2010-06-25, 16:09 | Link #11601 | |||
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Also, remember, Devil's Proof means that you can't disprove what I say. The only thing that can trump a Devil's Proof is a proof that what I claim can't happen. Devil's proof is simply "You can't disprove the existence of the Devil. Therefore, under Devil's Proof, the devil exists because you can't prove otherwise." Until you can disprove that what I say isn't true, then what I say stands as its own truth |
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2010-06-25, 16:11 | Link #11602 | |
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You can't actually say this in red anymore. It's been pointed out before in this thread that if Erika doesn't exist AND Shkanon is true, there is room for one more person on the island.
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This allows Eva-Beatrice to declare this person as deceased in red. Most people agree that this person has to be Kyrie. The TIPS even point out that stomach wounds aren't very fatal. |
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2010-06-25, 16:12 | Link #11603 |
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Battler says in episode 5 that "the murders are really easy mysteries to solve". So it's probably better to look at character and motive than how the murders were done. By this point you should know what theories work to solve the closed rooms and the murders and what doesn't. If you don't know what those are you need to reread the game.
It was said that therefore person X does not exist In red. I'm not pulling it out of nowhere. You can make theories like that if you want, but I think your barking up the wrong tree. We're aiming to get less suspects not add more in. I think Battler has given up on this reasoning also.
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2010-06-25, 16:15 | Link #11604 |
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I suppose Shkannon does allow a Person X (even with Erika... after all, she raises the amount of people on the island by one). On the other hand, this Person X can't be the culprit unless they're Ange(?), Asumu(??) or some other person who's namedropped right at the start :/.
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2010-06-25, 16:15 | Link #11605 |
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They never told Ange either, because everyone provably hates her and enjoys hearing that she's sick and ignores her absence. After having been traumatized several years in a row by the murder "games," Ange formed a mental block that was solidified by the real incident. Eva would have brought it up, but she was so traumatized herself that she refused to speak on it again.
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2010-06-25, 16:20 | Link #11607 | |||
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2010-06-25, 16:25 | Link #11610 | |
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it could also be Kinzo's buddies at the GHQ though too.
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2010-06-25, 16:30 | Link #11612 | |
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Then again... I don't think Okonogitrice has ever been thought of yet, and he is surely knowledgeable about the 'love' without which it cannot be seen.
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2010-06-25, 16:31 | Link #11613 | |
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In any case, how about this nonsense? This current game, i.e. all of its events before, during, and after, occur in a unique universe. i.e. Because "Rokkenjima" does not exist in our world, and it is NOT an island in the real Izu archipelago that we know in the real world, real world things outside of what is said in the novel (i.e. property taxes, inheritance taxes) do not apply to the current game. Unless 07 or a narration in the book supports your 70% tax theory in ANY color, you can not bring that the tax rate is 70% or that it even exists as a fact. You can't prove that the tax rate is, but I can't prove that it isn't. You can claim the tax rate is 70%, but I can also claim that tax doesn't matter. Both situations exists simply as a Braun Tube or Schrodinger's Cat. |
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2010-06-25, 16:36 | Link #11614 | ||
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2010-06-25, 16:44 | Link #11615 | |
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and B) Eva pulls the trigger instinctively when Jessica attempts to attack her near the end of the third book. She then tries to pass it off as instinct and she didn't know why she did it. That in itself is a hint the Eva, and potentially anyone on the island, can shoot without confirming the exact context of the situation. Unexpected double homocide can still stand. Embezzlement laws do not equal inheritance laws. Inheritance laws are still ungoverned in the narration. |
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2010-06-25, 16:45 | Link #11616 | |||
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2010-06-25, 16:46 | Link #11617 | |
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The rest are said in red and therefore apply.
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2010-06-25, 16:52 | Link #11618 |
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I gave my Eva hint, did you read it? Are you going to say that it's not a hint that Eva, and potentially any human being on the island, doesn't shoot on instinct without fully understanding the context of the situation?
Also. Kinzo uses an epitaph and everyone assumes it's a will/rules for the headship. How would that in any way legal in our world or Japan for that matter? So far in the narration it is ASSUMED that Kinzo is using the epitaph to choose the next head. There is no legal document that has been stated anywhere in the novels that "He who solves the epitaph shall be the inheritor of my fortune and successor to the headship. Signed Ushiromiya Kinzo." The existence of the epitaph and the assumption that the person who solves the epitaph would become the new successor and inheritor of the fortune is hint enough that inheritance laws are slightly different in the Rokkenjima world then our real world. Therefore we can NOT assume that all of our laws are the same as gameboard laws. |
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2010-06-25, 17:03 | Link #11620 | |
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It is possible, for example, to sign a contract of arbitrary complexity, which requires the person Kinzo hands shares off to sell them to a third party for a nominal sum if certain conditions are met. I'd need a lot of research in a paper library to say if that would be legal, but I suspect it could be. Simply trusting the person to do what Kinzo wants with those shares is easier. You know, refusing to listen to what your opponent says does not actually win you an argument, someone must have tricked you when they told you it does.
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