered when an episode doesn't contribute to a larger plot? I could understand if the overall plot received significant focus, but so far each episode has just been a self-contained story set to the background of a larger story. The episodes by themselves are good enough; I'd also be satisfied if we don't get some overall plot climax near the end of the series as long as the episodes themselves are good.
It doesn't have to contribute to the main plot, but it has to contribute to some narrative purpose.

For example, in the previous episode we learned about Dorothy's real name, her father, and more about her background/upbringing. We didn't learn anything more about the Duke of Normandy or get the Princess closer to the throne, but we got something important out of it still.

What was the purpose of this laundry episode? Did we learn anything more about Ange? Chise? Dorothy? The Princess? Beatrice?
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Old 2017-08-21, 17:35   Link #242
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Chise is a hardworker.
Ange being awesome, like always.
Beato lol being the adorable little shit she is.
Dorothy might have a connection to Marilla.
Charlotte taking a risk to by the mill.
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Old 2017-08-21, 17:54   Link #243
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Speaking as a professional Quality Assurance Manager, I'm just amused whenever my day-job life shows up in the anime world.

But then, the Japanese came up with a lot of the world's quality practices today (anyone else familiar with Genichi Taguchi?), so maybe I shouldn't be surprised.
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Old 2017-08-21, 18:10   Link #244
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It doesn't have to contribute to the main plot, but it has to contribute to some narrative purpose.
But why? What's wrong with an episode being amusing just by itself?
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Old 2017-08-21, 18:18   Link #245
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But why? What's wrong with an episode being amusing just by itself?
Think they worried about the series being 1 cour?
Certainly things would be less flexible.

So far, I've just been happy Princess Principle exists as it's been hilarious so far.
They'll grow the beard imo. the show will probably get darker and faster paced down the road. Let's just enjoy the ride for the moment.
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Old 2017-08-21, 18:39   Link #246
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So... the Princess now owns her own business, which is making a profit that she can call upon without needing either Crown funds or Commonwealth support and whose employees will be fanatically devoted to her should she ever need to call upon them.

I'm sorry, I don't quite follow the complaints of this being irrelevent to the larger plot, given how much she just advanced her cause without anyone noticing.
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Old 2017-08-21, 18:47   Link #247
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^ Somebody Noticed!

Though it's still probably in Controls hands more than anything considering Princess didn't have the funds herself as she explained.
Although it did feel like she sold it off but I don't think she did. Marilla is the Foreman know lolz.
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Old 2017-08-21, 19:17   Link #248
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Princess didn't say she doesn't have funds. She just doesn't have a lot to waste. That's why she said there was no problem because she was planing in turning the laundry into a profitable business.

It's still her money though. It was confirmed by the staff on twitter.

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Old 2017-08-21, 19:18   Link #249
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Princess didn't say she doesn't have funds. She just doesn't have a lot to waste. That's why she said there was no problem because she was planing in turning the laundry into a profitable business.

It's still her money though.
well w/e. Not much is an arbitrary figure of speech.
The Control was on both sides. Fat guy called it interesting.
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Old 2017-08-21, 19:26   Link #250
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Anyway, the staff commentary gives some more details into Princess' financial situation. I posted it in my previous post.
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Old 2017-08-21, 19:32   Link #251
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Anyway, the staff commentary gives some more details into Princess' financial situation. I posted it in my previous post.
4th in line means she gets the scraps?
lol Pauper Princess. Not really but yeah. Hmm 10 million yen? That's what in USD.
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Old 2017-08-21, 19:36   Link #252
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So we have a Japanese anime set in Victorian England, based on a setting from a book written by a Frenchman about a fictitious United States?

Very convoluted.
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Old 2017-08-21, 20:09   Link #253
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Wonder why they bothered making the girls spies when they barely try to keep a low profile.
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Old 2017-08-21, 21:03   Link #254
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Wonder why they bothered making the girls spies when they barely try to keep a low profile.
Like I said before, it's a case by case scenario. Generally they actually have been keeping a low profile. Chise made a mistake by lagging a bit to much fighting Gas Jack but Marilla doesn't seem like one to squeal. We don't know her loyalties. For all we know Gas Jack could have just intruded upon seeing a Japanese girl so chalk it up to be a fanatical racist.

Episode 1 they kept themselves pretty well hidden, so much that the Duke of Normandy used Eric to fake defect to get them out of hiding. Chise and Dorothy might have gotten their faces exposed to the guy and girl in the room but odds are those people got silenced.

Nothing happened in Episode 2.

Episode 3 All witnesses are dead. Dorothy is unanimous as she came with Princess so she's chalked up to being a friend.

Episode 4 Again those parties are under Commonwealth control probably therefore not able to talk.

Episode 5 doesn't matter.

Episode 6 Nothing really happened either. But the Lady who killed Danny got a hint about his Daughter but no face.

Loan Shark doesn't matter either.
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Old 2017-08-21, 22:03   Link #255
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I don't think that with the remaining episodes they can resolve the deal with the Duke, and a lot less the war, opossite case this would drop to Izetta levels of shit.
Better Izetta than Kabaneri. For all the faults of the former at least it's plot keep it's focus and had a more convincing advancement towards it's goals of it's large-scale story better than Princess Principal so far.

If this simply billed itself as vignettes about spy activity like Joker Game which didn't bother with any pretense of a plot I wouldn't mind. But it didn't and rather than the Princess and Ange doing any actually subversive actions towards their goals, they have mostly just been playing hatchetwomen straightforwardly while having a ball of time. Well until an convenient plot point allows them to achieve the Princess' ambitions instead of her intentional setting it up herself and having the viewers see it. I hope this changes in the next episode personally and things start moving again.

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So... the Princess now owns her own business, which is making a profit that she can call upon without needing either Crown funds or Commonwealth support and whose employees will be fanatically devoted to her should she ever need to call upon them.

I'm sorry, I don't quite follow the complaints of this being irrelevent to the larger plot, given how much she just advanced her cause without anyone noticing.
All well and good, but again it but would just another convenient plot device that Princess never actually planned for... which is very much like this writer to do sadly. It's not really interesting way to go about things and makes harder to take her lofty motivation seriously. It's just another example of show of wanting to have it's cake and eat it too. Not to get me wrong I like this show's style and the characters are intriguing enough, but that execution doesn't feel all there. I also don't have much goodwill towards Okouchi anymore so I won't be surprised if this ends a hackneyed fashion as most of the shows he's written for nowadays.

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Old 2017-08-21, 22:42   Link #256
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Princess didn't say she doesn't have funds. She just doesn't have a lot to waste. That's why she said there was no problem because she was planing in turning the laundry into a profitable business.

It's still her money though. It was confirmed by the staff on twitter.

Spoiler for interview:
Oh ho? Interesting tidbits of info there. Tyvm ^^

The scene in particular with Beatrice tuning up the old machinery surprised me at first, but then I remembered her horrible father being ... err ... quite the machinist. Maybe she picked up some knowledge or it runs in her veins or something similar?
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Old 2017-08-22, 08:51   Link #257
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Oh ho? Interesting tidbits of info there. Tyvm ^^

The scene in particular with Beatrice tuning up the old machinery surprised me at first, but then I remembered her horrible father being ... err ... quite the machinist. Maybe she picked up some knowledge or it runs in her veins or something similar?
I wouldn't be surprised if her veins were literally machines.
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Old 2017-08-22, 15:00   Link #258
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Oh ho? Interesting tidbits of info there. Tyvm ^^

The scene in particular with Beatrice tuning up the old machinery surprised me at first, but then I remembered her horrible father being ... err ... quite the machinist. Maybe she picked up some knowledge or it runs in her veins or something similar?
Runs in her veins, literally...
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Old 2017-08-22, 15:07   Link #259
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She's had to learn enough to keep her own cybernetics in working order, after all...
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Old 2017-08-22, 15:38   Link #260
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Yes the adorable little shit is a mech geek probably.
It's to be expected tbh.

I was actually thinking how all the girls would be like when they got older and Beatrice would be the fiery red head who has a mechanical arm whose trigger happy too lolz. I could add more but lolz it's more of a headcanon/fiction.
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